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Invisiblethe_Landotter
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Re: Enlightenment: BOR-RING [Re: ]
    #704662 - 06/27/02 07:48 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Given the definition I made above, I would have to say, for myself, that yes I feel myself to be enlightened. Things are clear, I feel free, my mind is my own. It may not be your particular brand of enlightenment ... in fact, it's a safe bet that it isn't and probably never would be, but it's mine and it works for me. Nuff said.

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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Enlightenment: BOR-RING [Re: the_Landotter]
    #704737 - 06/27/02 08:36 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Then there's good ol Jim Morrisons take on it:
"Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, pretty good, pretty good, pretty neat, pretty neat. All right!"


JM, one of the great (bloated, alcoholic, pedophilic, out-of-control) Masters of all time. Thus he spake to his disicples showing them their ignorance:

I'm your back-door man!
Yeah, I'm your baaaaack-door man!
You don't know
What the little girls understand.





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Invisiblethe_Landotter
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Re: Enlightenment: BOR-RING [Re: Swami]
    #704762 - 06/27/02 08:47 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Dagon's Teeth! Swami, you say you're from California? You sound more like a native Australian. They hate JM in Australia for those exact reasons. I like JM (musically) and yet, I love Australians, as many and as often as possible. It seems I am human, otherwise how could I encompass this apparent contradiction? Whereas you appear to be a one-track/trick pony ... no offense, mind. Loosen up!


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Enlightenment: BOR-RING [Re: the_Landotter]
    #704818 - 06/27/02 09:02 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Huh? Where did I say that I didn't like JM and the Doors? Just don't believe his self-destructive ways were indicative of any real grasp of life.

Gee, always thought I was multi-dimensional. What is my one trick?


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InvisibleSclorch
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Enlightenment: Wow, I wish I were there!! [Re: Swami]
    #704939 - 06/27/02 10:00 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Typingwords: enlightenment is not boring.
I think you've put too much emphasis on my sarcastic and somewhat polemical subject heading.

In my post, I said: "I hope I'm never complete. I hope I never have the 'ultimate perspective'. God damn that would be so fucking boring!!"

First of all, you've obviously never been enlightened so you don't even know what you're talking about....
I never claimed I was or have been enlightened... I just stated my mind. "Never been"- does this mean you can reach enlightenment and then REGRESS? Now enlightenment really sounds like hooey.

you're the only one who's missing out on everything because your'e not experiencing it with a full awareness
Have we met or something? I just don't see how you could get a grasp on who I am through a couple of my posts (I know you haven't read but a few of them).

the Landotter: Ya might wanna slap a capital on the "be" there. Just Be. There, that's better.
Actually, I'd rather slap a "becoming" over that "be".

evolving: Are you enlightened? Do you speak from first hand knowledge?
Well of course they're enlightened, duh. They've been posting on the spiritweb for like 6 months... geez.

Swami: Gee, always thought I was multi-dimensional. What is my one trick?
Isn't it obvious Swami? You're just a nay-saying, asshole skeptic! All you do is put down all the "enlightened" people around here. Geez, why can't you just leave them alone and let them be gods for awhile? You friggin' jerk. hehehe


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Invisiblethe_Landotter
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Re: Enlightenment: BOR-RING [Re: Swami]
    #705001 - 06/27/02 10:26 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

>Huh? Where did I say that I didn't like JM and the Doors?

No where, dude! I was talkin' bout Australians! I said you sounded like them re:JM, but nowhere did I indicate for what reasons. Natch.

>Gee, always thought I was multi-dimensional. What is my one trick?

Well, apparently, it's spending all day in front of the computer haha! Just kidding guy, I envy you ... my vacation is over as of next week and soon I'll be gone from here. I haven't been posting here long but I wanna let you know that I appreciate the iron-clad scepticism you bring to this forum, it's just that (at least for me) I'd like to hear a little more from you in the way of your actual beliefs/convictions. It's dead easy to define yourself by drawing battle lines and showing how delusional everyone else is, quite another thing to strike out for yourself and find your own knowledge.

I see someone like Shroomism posting here and, though I don't necessarily agree with ALL he has to say (or at least I don't agree with all his interpretations), I am glad that he has the balls to put what he believes out there.

Me, I'm an atheist of the Copenhagen Interpretation sort. Belief is a tool, not an end in itself.

Break On Thru, My American Bro!


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Invisiblethe_Landotter
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Re: Enlightenment: Wow, I wish I were there!! [Re: Sclorch]
    #705019 - 06/27/02 10:32 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

>Actually, I'd rather slap a "becoming" over that "be".

Yeah! "Just Be Coming!" Over and over and over and over. I see a new field opening up in new-age self-realization porno! Thanks Sclorch! That IS what you meant, right?



>They've been posting on the spiritweb for like 6 months... geez.

What the hell is the spiritweb?


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Invisiblethe_Landotter
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Re: Enlightenment: The fast Way. [Re: Nomad]
    #705050 - 06/27/02 10:42 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

>Except, of course, when on drugs. While tripping, it is
>surprisingly easy to get sucked into just aboutanything.
>So maybe that's it. Just sitting cross-legged and
>bemushroomed under a Bodhi-tree, merging with the universe.
>Is it that?

"In the 60s you had your Timothy Learys and what's his name? "Cuckoo's Nest." Kesey. All those guys. They were at the wheel, they could see the road ahead, right? They told us all we had to do was get fucked up on LSD and we'd all turn into super-people and build the promised land out of rainbows and flowers. Shit. I FELL for that shit. Black light posters. I really thought we were changing the world. It actually felt for a moment that we were actually gonna WIN, man. When I finally came down it was 1985. Shit. From free love to safe sex, huh? Whatever happened to the revolution?"

"What did that arsehole have to say for himself? I understood only a little."

"He was talking about revolutions. Or THE REVOLUTION. I suppose there only is ever one. I think he felt let down by his driving instructors. He thought he just had to sit back in his seat and be TAKEN everywhere. He didn't realize they were just showing him what to do..."

- Bondage Guy, the Marquis de Sade and King Mob in conversation
from the Invisibles comic series by Grant Morrison


Sorry folks, I REALLY like the Invisibles! So applicable!


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Enlightenment: Wow, I wish I were there!! [Re: Sclorch]
    #705315 - 06/27/02 12:30 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

the Landotter: Ya might wanna slap a capital on the "be" there. Just Be. There, that's better.
Schlorch: Actually, I'd rather slap a "becoming" over that "be".

I would rather just slap the the both of yooze.

Well of course they're enlightened, duh. They've been posting on the spiritweb for like 6 months... geez.
Kewl! Two more months and I will finally discover the truth.

Swami: Gee, always thought I was multi-dimensional. What is my one trick?
Isn't it obvious Swami? You're just a nay-saying, asshole skeptic!

Yes, but a MULTI_DIMENSIONAL nay-saying, asshole skeptic!

All you do is put down all the "enlightened" people around here. Geez, why can't you just leave them alone and let them be gods for awhile?
Because the gods live for attention from humans.


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Enlightenment: The fast Way. [Re: the_Landotter]
    #705361 - 06/27/02 12:45 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

In the 60s you had your Timothy Learys and what's his name? "Cuckoo's Nest." Kesey. All those guys. They were at the wheel, they could see the road ahead, right? They told us all we had to do was get fucked up on LSD and we'd all turn into super-people and build the promised land out of rainbows and flowers.
They also told us to rebel against authority, not to latch on to a New, Improved authority.

Shit. I FELL for that shit. Black light posters. I really thought we were changing the world. It actually felt for a moment that we were actually gonna WIN, man.
We would have made it, but for the few with the black light posters who held us back. Their attachment to eye candy kept us grounded on the material plane and we never achieved critical mass. Damn you, black lighters! Damn you all to hell! *in his best young Charleton Heston impression*

When I finally came down it was 1985. Shit. From free love to safe sex, huh? Whatever happened to the revolution?"
Hip huggers and tie dyes are back. We have the New VW Beetle. The wheel has turned. We have one more chance to do it right! *Grabs a foxy hippy chick, some liquid, a little bud, a Phil Lesh CD and heads out to Burning Man...*


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Re: Enlightenment: The fast Way. [Re: Swami]
    #705450 - 06/27/02 01:11 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

After reading through this thread I've decided to decree myself, "enlightened." With that in mind, here's a poll to find out how many more shroomerites are enlightened...


Are you enlightened?
I'm enlightened because while on a shrooms I came to understand everything in the universe
I'm enlightened because I follow the Bible
I'm enlightened and also the product of a virgin birth
I'm enlightened because I follow the Koran
I've been enlightened by telepathic communication with a superior alien race
Yes, it happened after I read the book "Enlightenment for Dummies"
No
Yes, I think so... uh, oh maybe not. How would I know?
I want no part of this bullcrap, Sclorch is the only truly enlightened one because he doesn't want to be



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Invisiblethe_Landotter
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Re: Enlightenment: The fast Way. [Re: Swami]
    #705465 - 06/27/02 01:20 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

>They also told us to rebel against authority, not to latch on to a New, Improved authority.

Well, that's just the point I was trying to make.

>We would have made it, but for the few with the black light posters who held us back.

Again, my point.

>Hip huggers and tie dyes are back. We have the New VW Beetle. The wheel has turned.

The wheel has NOT turned, at least as far as the evidence presented here shows. Fashions are not indicative of change and don't get me started on that damn "New Beetle". Crap. That car right there is "the revolution" re-packaged, obscenely marked up and re-sold to the people who never had a clue what the original car was about - efficiency, affordability and fun! Oh the fun is still there but it's FUN? licensed by VW and by gGod you're going to pay for it! Jeez, they even give you your own PLASTIC FLOWER to put in the little vase on the dash! Is it just me or is that the height of ridiculous?!



I drive a 2 door 83 Subaru GL with power everything, AC, 4WD, moon roof... the works. I bought the fucker last year for $300 (Canadian!) and spent about $500 fixing it up. I then painted it in greyscale "digital urban" camouflage (original grey base colour with black, light grey, silver, and white panels) and tricked it out fully. It goes like the proverbial bat out o hell and I can't seem to kill it. So the gGoddamn New Beetle (and all the other car manufacturers who force low-grade morons to buy a new piece of redundant crap every other year) can kiss my completely original, authentic, highly individualised personal rear bumper, thank you very much.

Wa-a-a-y OFF TOPIC!


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Enlightenment: The fast Way. [Re: the_Landotter]
    #705492 - 06/27/02 01:35 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

So the gGoddamn New Beetle (and all the other car manufacturers who force low-grade morons to buy a new piece of redundant crap every other year) can kiss my completely original, authentic, highly individualised personal rear bumper, thank you very much.

Ooh, ooh! Methinks I struck a nerve. Nurse! More novocaine! Better yet, take two MDMA and call me in the morning.

OK, so the revolution passed you by and you didn't "get it". No Biggee. On second thought, you blew the once in a millenium chance to shed your societal skin. Dude, you f***** up!

Hmmmm, let's see. The next scheduled Love-In is in 3018, make your reservations early.



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Invisiblethe_Landotter
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Re: Enlightenment: The fast Way. [Re: Swami]
    #705743 - 06/27/02 03:42 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

>OK, so the revolution passed you by and you didn't "get it". No Biggee. On second thought, you blew the once in a millenium chance to shed your societal skin. Dude, you f***** up!
Hmmmm, let's see. The next scheduled Love-In is in 3018, make your reservations early.

What the hell? Excuse me, but what does this "reply" have to do with anything I said?
Missed the revolution? Didn't get it? Huh?

Swami, I make my own revolutions. I shed my societal skin once a month and sell it
on eBay at huge profits. And oh gosh, I have a strong opinion on something in the
real world (ie. car manufacturers) so yeah, a nerve got struck. Ouch. I am stinging here.
Really.

Like I said before, I've only been posting here a short while but I've yet to see anything
close to an actual belief or opinion that YOU hold. Let's have it. Or are you worried
that it'll get torn apart? Take your own medicine, Doc.


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Re: Enlightenment: The fast Way. [Re: the_Landotter]
    #706083 - 06/27/02 06:25 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Belief, hmmm...

"Don't believe anything. Regard things on a scale of probabilities.
The things that seem most absurd, put under 'Low Probability', and
the things that seem most plausible, you put under 'High Probability'.
Never believe anything. Once you believe anything, you stop thinking
about it. The more things you believe, the less mental activity. If
you believe something, and have an opinion on every subject, then
your brain activity stops entirely, which is clinically considered a
sign of death, nowadays in medical practice. So put things on a scale
or probability, and never believe or disbelieve anything entirely."
-- Robert Anton Wilson


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InvisibleSclorch
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Re: Enlightenment: The fast Way. [Re: the_Landotter]
    #706086 - 06/27/02 06:26 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Like I said before, I've only been posting here a short while but I've yet to see anything close to an actual belief or opinion that YOU hold.

So... now we gotta have beliefs to be able to post here?
Sheeeeyit! I done fo-got mine back in muh truck. Durn it!

Perhaps you've misidentified the Swami as someone who is so insecure with their own beliefs that they must display them on a regular basis so as to gain the approval of others in order to feel more confident about those beliefs. So, chief, if you read between the lines I'm sure one day you'll come to know his "beliefs". I'll keep my fingers crossed for ya.


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Re: Enlightenment: The fast Way. [Re: Nomad]
    #706828 - 06/28/02 12:02 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

In reply to:



Someone who is enlightened wouldn't refer to himself as enlightened. But why should we act like someone who is
enlightened? What is the point of faking something?




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Re: Enlightenment: The fast Way. [Re: Nomad]
    #706834 - 06/28/02 12:05 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

In reply to:

I think that my intellectual understanding of enlightenment is quite good.




This alone should hinder you nicely!


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Re: Enlightenment: The fast Way. [Re: Sclorch]
    #706840 - 06/28/02 12:09 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

In reply to:

I think of enlightenment as having achieved a state of consciousness that does not have worry over the material
world, and focuses on the spiritual.




Or is that death?


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Re: Enlightenment: BOR-RING [Re: Typingwords]
    #706845 - 06/28/02 12:15 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

In reply to:

enlightenment is not boring. First of all, you've obviously never been enlightened so you don't even know what you're
talking about....




I mean this in the nicest way, but how many times have YOU been enlightened? Its not obvious. How can you know more about what another person is talking about than they do?

Thats the pot calling the pot a pot on pot.


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