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Man refuses to go to Iraq: Poll
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alright.. well this has got me pretty heated.. and it was split pretty much 50/50 last night.

here are some quick details along with a link to the actual site, the guy enlists in the army after we invade iraq, now he is getting called to go over there and serve and decides that he believes the war is "illegal" and refuses to go
What do you think of this guy?
You may choose only one


Votes accepted from 01/04/07 02:02 PM until the end of time
You must vote before you can view the results of this poll



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Re: Man refuses to go to Iraq: Poll [Re: Banez]
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btw.. heres the link to the actual news article.

http://hotzone.yahoo.com/b/hotzone/blogs19056


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Re: Man refuses to go to Iraq: Poll [Re: Banez]
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Don't sign up for a job you won't do...the dude is a dope and should be ashamed of himself


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Re: Man refuses to go to Iraq: Poll [Re: DrunkenAttempt]
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its still pretty close to 50/50


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Re: Man refuses to go to Iraq: Poll [Re: Banez]
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I voted for the second one


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Re: Man refuses to go to Iraq: Poll [Re: Banez]
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Banez said:
its still pretty close to 50/50


I guess only 50% of the people here have a brain  :wink:  :wink:


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Re: Man refuses to go to Iraq: Poll [Re: DrunkenAttempt]
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maybe the rest were just stoned when they voted?


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Re: Man refuses to go to Iraq: Poll [Re: Banez]
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well, the only thing is he did offer to go to Afghanistan and even offered a resignation which was rejected. I can understand is willingness not to go to Iraq, but he did join after the war was underway.

I'm conflicted. I think he may be used now a political pawn more than anything else. I think if he honorably serves time for it (maybe not 6 -7 years) then there is nothing wrong with it. If he honestly is just serving for the free education/career then I don't know. I'm ambivalent and thats why I was a write in.


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Re: Man refuses to go to Iraq: Poll [Re: Banez]
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The Iraq campaign is going south worse and worse as the weeks pass, so I believe it possible that he changed his mind.

If you have to die in a war, pick one that has meaning.


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Re: Man refuses to go to Iraq: Poll [Re: Asante]
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Depends on whether the guy truly believes the war is illegal,, the job he signed up for was not to fight illegal wars.

Question is would he go to a different war if he believed in it,, if he would then i say him refusing to go to iraq is acceptable.

We will never know,,  :smile:.

Edit: General comment.

Edited by Mike_yy (01/04/07 03:51 PM)

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Re: Man refuses to go to Iraq: Poll [Re: Asante]
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Bush is sending more troops very soon(20,000 - 40,000 more) winthin the month to escalate the war some more...i think he wants to get as much conflict and damage done possible before the end of his term :frown:

Hey, where are those weapons of mass destruction at? the whole reason this war started in the first place...fuck i feel ashamed for the human race.


"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush is likely to send anywhere from 20,000 to 40,000 additional troops to Iraq as part of his yet-to-be-announced new Iraq strategy, sources with knowledge of his deliberations told CNN Wednesday.

Bush is expected to address the nation on the new strategy early next week, sources have said.

The president has not yet signed off on any changes, including a possible increase of U.S. troops, according to the sources.

But he is "driving toward a conclusion" and a plan is "taking shape" and "getting more detailed" as the president puts "on the finer points," they said.

National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe denied a report Tuesday that Bush was ready to sign off on increasing troop strength in Iraq by 20,000.

"The president has not made any decisions," the spokesman said.

Asked about the possible troop increase Wednesday, White House spokesman Tony Snow said Bush is "moving toward what he thinks is going to be the appropriate complex of policies to get that done."

"When the president announces the way forward, he will provide answers to a lot of questions that I'm not going to," Snow said. (Watch what the president is doing to prepare his plan Video)

Earlier Wednesday, a U.S. military spokesman said that by year's end, all 11 Iraqi divisions will be operating independently, and that the U.S. military and multinational forces will be present only as a "support mechanism."

"By summertime, we hope to have ensured all Iraqi army decisions are being made by Iraqi ground forces command," Maj. Gen. William Caldwell said at a Baghdad news conference.

Last month, CNN reported that Bush was considering sending in as many as 30,000 to 40,000 troops to escalate the war, increasing troop levels to their highest point in the nearly four-year-old conflict. That would mean there could be as many as 165,000 troops in Iraq.

Other reports indicated the U.S. troop increase would be closer to 20,000, with additional Iraqi forces making up the remainder of the "surge."

A senior administration official involved in the Iraq strategy talks told CNN that a "targeted increase in troop strength" is "an active subject of discussion" and that the president was "significantly along in the process."

As a result, the official added, it should "surprise no one the Pentagon is looking at the mechanics of making that option possible."

Meanwhile, there are several steps Bush is likely to take before announcing any tactical changes in his policy on the Iraq war, administration officials said -- including consultations with Congress and the Iraqi government.

The president met Wednesday with his Cabinet to discuss the new Congress and domestic issues. (Watch how poll respondents feel about the Democrats agenda Video)

Wednesday night, Bush was host at the White House for what a spokesman called "a bicameral, bipartisan reception with approximately a dozen members of Congress and their spouses."

Administration officials told CNN that Democratic and Republican leadership of the House and Senate were invited to the reception.

During the party, Bush planned to hold "informal discussions about the year ahead," including his deliberations on Iraq.

However, a senior administration official noted the reception is more of a "social occasion."

The White House will place courtesy calls to members of Congress when Bush comes up with his final Iraq plan, the official said.

Those calls will go out "within a couple of days" before Bush addresses the nation.

Bush has not yet briefed Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki on his plan, but is expected to do so before the address.

Administration officials have stressed, however, that they remain in "constant" contact with Iraqi officials."


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Re: Man refuses to go to Iraq: Poll [Re: DrunkenAttempt]
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The thing is, Bush will most probbly eventually have his "victory" in Iraq, simply by annihilating all opposition, not by them embracing him.
Every country in the world would want what I have to offer too, if I killed everyone who didn't.

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Re: Man refuses to go to Iraq: Poll [Re: Disco Cat]
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Sometimes if I'm wrong and I know it, I drive the point just a little further hoping to get away with it.

But thats with trivia. Bush is doing the same, but sacrifices thousands of human lives as if it means nothing to him.

And I think it means nothing to him. If we don't bother him about the dead, they're no burden to him too.


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Re: Man refuses to go to Iraq: Poll [Re: Asante]
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The guy did the right thing. The American government has become an authoritarian leadership, there is no other way to take back your democracy than to disobey the leadership.

Phone taps? Warrantless mail searches? Legal torture?

Welcome to Nazi Germany with a mask.


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Re: Man refuses to go to Iraq: Poll [Re: Banez]
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I think we've all been cheated. We went to war to remove a threat only to find out there was no threat. While I agree with his position, the war was started over shady intelligence (lies), refusing orders do nothing for his cause. The reason being is that we're not looking for WMD's anymore. The reason we started the war may have been illegal. But now, we're establishing a new Iraqi government to replace the one we destroyed. To keep the conflict from escalating further. If we leave them high and dry we will have many more problems and justified reasons to defend our constitution. Our soldiers are doing exactly that. Why isn't he?

(Note: My position changed after I voted. The war has changed for our soldiers. The goals now are focused on damage control in lieu of removing WMD's. I voted for -good, this guy did the right thing.- I should've gone with #2)

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Re: Man refuses to go to Iraq: Poll [Re: ExplosiveMango]
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ExplosiveMango said:
The guy did the right thing.


Far fucking from it. He should have not been so gung-ho to join the military. He should have waited a year or so to see how justified this "war" was.

Once you raise your hand and give an oath to serve your country, you have an obligation to follow orders or be sent to prison. Which is where this guy should be IMO.

Crying "foul" now makes him look like a pussy.

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The American government has become an authoritarian leadership, there is no other way to take back your democracy than to disobey the leadership.

Phone taps? Warrantless mail searches? Legal torture?

Welcome to Nazi Germany with a mask.


Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.


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Re: Man refuses to go to Iraq: Poll [Re: niteowl]
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Hardly. The government should no longer be obeyed until it can obey the people.

You're living under the next Hitler, only this one is decentralized, spread between a handful of individuals.

No obedience to this monster is irrelevant to anyone's freedom of choice.


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Edited by ExplosiveMango (01/04/07 06:36 PM)

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Re: Man refuses to go to Iraq: Poll [Re: ExplosiveMango]
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True, government forgets who they work for, and the people they work for forget that they're the boss.

Fire the sonofabitch.

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Re: Man refuses to go to Iraq: Poll [Re: Banez]
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This poll just shows how divided things truly are. Even amongst mushroom afficianados.

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Re: Man refuses to go to Iraq: Poll [Re: adrug]
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Yeah, it's always a hard choice between justice and power.
Such is humanity.


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