DontFearThePeepr said:

Enlil said:

ballsalsa said:

Imagine literally creating the conditions that are killing people and then calling it natural selection.

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That's what it is, though.  Selection by human conduct is still natural.

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While I agree with you here to an extent, I'm not inclined to think that this type of setup is "natural". I don't think this world has ever provided us with our natural state of being. I think it's taken a very long time to condition us into the way that we are now, and at the current moment we're standing at a precipice of whether we'll actually be able to evolve into the future or self-destruct in our collective ignorance. Failure here wouldn't exactly mean the end of society but it would be a major setback in our potential and progress as a species. The ultimate point of a movement like this is to cause as much suffering as it can, like it's sort of feeding itself that way...

Just my opinion anyways

I am, of course, open to discussion lol.

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ballsalsa said:

He's being literal.  Humans are natural, therefore human behavior is natural.  However, for the purpose of this topic there has long been a distinction made between natural selection and artificial selection by human preference

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Enlil said:

DontFearThePeepr said:

Enlil said:

ballsalsa said:

Imagine literally creating the conditions that are killing people and then calling it natural selection.

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That's what it is, though.  Selection by human conduct is still natural.

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While I agree with you here to an extent, I'm not inclined to think that this type of setup is "natural". I don't think this world has ever provided us with our natural state of being. I think it's taken a very long time to condition us into the way that we are now, and at the current moment we're standing at a precipice of whether we'll actually be able to evolve into the future or self-destruct in our collective ignorance. Failure here wouldn't exactly mean the end of society but it would be a major setback in our potential and progress as a species. The ultimate point of a movement like this is to cause as much suffering as it can, like it's sort of feeding itself that way...

Just my opinion anyways

I am, of course, open to discussion lol.

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Conditioning is natural.  Humans are a part of nature, too.

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The Ecstatic said:

Weird to base a worldview on entropy.

Eventually, the heat death of the universe will cease existence of material reality.

So let’s build a society that accelerates that process? No.


*sitting comfortably because centuries of death and destruction caused the dice to land my way for a short moment in time*

“Hey man sometimes genocide is good. It’s natural.”

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The notion that somehow these things exist outside of nature is hubris.

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It's also naive af to think that self-destruction is in any way an exclusively human trait.

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I brew wine and meads, I know damn well that that there are plenty of organisms that self destruct . But it's hard to prove that there were organisms that self destructed to the point of self extinction.

But natural selection implies that there would be some kind of genetic mutation. Or certain traits that would become dominant which doesn't happen with genocides or holocausts. The only human historic event that I see fit as natural selection would be the plunderings and rapes of Genghis Khan.
Edit: well there will be more like the crusades etc for exam0le Khan was the first one to jump to mind

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So let’s build a society that accelerates that process?

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Dekozn said:

I feel you're talking next to the points I made. And it looks like you're putting words in my mouth.

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ballsalsa said:

Yes, AI says things.

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It's not AI induced psychosis. I will not recant. The things which we humans romanticize can be rendered into information and judged according to mathematical laws.

Mildly weird when it asked me for suggestions.