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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
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Just ran 9 qts of oats in my Presto 23qt plus 1 qt in a Ninja. Most of the jars are good with a few a little dry. I now mostly use plastic lids which don't seal when laid sideways, which is a problem with so much liquid for the tek. The solution is the Tattler rubber rings, which need to be carefully put on. Took me a couple of try to get no leaks. Previously I measured by volume, which is less than accurate. I now use a kitchen scale with better results. For oats it's 194 g/ml=1 1/3 cup. So I zero out my qt jar, add 194grams of oats and then the 175 g/ml of water to come to a grand total of 369 grams per qt YMMV. Also, as previously mentioned, letting your PC gradually heat up should result in less gunk on the bottom of the jars.:thumbup:


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: MoJim]
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Very cool MoJim, I haven't seen people run jars on their sides successfully so, great job!


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
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I only do qts laid on their side for the top two in a 23qt presto or my Ninja which is too short for pint or qts standing upright. Jars will leak with the plastic lid or the metal 2pc if the inner is inverted.

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: MoJim] * 1
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Think I have been prepping my grains too dry recently.

Decided to give this a go & mannnnnnn these came out perfect. Eight 1/4-pints of millet, myc is gonna much the shizzle out of these.

Thank you again, Yoshi! I truly appreciate this chart.

Also that tip about medium+ heat to temp also worked great!



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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: MurphSmurf] * 1
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Thank you Murph, good luck!


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
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low prep tek worked great on rye in quarts for me.  Thanks!  I smash them on a bike tire to break up the wet ones on the bottom and assist initial shake.  1st proper shake = no shake later for me. 

I tipped the tightened unmodified dark gray leak proof regular plastic lids on side during pc cycle. Held water and it worked!  After knock up I leave lid way loose and parafilm shut.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
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That is awesome to hear WTF, thank you for the update, good luck!


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: wtfcrazymofo] * 1
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wtfcrazymofo said:
low prep tek worked great on rye in quarts for me.  Thanks!  I smash them on a bike tire to break up the wet ones on the bottom and assist initial shake.  1st proper shake = no shake later for me. 

I tipped the tightened unmodified dark gray leak proof regular plastic lids on side during pc cycle. Held water and it worked!  After knock up I leave lid way loose and parafilm shut.


The dark grey plastic lids, which are PPE5, certainly are an improvement over the white ones. The white ones tend to warp a little after a few cycles. I have both as well as the two piece metal. Eventually I'll toss some lids and end up with the grey PPE5 lids only. I used gaskets on the whites, will certainly try the greys, gasket-less on my next PC cycle.

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: MoJim] * 1
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Just ran 4 bags with this tek for the first time. Two bags I pre-sealed and two unsealed. Using a Foodsaver to seal, works great! Overall pretty good results, a bit mushy on the bottom and dry on the top. Not much difference between the sealed and unsealed. Mixing the grains should even things out a bit. Since I'm using 5-10ml of LC, the dry grains on top will get some extra moisture. This tek is so much easier than trying to cook this volume of grains. Thanks Yoshi!!

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: MoJim] * 1
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Side note: I had two qts laying on their side on top of the bags. One white lid with a gasket and a dark grey without. The Ball lids are stamped "leak proof" and hold up well even sideways. I try to have my SFD's up when laid sideways to prevent leaks through the filter. New lids will be drilled with the filter hole off center. I'm also thinking on the next run, I'll let the grains soak up some of the water before PCing. Maybe a little experiment with a one hr soak vs overnight. Why not:smirk:

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: MoJim]
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Nice job MoJim and thank you for the sealed vs unsealed comparison!

I do a lot of cult work late at night. Sometimes I'll mix the grain/water and let the jars or bags sit overnight in the PC. Then, I'll turn on the fire first thing in the morning, works just fine!


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Low Prep the World! (agar plates)
Low Prep the World! (grain prep)
Trashcan FC
Acidulated extraction gummies and drops
Drying agar and grains using parchment paper
:leaf:Cleaning your bubble hash bags


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 2
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Last 2 times I have gotten it down pretty well. Here is last time with PP oats. Ended up zeroing in on exactly what Yoshi posted 200g oats and 175 water. Not sure if my oats are starting to dry out in bag but 200g oats currently is about 1 1/2 cups. So I just weight it out now every time.

This is after shaking the puck loose and all mixed up nice.

Thanks Yoshi!


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: Stroms] * 2
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I'm still dialing in ratios for wheat and oats. Having a real problem with wheat, but a 50/50 mix of wheat/oats comes out great. Starting your PC on the lowest possible setting might help with the mush on the bottom. Next run I'll let the grains soak in their jars for an hour before PC'ing and add gypsum to help with the clumping. On page one 99.9 posted he's using verm as well for wheat, might be worth a trial run.

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: MoJim]
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Nice job Stroms!

Yes, wheat by itself in jars is tough, same for milo. Wheat or milo in bags, no problem. Wheat mixed with oats sounds like a good combo MoJim.

99.99 smashes it with his grows!


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Low Prep the World! (grain prep)
Trashcan FC
Acidulated extraction gummies and drops
Drying agar and grains using parchment paper
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Edited by YoshiTrainer (03/28/24 12:46 PM)

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 2
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First blend. Did wheat with millet. Really happy with how it turned out.

Just after first shake, still warm from the PC cycle (left) and 12 hours later after second shake.

Also a note to say that "Tare" is your friend. I do everything by weights because it speeds up my process. So I weighed out the volumes of millet and wheat in the jars to get an accurate workflow. Then I rinse in the jars using the germination lids and add enough weight of water to get to the final total. What I didn't realize until this run is that my jar weights varied as much as 25 grams for pints. All Ball brand wide mouth pint jars, but a mix of different cases from different sources.


So instead of using total weights including the jars and a funnel like in the past, I would tare out the scale after each measurement before adding each ingredient. I had to be a pretty fastidious with the tare->rinse->add final water workflow so that my scale did not reset/time out on me. But this time, the final results for all 16 jars was much more consistent. No more clumped bottoms of random jars or excessive burst grains even at 2 hours at 18psi.


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Edited by ReverendMyc (04/11/24 02:20 PM)

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: ReverendMyc]
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That is awesome Rev, your grains look spot on! I might have to give that grain mix a go, I have a little wheat and millet leftover. The differences in glass weight is interesting, the inconsistency is like that with other sizes to.

Tare is a good friend of mine, makes my life easier for sure!

Good luck!


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Low Prep the World! (agar plates)
Low Prep the World! (grain prep)
Trashcan FC
Acidulated extraction gummies and drops
Drying agar and grains using parchment paper
:leaf:Cleaning your bubble hash bags


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
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:hellyeah:
I did 95 grams of water for 1/3 cup of each grain (56g millet & 69g wheat). So double that for quarts or liters. Just slightly less water than the op based on prior runs.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: ReverendMyc] * 2
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Quick update. I love this wheat/millet mix. And so does the myc.

Day 4 since inoculation for the top row.

Then a shake and switched top for bottom row.

Didn't shake the stone producer on the top left.

15 hours after shake and the wheat mix is already showing bounce back.

It is easier to see in person, but that Pan Brooks in 1738 is coming back hard and that is unusual for pan myc.
I am not running down the millet only jars. The 3 that also got their first shake are 11 day old tamps which has myc that grows more subtly at this stage. And the rest were ready for final test shake before spawning, so not a great comparison.
Still, looking at the jars closely I can really see the myc going after the wheat before the millet. But I like the millet for the inoculation points and the way two combine to be easier to shake and look cleaner in jars.


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Stoned Gummys | BRF Pucks | Primo Reusable Plates | Easy LI 4 Preserv & Propo
"Psychedelics are powerful substances. Nothing that powerful is completely safe... and nothing completely safe is that powerful!" - Abigail Calder at ALPS 2023
Don't Panic

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: ReverendMyc] * 1
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Millet/wheat mix has been a game changer for me. Everything loves it. I have poor recovery times when using LC on millet alone, but the wheat soaks it right up & they’re colonized in no time. Spread the good word, Rev


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: MojaveMyc] * 1
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Those jars look great Rev!


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Low Prep the World! (agar plates)
Low Prep the World! (grain prep)
Trashcan FC
Acidulated extraction gummies and drops
Drying agar and grains using parchment paper
:leaf:Cleaning your bubble hash bags


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