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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer]
    #28484658 - 09/27/23 11:29 AM (3 months, 29 days ago)

I'll try this out with oats and 1 quart jars.
Actually I'd appreciate knowing how much grain is needed in weight.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Blueberry Muffin] * 1
    #28486737 - 09/29/23 12:51 PM (3 months, 27 days ago)

Hello Theodore, I believe 1 1/3C of oats is around 200g. Good luck!


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer]
    #28486753 - 09/29/23 01:35 PM (3 months, 27 days ago)

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Hello Theodore, I believe 1 1/3C of oats is around 200g. Good luck!




Thank you!


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Blueberry Muffin]
    #28492832 - 10/05/23 07:35 AM (3 months, 21 days ago)

I tried it by calculating a ratio of 1.15, in other words multiplying the weight of grains by 1.15 to get the water weight. Pc'd 4 1.7 quart jars, all of them are mushy on the bottom, but fine on the upper half. Did not manage to shake the mushy part up. Also I added half of the jar volume worth of grains and it was a tad too much as they expanded almost to the full volume of the jar. I'll try much less grains and a ratio of 1 to 1 next time


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Blueberry Muffin]
    #28492837 - 10/05/23 07:42 AM (3 months, 21 days ago)

For me the ratio is more in the neighborhood of 0,7. 225 grams of WBS and 150 grams of water.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Tiamo]
    #28492882 - 10/05/23 08:32 AM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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For me the ratio is more in the neighborhood of 0,7. 225 grams of WBS and 150 grams of water.




Is it the same for oats?


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Blueberry Muffin] * 1
    #28492897 - 10/05/23 08:54 AM (3 months, 21 days ago)

It appears to be around 75% for rye according to this comment: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28356197#28356197

And for corn too: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28447012#28447012

No idea how you would arrive at 100%, seems way too much.

Also no idea why you wouldn't just follow the volume ratios as listed in the OP. If you just do that once you would immediately have the ratios in weight.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Tiamo]
    #28492910 - 10/05/23 09:19 AM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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It appears to be around 75% for rye according to this comment: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28356197#28356197

And for corn too: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28447012#28447012

No idea how you would arrive at 100%, seems way too much.

Also no idea why you wouldn't just follow the volume ratios as listed in the OP. If you just do that once you would immediately have the ratios in weight.




Ah I fucked up. It's 200 grams of oats to 175 ml water. Damn.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Blueberry Muffin]
    #28492990 - 10/05/23 11:00 AM (3 months, 21 days ago)

Another tip for you theodor, 1ml of water weighs 1 gram.
May help with your ratios. :laugh:


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Tiamo] * 1
    #28493213 - 10/05/23 03:21 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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Also no idea why you wouldn't just follow the volume ratios as listed in the OP. If you just do that once you would immediately have the ratios in weight.



weight based recipes will typically be more repeatable. Even if you are using the exact same packet of grains the container shape can make a difference. Usually the larger the grain size the more pronounced it is.

e.g. pull the plunger out of a 10ml syringe and fill it with uncooked popcorn kernels to the 10ml line, now get a 1000ml syringe and do the same. 100 times the volume but the 1000ml will have more than 100 times the weight of the small one.

This is of course and extreme example to make it obvious, but I recall posts where people did test in pretty common shaped jars and the difference was notable. In weight based recipes you would see differences like 100g of grain to 105g water, and they noticed a difference if using 110g of water.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: blackout]
    #28493240 - 10/05/23 03:34 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

Sure, I prefer a weight based ratio too. But OP did not give us one. Thus I recommend Theodor to follow the ratio listed in the OP once, note down those weights and experiment from there. I can only share my own experience for WBS.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Tiamo]
    #28493275 - 10/05/23 03:49 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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Sure, I prefer a weight based ratio too. But OP did not give us one. Thus I recommend Theodor to follow the ratio listed in the OP once, note down those weights and experiment from there. I can only share my own experience for WBS.



OK, I have no problem with that, and also recommend testing and recording all results, but you said you have "no idea", so I was simply giving one reason/"idea" why people would be against it (and warning to be careful). I expect many others have not considered the issue of container shape either, it is not very obvious until you consider extreme cases. But other people have confirmed it is a significant enough difference, even with no so differently shaped containers.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: blackout]
    #28493321 - 10/05/23 04:24 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

Weight based is definitely better as far as accuracy and exact repeatability goes. Volume on the other hand is much faster.  I do notice a difference, sometimes significant, in my volume measurements, especially when doing 1/4 pint jars. I use standard scoop measuring cups and spoons, the main difference is user error on my part. I'll scoop, give a light shake to settle the grains then slide the side of my finger over the top. Not the most accurate! 😀

Thankfully there seems to be a range for the hydration of grains that is acceptable to the mycelium of various mushroom species.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer]
    #28493391 - 10/05/23 05:19 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

So I royally fucked up my attempt at Yoshi Tek the other week. They came out too wet, so I did something wrong.

For example, Rinsed WBS in Quart Jars...

Steps for weighing:
-Measure the jar
-Measure the jar + dry grain (filled up with 1 1/3 cups)
-Rinse the grains
-'Target weight' is supposed to be the jar + dry weight + 165mL of water
-Add the rinsed grain back into jars with.... 1 1/3 cup of wet grains?  Then...
-So when I add water, I am only supposed to add enough water to get me to the 'Target Weight' calculated above, right?

Did I get my procedure here correct?

Idk how I messed up.  I nailed it the previous time.


Edited by stakesalad (10/05/23 05:36 PM)


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: stakesalad]
    #28493399 - 10/05/23 05:25 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

take the following with a big ol grain of salt because my jars haven't been great yet. could be the agar cultures or the grain prep, jury is still out

For WBS I measure out 4 cups and split it between 3 jars. The weight after rinsing comes out to around 700g-720g per jar (including glass). Then I pour in water to hit 840g-860g

It's not a mycoquart level of grain before the PC cycle, here are before & after the PC


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: NotFromGeorgia]
    #28493416 - 10/05/23 05:35 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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take the following with a big ol grain of salt because my jars haven't been great yet. could be the agar cultures or the grain prep, jury is still out

For WBS I measure out 4 cups and split it between 3 jars. The weight after rinsing comes out to around 700g-720g per jar (including glass). Then I pour in water to hit 840g-860g

It's not a mycoquart level of grain before the PC cycle, here are before & after the PC





I'm sorry, you're 100% right. I was going off memory, and I need to edit my post.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: stakesalad]
    #28493462 - 10/05/23 05:53 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

no need to be sorry bud, your process sounds right otherwise, shoot for the precalculated (glass + dry grains + 165ml) total. i'm too lazy to do the fill/weigh/empty dance before rinsing


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: NotFromGeorgia]
    #28493544 - 10/05/23 06:44 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

Have been slow at learning to get the right hydration method with rye. When I did the boil and air dry I think I was letting them air dry too long.

Anyway ran Yoshi’s method and showed me what the grains are supposed to look like. Worked great. For me 1.33 cups of rye filled the jar to ~85% when done, which I wanted a little more room for shaking, so trying now with one cup rye- keeping the water ratio the same!

Thanks a bunch Yoshi!


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: NotFromGeorgia]
    #28493547 - 10/05/23 06:47 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

Depending how many jars you are prepping at once, it is even easier to just rinse in the jar. Pour your dried grains in the jar, put on scale and zero, then rinse and drain, put jar back on scale (make sure it didn't turn off) and add water until proper weight/volume.

Good luck!

Thank you Whiterabbit, glad it is working for you!


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
    #28493589 - 10/05/23 07:03 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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Depending how many jars you are prepping at once, it is even easier to just rinse in the jar. Pour your dried grains in the jar, put on scale and zero, then rinse and drain, put jar back on scale (make sure it didn't turn off) and add water until proper weight/volume.





I'm thankful for people that are smarter than me, because this is way better than how I was doing it.


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