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InvisibleFucknuckle
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BASIC Grain Prep
    #3070993 - 08/30/04 10:40 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Hey everybody I just wanted to share a simple conclustion I have reached. :thumbup:

After messing with alot of different grains for past year or so. I want to share the easiest way to get the water content correct in any type of grain. Everytime :eek:

Soak in water 24 hours
Put on med heat until grains just start to split
Drain very, very well
Fill jars 75%



I know this may sound very elementary to most of you and this info is everywhere, look up to the top of this forum for Magash's Rye grain tek,but I see there are alot of new people this week. :laugh:


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Re: BASIC Grain Prep [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3071007 - 08/30/04 10:43 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Is using a standard multi-spore syringe to innoculate the grain okay?


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Re: BASIC Grain Prep [Re: Gr8fulJ420]
    #3071014 - 08/30/04 10:45 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Gr8fulJ420 said:
Is using a standard multi-spore syringe to innoculate the grain okay?



yup


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Re: BASIC Grain Prep [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3071074 - 08/30/04 10:54 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

If a grain qt jar with Rye is not drained enough after simmering, could it be ok or will something definitely go wrong?
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Re: BASIC Grain Prep [Re: LocoJRP]
    #3071120 - 08/30/04 11:01 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

If after Pcing you have water in the bottom of jar then you didn't drain it enough.

That dosn't mean it will fail.
It might make it but. you wont be using the yucky stuff in the bottom of jar.


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Re: BASIC Grain Prep [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3071189 - 08/30/04 11:11 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Well, there was a little water in the bottom of the jars before i started the pc.  Hopefully it will be gone when it's finished. :jamming:


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Re: BASIC Grain Prep [Re: LocoJRP]
    #3071206 - 08/30/04 11:15 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Yaeh it most likly will
when I get the jars ready for the pc sometimes I don't get back to it until the next day and there is always some water in the bottom. The reason to fill e'm 75% is, the grains still will absorb water and puff up. :tongue2:


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Re: BASIC Grain Prep [Re: LocoJRP]
    #3071241 - 08/30/04 11:21 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I've used PF + casing a couple of times and had moderate results. I've thought of using rye and now I think I've been convinced to give it a shot. How much spore solution should one squirt inside a prepared rye jar?


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Re: BASIC Grain Prep [Re: Gr8fulJ420]
    #3071421 - 08/30/04 11:51 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

try this frist then use the  :syringe:in the jars
http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/8005
For the karo jar, 10 drops where used and worked very well !


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Re: BASIC Grain Prep [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3071458 - 08/30/04 11:58 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I took them out of the pc and the water that was on the bottom is gone but the grains look kind of dry and cooked. I think they must have absorbed alot of water though, since i started with about a cup of rye in each jar and now there is over two cups. Does it sound like they came out ok?


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Re: BASIC Grain Prep [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3072106 - 08/31/04 03:06 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I have never had a problem with this:

Pour into pot, simmer for 30 mins. Done.


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Re: BASIC Grain Prep [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3072161 - 08/31/04 03:30 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I rinse for an hour, then I load it into a pillow case, and let it soak for 24 hours, then I hang it to drip dry for 12 hours. (overnight)

My water content is always perfect.


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Re: BASIC Grain Prep [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3072722 - 08/31/04 06:35 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Why not just add the correct water ratio to the grain in the first place then pc???

You can't get more basic than that.  :smirk:


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Re: BASIC Grain Prep [Re: Bi0TeK]
    #3072858 - 08/31/04 08:19 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Well.. different grains have different moisture contents, and sometimes it can be difficult to gauge how much water is the right amount. :wink:


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Re: BASIC Grain Prep [Re: Red]
    #3072887 - 08/31/04 08:48 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Whats the right water ratio? I know WBS is 2/3wbs and 1/3h20, but what about popcorn and rye?
I havent found the ratio for popcorn or rye yet. Maybe noone actually knows the correct ratio.


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Re: BASIC Grain Prep [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3073341 - 08/31/04 12:35 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Should I let the grain sit and soak overnight, or pressure cook right away?

Grain(particularly rye and wheat) carry high loads of bacterial endospores.
If one experiences bacterial contamination problems the grain can be left to soak overnight (up to 24 hours) before pressure cooking to allow bacterial endospores to hatch.

If you let it soak too long, the grain itself will eventually start to germinate, which is not desirable. This can particularly be the case, if the temperature at which the jars are left is high, for instance in the summer. In this case it?s better to reduce the soaking time to around 12 hour


http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/23310


There are 2 main approaches to grain preparation:

Method 1.) Rinse the grain several times under flowing water and simmer it until the grains are soaked and begin to explode. With rye the simmer time is around 45 minutes, with millet or millet based birdseed around 30 minutes(but it strongly depends on the individual brand)
Then strain the cooked grain for 20 minutes, fill in jars, screw on a lid fitted with a filter and pressure cook for 1 hour.

Method 2.) Fill the jars directly with the proper amounts of grain and water and pressure cook for 1 hour. If one experiences bacterial contamination problems the grain can be left to soak up to 24 hours before pressure cooking to allow bacterial endospores to germinate.

Basic rye recipe for 1 pint jar:

- 100g(3.5 oz ~ 125 ml) rye
- 110g(3.9 oz =110 ml) water
- knife tip full of gypsum

Basic millet or birdseed recipe for 1 pint jar:

- 100g(3.5 oz ~ 140 ml) birdseed
- 80g(2.8 oz = 80 ml) water
- knife tip full of gypsum


http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/23308

Not trying to tell anybody to look in the faq, I was interested myself so I thought I'd dig it up anyway. :smile:


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Re: BASIC Grain Prep [Re: utopianglory]
    #3073367 - 08/31/04 12:42 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Hey the whole point of this thread was to take all the " Formulas out of the mix"


I have use several types of grains and This always works for them all,everytime.


Soak 24 hours in water, however you like.

Simmer on med heat until the grains just start to split.

Drain very,very well, however you like

Fill any size jar 75%


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Re: BASIC Grain Prep [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3073633 - 08/31/04 02:19 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Here's a question I have regarding popcorn.
I find that my mycelium is a lot shorter and less aggressive than if I innoculate BRF cakes. Is this normal or is something wrong with my technique?


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Re: BASIC Grain Prep [Re: Bi0TeK]
    #3074155 - 08/31/04 04:19 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Red said:
Well.. different grains have different moisture contents, and sometimes it can be difficult to gauge how much water is the right amount. :wink:




Quote:

kitteh said:
Whats the right water ratio? I know WBS is 2/3wbs and 1/3h20, but what about popcorn and rye?
I havent found the ratio for popcorn or rye yet. Maybe noone actually knows the correct ratio.




http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/23322

http://www.fungifun.org/grain/

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utopianglory said:
If one experiences bacterial contamination problems the grain can be left to soak overnight (up to 24 hours) before pressure cooking to allow bacterial endospores to hatch.




Thats an untruth. Perhaps that should read "If one experiences bacterial contamination problems then it's high time you bought a new pressure cooker." :smirk:

Quote:

The FAQ States:
Do I need a pressure cooker if I want to prepare grains?

http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/23307

Grains usually contain higher loads of bacterial endospores which are very hardy and which survive the temperature of boiling water, therefore a normal cooking process can't kill them. A pressure cooker is required, since the temperature in a pressure cooker is high enough to destroy the endospores.




The saying "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink" springs to mind with you guys.


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Re: BASIC Grain Prep [Re: Bi0TeK]
    #3075875 - 09/01/04 12:02 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Fucknuckle, I posted that because somebody asked about formulas.  Not only that but I posted a far quicker way to get water content right in that message anyway.    Rinse and then simmer for 30 mins.

BiOTeK, I don't expect to have to explain myself every time I do someone a favor and post the faq questions surrounding the issue that is involved. 

If you want to critique the faq thats your business, but get your facts straight, its not untrue that soaking helps with germination.  That is a fact.  Whether it is needed in a situation with a good pressure cooker is the contentious point and the one you should take up anno, not me.  However there is no point changing the FAQ because the question points out alot more now than it ever would by the simple answer "Get a new pressure cooker".  Not to mention the fact you missed out the part that points out it was talking about more hardier grains that might take longer in the PC without soaking.

So before you post again, I suggest you check that you're not spreading and untruths yourself. 

There is a saying in my parts "People who live in glass houses should not throw stones".

Sorry if you are offended by this but I don't enjoy people picking apart things I say :smile:


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