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splifferd
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Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback.
#3259629 - 10/21/04 07:38 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I ordered some more Rye grain Berrys from triplehelixspores.com last week. I get a message yesterday saying that paypal closed there account, and my product did not ship. I cannot get rye berrys around town.
So people here that have used popcorn let me know if this is worth a try. I do not want to waste my spores and time. I just had too throw away 3 casings. Two got green mold, One was too dry. I could not get my humidity right. Anyway I am frustrated and ready to get another batch going. Does popcorn work well.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: splifferd]
#3259643 - 10/21/04 07:50 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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i'm a noob and i like popcorn works well for me just read the teks. gl
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: splifferd]
#3259690 - 10/21/04 08:10 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I had very good results with corn. But you have to make sure that it is really sterile.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: ragadinks]
#3259708 - 10/21/04 08:20 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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More sterial than Rye grain.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: splifferd]
#3259723 - 10/21/04 08:28 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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soke for 24hrs rinse simmer for 1hr drain all water off let drip dry or towel off fill jars pc at 15psi for 1hr let cool and noc em up works for me!
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: hydroguru]
#3259748 - 10/21/04 08:41 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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hydroguru said: soke for 24hrs rinse simmer for 1hr drain all water off let drip dry or towel off fill jars pc at 15psi for 1hr let cool and noc em up works for me!
That's about right...
Aquafriends have been using rye berries & millet as their substrate for a few years, but just recently decided to try popcorn. With 2 year old spores, quart jars were completely colonized in 8-9 days, just make sure you shake the jars when you see the first signs of growth, and ZOOM!
This is the tek they used:
http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/25049
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: splifferd]
#3260237 - 10/21/04 11:36 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I had a hell of a time getting the moisture content right with popcorn but I did not give up I found that adding verm to the popcorn helped retain the proper moisture very well The thing with popcorn, it seems very clean (low contams) most likely due to its very smooth texture
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: noxy]
#3261640 - 10/21/04 06:20 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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i followed the tek posted up above and had full colonization in 11 days.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: xistenz]
#3263504 - 10/22/04 02:08 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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use brown rice, boil slowly till half cooked, rinse well! mix with some moist verm if you want more water. prseeure cook etc as normal 1h or so.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: Aquaman]
#3263848 - 10/22/04 07:30 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Popcorn in my opinion would be one of the best bulk substrate spawns. I've never tried popcorn, but next summer I will be using all popcorn for my substrate.
Also, as a tip, make yourself some liquid culture to keep in your fridge for innoc'ing, people that claim full colonization in 6-8 days will see an even shorter colonization time, which I'm sure you know since the spores are already germinated and ready to pump out some myc.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: splifferd]
#3264107 - 10/22/04 09:44 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Popcorn can be easly over cooked and the water content can be easly be way too much. Follow the 24 soak,simmer until grains just start to split, after simmer drain for an hour on a towel. You can't go wrong
but other than a learning curve I give popcorn a thumbs up
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: Fucknuckle]
#3264697 - 10/22/04 12:44 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fucknuckle said: Popcorn can be easly over cooked and the water content can be easly be way too much. Follow the 24 soak,simmer until grains just start to split, after simmer drain for an hour on a towel. You can't go wrong
This is what I did with my popcorn jars, minus the soak. I simply simmered till the kernels split slightly. Drained very well (even used a towel a couple times too), and PC'd for 1 hour. The split kernels were an indicator to me that water content was good, and colonization/germination is usually faster when they are split (IME).
The problem is when the kernels are split, contamination risk greatly increases. Make sure the popcorn is well colonized before spawning to a pasteurized substrate. When fruiting from strait popcorn alone, I only experienced one decent flush. After the first flush, it seems to fall off rapidly in yield...
I had good experiences with popcorn, so did two of my friends. But, I have since switched back to rye berries...
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: ATWAR]
#3265148 - 10/22/04 04:40 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've been growing with rye berries for a while now. In my opinion they're one of the best options available to you.
Advantages of rye vs. popcorn?
Rye berries are smaller in size, therefore you can fit more grains in the same volume of substrate. If you go on to spawn a bulk substrate like straw, you'll have more inoculation points.
From my personal experience, I found that when shaking popcorn and rye, the inoculated kernels of rye spread more evenly across the substrate, leading to a quicker(more even) colonization. However, this can just be an experimenters error.
This is just my opinion, there are many people on these boards who prefer popcorn/cracked corn.
To find rye berries look in bulk stores and health food stores: (golden pages: look for bulk barn, bulk country, gentle rain health food etc) the also sell popcorn at these stores (usually).
If you cannot find any berries, then just go with corn! Remember, always work with the materials that are available to you
A note on split kernels: According to Stamets, split kernels encourage growth of tomentose (cottony) mycelium, which is not desired.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: Erik006]
#3266031 - 10/22/04 09:12 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hum so it might be better to not let the kernels to split. Next time we try popcorn, will try it.
Atwar...... I find the same thing with the one good flush of popcorn. The last time we used straight popcorn cased, was to add 25% verm per volume, mixed with the popcorn in the jars. It added water to the grain. I got a second very good flush. I believe the popcorn loses water very fast with the first flush.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: Erik006]
#3268421 - 10/23/04 03:53 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here's some pictures of corn and rye grain side by side: Corn on the left, Rye on the right These jars were both inoculated 3 days ago from a quart master jar, substrate was also rye. The strain is Puerto Rican: Closeup of Corn growth:
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: Erik006]
#3268912 - 10/23/04 06:07 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Erik006 said: A note on split kernels: According to Stamets, split kernels encourage growth of tomentose (cottony) mycelium, which is not desired.
Could you point me to where this is mentioned? I could not find it in GGMM or TMC. Although, I didn't re-read them fully, just the grain prep sections...
@Fucknuckle: Popcorn really never performed very well for me strait cased. Even when I would dunk the casing to rehydrate, the 2nd flush was generally pretty poor. I must admit I am biased againsed strait grain casings in general, what a waste of spawn...
I am a strong believer in using a high nutrient content spawn for supplementing bulk substrates. This is the sole reason why I switched back to rye grain (that, and I found popcorn was the reason animals were tearing into my compost pile, it doesn't happen with rye). But, I will say that popcorn does indeed work decently, and everyone should try it at least once...
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: ATWAR]
#3269903 - 10/24/04 12:12 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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A note on split kernels: According to Stamets, split kernels encourage growth of tomentose (cottony) mycelium, which is not desired.
Damn.. almost all the kernals split in my most recent batch, and I already knocked 'em. :{ That sucks.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: ATWAR]
#3270824 - 10/24/04 07:59 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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>Could you point me to where this is mentioned? I could not find it in GGMM or TMC. Although, I didn't re-read them fully, just the grain prep sections...
Sure!
The amount of water added to the grain is an important factor contributing to the reproduction of contaminants. Excessive water in a spawn jar facors the growth of bactieria and other competitors.In wet grain the mushroom mycelium grows denser and slower. Oversaturated grain kernels explode during the sterilization process, and with their interiors exposed, the grain is even more susceptible to contamination. (the Mushroom Cultivator,pg 44, par. 4)
According to Stoller(1962) the growth of fluffy sectors in encouraged by broken and exploded kerenls which increase the availability of strach in the spawn media(the Mushroom Cultivator, pg 33, par 3)
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: splifferd]
#3271017 - 10/24/04 10:21 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am growing cubensis on both popcorn and rye and so far they seem pretty equal to me but both very fast , look growlog in sig. But popcorn will be my choice of grain in the future because its so more shakeable than rye.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: DrBhang]
#3271913 - 10/24/04 03:14 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Two more (quart) jars of popcorn:
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: splifferd]
#3279021 - 10/26/04 10:41 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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just inocc'd 10, 250ml jars with yellow popcorn on 23 Oct. no growth noticed yet. first time with popcorn so i do not know if i have the moisture content correct yet. will try to remember to update in this forum to let you know how they turned out.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: theknighterrant]
#3280273 - 10/26/04 04:04 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Closeup of characteristic Corn growth:
characteristic? ive seen a wide variety of growth on corn.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: theknighterrant]
#3280584 - 10/26/04 05:11 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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theknighterrant said: just inocc'd 10, 250ml jars with yellow popcorn on 23 Oct. no growth noticed yet. first time with popcorn so i do not know if i have the moisture content correct yet. will try to remember to update in this forum to let you know how they turned out.
tke
Me too! I can barely see any growth too. I have my temps at 88-90F though.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: QbanMoJo]
#3280697 - 10/26/04 05:44 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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>characteristic? ive seen a wide variety of growth on corn.
yes, I dont mean the type of mycelium though
In my opinion, corn growth in general has a certain quality to it, I can't really describe it. thats why I put a pic, but you are definitly right, characteristic is not really any appropriate word.
Thanks!
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: Erik006]
#3281108 - 10/26/04 07:20 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have about ten quart jars of popcorn. A couple of them are getting fully colonized, some were on there way and they died, or so it seems. I'm now thinking mabye I had the moisture content a little off and mabye thats why this happened. Well, I'm going to case them soon for my first grow. I'll have to let you know how they do. And here's a questions while I'm at it. For those of you that have cased with popcorn, the corn that is pressed against the side of the jar is not able to get colonized because its against the jar. I'm not sure what I can do about this so I'm just going to case and see what happens. Any advice here would be appreiciated on this. Late--Chinaboy
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: ChinaBoy]
#3305849 - 11/01/04 05:11 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I believe you can get those grains on the side of the jar to colonize by getting them away from the side. This could be done by shaking or holding the jar at an angle and rotating it.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: daimyo]
#3309393 - 11/02/04 01:49 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have since cased the corn jars that were done. I have total 3 cases with them so far. The last part of the corn never got colonized and I figured as long as I'm sterile with everything it will be fine. We'll see what happens, I hatched the first case so far.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: ChinaBoy]
#3309436 - 11/02/04 02:00 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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i asked about pop corn when i first started growing back when The Drool Donkey board started years ago, some one told me it had little nutrient value and that it was best used for strain storage, this discouraged me from trying it, considering i was a newbie but I'm very interested in seeing it work.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: THEDANGLER]
#3327642 - 11/06/04 12:46 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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AFOAF got very poor results with popcorn cased straight. Oddly, this depended on strain, B+ did mediocre on popcorn, cambo did so poorly it was a waste of time.
For bulk spawn, popcorn works well once you get the water content down.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: Erik006]
#10910229 - 08/22/09 07:19 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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i have never tried rye berries, how much do they cost? i think popcorn is probably more efficient as a 50lb bag at sams is like 16 bucks, that will make like 60 jars or something crazy
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: MagicMaker]
#10910256 - 08/22/09 07:35 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have been using Corn for prolly 6 years now and the results have always been good. Rye is scarce on the African continent and when it is available it's effing expensive, check the results using whole maize as a bulk sub.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: Getafixx]
#10910379 - 08/22/09 08:29 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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damn those look nice, what did you case with?
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: MagicMaker]
#10910404 - 08/22/09 08:35 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cased with standard peat based casing (verm peat lime). Don't expect results like that with a multispore inoculation. It is a Isolated MDK. Below is Cambodian iso with corn sub a same casing mix
Take note of the odd conjoined twins up-front.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: MagicMaker]
#10910458 - 08/22/09 08:49 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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whats a multispore inoculation? and whats MDK?
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: MagicMaker]
#10910470 - 08/22/09 08:52 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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LOL, Off Topic, try the search tab, I am sure those q's have been answered somewhere else at shroomery. MDK= Mexican Dutch King
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: Getafixx]
#10914753 - 08/22/09 07:28 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have used both with great success. I do not like the dis-colorization of popcorn, but once it takes it is great stuff.
I will say Popcorn loves worm poo!!!!!
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: Kidwonder]
#10927610 - 08/24/09 03:37 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hm. You guys have me seriously eyeing this bag of popcorn in my kitchen cabinet...
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: Unjuat]
#10927875 - 08/24/09 04:18 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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LoL make some popped pop-corn for a healthy snack while you Sterilize your jars, It smells good too. Rye and WBS makes a for a shit snack
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: Morelman]
#11393548 - 11/05/09 07:47 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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ive used em both. now that i can find popcorn at sams club for 17 bucks for 50lbs its cheaper than the wbs i get. it works like a charm.
a good way to get proper moisture content is to boil the corn for about an hour. then turn it to low heat for 30 mins. then lay it out flat on a towel to soak up the extra water. once all the kernals seem dry then you spoon it into jars and pc for an hour.
really good with storing clones in the fridge as well!
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: eatyualive]
#11393659 - 11/05/09 08:02 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah you are right there regarding storage. Since the last post i have switched to whole maize, it's whole corn kernels but is typically sold at animal feed stores and is half the price of Pop Corn, end results are the same.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: Getafixx]
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Here a rather poor pic of whole maize, you will notice that the kernels are bigger than regular Pop corn Kernels, Preparation is the same as Pop Corn
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: Getafixx]
#11396289 - 11/06/09 07:43 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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hey getafixx,. i find that the smaller kernal corn takes to heat a little better. ill often have to boil it longer than the larger kernal corn. at least around this area. some people also use corn cobb bedding from the pet store. ive heard many speak wonders about it. but i just never got around to trying it.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: eatyualive]
#11396326 - 11/06/09 07:52 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've heard of someone using pcorn without a pressure cooker with repeated success. I think they just steam sterilized it. Doesn't seem to be your question, but I just thought it was worth mentioning.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. (moved) [Re: splifferd]
#11396474 - 11/06/09 08:34 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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This thread was moved from Advanced Mycology.
Reason: I'm not sure how this slipped through the cracks back in 2004, but I should have moved it to cultivation back then. It's off topic in advanced mycology.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. (moved) [Re: libertaire]
#11396564 - 11/06/09 08:56 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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funny...
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. (moved) [Re: Beelzebozo]
#11396782 - 11/06/09 09:47 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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In that case I will not consider it a dead t hread, I have no Rye available probably in teh whole country, so I was thinking of mixing bird seed and Popcorn, any suggested ratios? Suggested means of getting the moisture content right in both? Opinions wether this is a good idea or not?
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. (moved) [Re: Lennybernadino]
#11396821 - 11/06/09 09:56 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you're going to mix wildly different grain sizes together, you should hydrate them separately and then mix just before sterilization. Popcorn(worst grain in my experience) holds a lot more water than millet. If you try to soak/hydrate them all together, the moisture won't ever be right. RR
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. [Re: eatyualive]
#11396829 - 11/06/09 09:58 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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eatyualive said: hey getafixx,. i find that the smaller kernal corn takes to heat a little better. ill often have to boil it longer than the larger kernal corn. at least around this area. some people also use corn cobb bedding from the pet store. ive heard many speak wonders about it. but i just never got around to trying it.
Cooking times do vary slightly between corn types and suppliers. a person could do a visual inspection of the kernels by slicing a kernel in half, they are ready for towel drying and Pc'ing when there is a thin dry line(matt white in color) in the center of the kernel about 1/2mm to 1mm wide, once Pc'd it will be fully hydrated. Summarized prep of corn: Soak corn for 24-36 hours(36h in winter) Rinse well then boil for 60-70 minutes (gentle boil) Allow to drain and cool in colander for 1hour pour corn out onto a towel to remove excess water Bottle and PC for 70minutes at 15psi. I like getting the jars out the pc while they are still hot, doing this seems to leave less condensation in the jar compared to leaving them in the cooker until completely cool. Inoculate with LC, G2G or agar wedges. G2G at 10% seed rate colonizes within 10days.
I have never tried the corn cobb bedding and will keep an eye out for it.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. (moved) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#11396875 - 11/06/09 10:06 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Popcorn(worst grain in my experience) holds a lot more water than millet. RR
It's the Best Grain in my experience. Transkie on corn
Dutch King on corn
Argentina MS on corn
B+ on corn
cambodian on corn. Panama, Colorado, Na Muang all did well on corn.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. (moved) [Re: Getafixx]
#11397041 - 11/06/09 10:40 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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so far, ive got the lowest contam rates off corn grain if prepared properly when compared to wbs, rye berry. i do want to say that im a wbs man. been one for the last 10 years or so.
i don't soak it at all. but often if its pressure cooked at 15psi for an hour you can easily overcook it. id probably do no more than 45 mins in the pc again. so i just boil it then steep it. works great! and the towel trick is the key to getting the moisture content right if you don't add any verm to the bottom. and i don't like doing that.
when boiling corn i only pc it an hour tops with no issues after the grain is prepped by boiling and steeping. if i were soaking it might pc it longer.
also when i use the towel i don't even let it strain for more than a minute. i just use the strainer to separate the water and the corn grain. then give it a quick 10 second rinse with cold water. soak up the water with the towel then pc for an hour.
you can pc it, soak it, or boil it. all works well! i never really liked it much before due to cost. but sams club has it 17 bucks for 50lbs. cheapest source of wbs for me is 10 bucks for 25lbs at walmart. and ive never gone back to other grains since. it is a bit slower to colonize than wbs in bulk substrate beds. but its faster to colonize in the jars than wbs by a day or two. but the edibles really seem to love the extra moisture on the corn grains. i get 3 days colonization in corn grain with oysters without a shake. often even cubes will colonize without a shake in 5 days. but thats not every strain. ive shaken maybe 2 batches of cubes in the last 3 months on corn grain that needed it. all other batches were left to colonize without a shake from g2g transfer. most contams i see in the corn are wetspot. and soaking up the extra moisture with a towel really seems to make the mc perfect imho. made the difference for me.
i prep it like so.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11396230
this is blue oysters after 3 days from g2g tranfer from master. no shake involved.
this is pinks 2 days in after g2g. i love corn! you can see the wbs grain from the master transfer.
and it looks cool too...lol...
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. (moved) [Re: eatyualive]
#11397237 - 11/06/09 11:11 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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nice tek and i have seen your results so there is no doubt that it works well but, I think the soak is essential, for me it ensures that the endospores have germinated and will then be killed by the heating process,it's also a good way to get your kernels well hydrated without having any kernels split during boiling and Pc'ing phase. It is a good idea to get the water up to boiling point slowly, turning the heat full up from the start will imo almost guarantee that kernels spill their guts. I can't remember the last time a jar has turned on me. The only time i shake a jar is when i use a Lc, when using G2G i don't need to shake at all, also i don't use a incubator for my jars they colonize at room temp +/-25*C.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. (moved) [Re: Getafixx]
#11397275 - 11/06/09 11:19 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Getafixx said: nice tek and i have seen your results so there is no doubt that it works well but, I think the soak is essential, for me it ensures that the endospores have germinated and will then be killed by the heating process,it's also a good way to get your kernels well hydrated without having any kernels split during boiling and Pc'ing phase. It is a good idea to get the water up to boiling point slowly, turning the heat full up from the start will imo almost guarantee that kernels spill their guts. I can't remember the last time a jar has turned on me. The only time i shake a jar is when i use a Lc, when using G2G i don't need to shake at all, also i don't use a incubator for my jars they colonize at room temp +/-25*C.
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are you growing str8 off the grain or spawning to bulk subs? id say if spawning soaking isn't necessary. although ive never soaked the corn grain. if growing off the grain directly maybe so.
yeah corn seems more resilient to trich in my experience. no proof but observation. usually only get wetspot due to me fucking up and overcooking the corn. last batch which is the only bad batch i had was bc i got some new corn and it didn't take to the heat as well as the last bags ive had. other than that. i just adjusted the cooking times and everything was fine.
yeah i hear you on not shaking. its something i love bc you can just let em colonize without looking until they are ready. i tend to incubate at room temps as well. but i think when i have all the jars in close proximity it increases the temp slightly. but i agree. i fruit, incubate, and run bulk subs at the same temp. the variation from my incubation spot may be slightly higher in temp bc the air vents don't get to it.
actually though, when i boil it. i put the temp right to high. let it sit at high for 45 mins on big kernal corn and 1 hour on smaller kernal corn. then after the hour or 45 mins. i put it on medium heat for a warm steep for another 30 mins or 45 mins depending on the grain size. only time ive had split grains is when i pressure cooked it. but ive not had any split grains when boiling it.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. (moved) [Re: eatyualive]
#11397389 - 11/06/09 11:35 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I grow str8 off grain, cased with standard peat moss casing RR style. Sometimes peat is not available in ZA so i opt for coir which works just as well except for the fact that myc tends to overrun the coir casing. I have done bulk subs like poop and straw but corn does well enough on it's own.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. (moved) [Re: Getafixx]
#11397402 - 11/06/09 11:37 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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damn peat. lol haven't touched that stuff in a long while. don't like having to ph balance anything. just like sticking it in there and letting it do its thing. i love coir! good to know. i get mixed results casing wbs grain. have very consistent results using wbs or corn grain in bulk subs.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. (moved) [Re: Getafixx]
#11406345 - 11/07/09 05:08 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Getafixx said: It's Best Grain in my experience.
But your maize might do better than proper popcorn. I can get maize in my pet shop the kernels are massive compared to popcorn. Have you any idea of the moisture content of the cooked maize, e.g. are you adding 100ml to 100g of grain, I know you are boiling for an hour but have you ever weighed before & after to work out how much was added.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. (moved) [Re: blackout]
#11406569 - 11/07/09 05:41 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Getafixx said: It's Best Grain in my experience.
But your maize might do better than proper popcorn. I can get maize in my pet shop the kernels are massive compared to popcorn. Have you any idea of the moisture content of the cooked maize, e.g. are you adding 100ml to 100g of grain, I know you are boiling for an hour but have you ever weighed before & after to work out how much was added.
No, I plan to do another cook in about a weeks time, If i remember, i will do the b4 and after weigh up. If there is any interest from other growers then i will do a start to finish pictorial on the corn preparation. Stay tuned,
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. (moved) [Re: Getafixx]
#11406970 - 11/07/09 06:46 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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just did a 12 hour soak on the corn. then did the regular tek i do. seems to have filled the jars up a little better.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. (moved) [Re: eatyualive]
#11407223 - 11/07/09 07:26 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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eatyualive said: just did a 12 hour soak on the corn. then did the regular tek i do. seems to have filled the jars up a little better.
Sounds like you got a little more moisture into the kernels Did you notice a difference regarding split kernels as result of the pre-soak?
Here's little more info from my side, for Blackout's questions I cook up 10kg(22pounds)of corn at 1 go and that consistently gives me 36 x 750ml jars at the end. This gives me a dry weight of roughly 275g(10ounces) per jar. I just weighed a cooked jar that was inoculated with agar a few days ago and it weighs 450g(16ounces). I zeroed the scale with an empty jar b4 weighing the cooked jar. I hope i converted the weights correctly from metric to Imperial.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. (moved) [Re: Getafixx]
#11409697 - 11/08/09 06:31 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Getafixx said: Here's little more info from my side, for Blackout's questions I cook up 10kg(22pounds)of corn at 1 go and that consistently gives me 36 x 750ml jars at the end. This gives me a dry weight of roughly 275g(10ounces) per jar. I just weighed a cooked jar that was inoculated with agar a few days ago and it weighs 450g(16ounces). I zeroed the scale with an empty jar b4 weighing the cooked jar. I hope i converted the weights correctly from metric to Imperial.
Great, thanks for that. in TMC it lists cornmeal at about 89% dry matter, so 11% moisture. So 275g has 245g of dry matter, so your eventual 450g means there is 205g/ml of water in it (175ml added by you.) So you have a moisture content of about 45%.
This is relatively low compared to what some recipes call for, but I do prefer it lower.
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Re: Popcorn vs. Rye grain. Experence W/popcorn feedback. (moved) [Re: Getafixx]
#11412669 - 11/08/09 05:26 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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eatyualive said: just did a 12 hour soak on the corn. then did the regular tek i do. seems to have filled the jars up a little better.
Sounds like you got a little more moisture into the kernels Did you notice a difference regarding split kernels as result of the pre-soak?
Here's little more info from my side, for Blackout's questions I cook up 10kg(22pounds)of corn at 1 go and that consistently gives me 36 x 750ml jars at the end. This gives me a dry weight of roughly 275g(10ounces) per jar. I just weighed a cooked jar that was inoculated with agar a few days ago and it weighs 450g(16ounces). I zeroed the scale with an empty jar b4 weighing the cooked jar. I hope i converted the weights correctly from metric to Imperial.
yes more of the kernels were split with the soak. but thats ok. it filled the jars up perfectly. only a few though. maybe pulled out 5 that i could see by eye. nothing too bad. i actually started the 12 hour soak with hot water from the tap. then just let it sit till morning. then followed my normal routine. i did notice. that after the jars were pressure cooked. the corn grain was a much darker color. not so much of that bright yellow color like usual. a more toasty looking color. not bad just noticed it. g2ged golden teacher into it. hope it takes off.
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