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MrMaddHatter
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: scatmanrav]
#4158737 - 05/10/05 06:11 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nice write-up. Love the pics. 
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drugsaregood
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: MrMaddHatter]
#4158900 - 05/10/05 06:52 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have a good question for someone... say I had 6 pint jars of rye colonized. As I've never tried casing before, would I be better off to split that into 6 small containers instead of 1-2 larger ones??
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: drugsaregood]
#4158914 - 05/10/05 06:57 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Try 3 containers. Bigger subs, get you bigger shrooms.
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: agar]
#4158923 - 05/10/05 06:59 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I knew that thicker is better for substrate, but I thought the chances of success might be better if they were separate. This is a first attempt so I'm skeptical.
Edited by drugsaregood (05/10/05 07:00 PM)
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: drugsaregood]
#4158937 - 05/10/05 07:02 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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In reality, spawn to bulk will do far better than rye as a sub.
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: agar]
#4158962 - 05/10/05 07:10 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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baby steps here
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: drugsaregood]
#4159127 - 05/10/05 07:42 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Your PVC ring over your stainless steel sink reminded me of something I discovered years ago. Many older porcelain kitchen sinks are sized just right so an oven rack fits perfectly in them, catching on the top lip just right. In these sinks if you place the oven rack over it and then get some screen material ($4 at Walmart for a big roll), cut it to size, and place the screen over the oven rack, you have a huge colander without messing with a PVC ring! It works really well if you have that kind of sink.
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: agar]
#4159157 - 05/10/05 07:47 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
agar said:
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Lol 
I second that!
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scatmanrav
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: Blue Helix]
#4159605 - 05/10/05 09:26 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Blue Helix said: Your PVC ring over your stainless steel sink reminded me of something I discovered years ago. Many older porcelain kitchen sinks are sized just right so an oven rack fits perfectly in them, catching on the top lip just right. In these sinks if you place the oven rack over it and then get some screen material ($4 at Walmart for a big roll), cut it to size, and place the screen over the oven rack, you have a huge colander without messing with a PVC ring! It works really well if you have that kind of sink.
This doesnt allow it to sink in. The rye straining on the screen, is about 4-5 inches deep, sagging to almost touch the drain in the bottom of the sink. Holds more at a time then a flat strainer. But for those doing less, a flat strainer is quicker and your suggestion would work out well 
Once cakes, or spawn, is colonized, your chances of success are pretty much just as good with 2, 3 or 6 casings. Either all of it will be done right, or it will be done wrong. Its tough to lose a poo casing to contams when you spawn it, let alone 3. If you did 6, that would only be 1 cake as spawn, which isnt very much (enough to mix with 1 quart of poo). I'd go with agars suggestion and make 3 casings and use two cakes in each, with 2-3 quarts of pasteurized horse poo per casing.
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: scatmanrav]
#4159614 - 05/10/05 09:31 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, I agree. I was draining only 16 pounds wet, and the flat oven rack strainer was maxed out. Having a nice dip in the middle would be good to add another 20 pounds or so and would make it easier to drain it better.
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: scatmanrav]
#4159905 - 05/10/05 10:52 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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actually popcorn and rye both have b-6 and lack in b-12, Rye does have a much higher tryptophan content than popcorn though. According to information I've seen, though, tryptamine HCl rich substrates increase the psilocin content (and reduce the psilocybin content)... But the difference we're talking about here is in tryptophan, which people have experimented with and have had mixed results, as a forum search of tryptophan will reveal. IMO popcorn mushies will knock your socks off just like any other grain. Only subjective side by side comparison can really say, so I guess ill try both out sometime and post my results about it then. And even then... I really think it'd take some mondo expensive lab equipment (mass spectrometer perhaps?) to say what grows more potent shrooms.
Info for the food content found here search for "rye" and for "corn grain" and select 100g serving to see for yourself. Maybe someone else knows better, and maybe tryptophan does have something to do with potency, i dunno.. but popcorn works, flushes well, and I don't see why so many people knock what is probably the easiest and cheapest grain to obtain.
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: coolman256]
#4160468 - 05/11/05 01:31 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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>but popcorn works, flushes well, and I don't see why so many people knock what is probably the easiest and cheapest grain to obtain.
Look man...say what you want...I've read just about every post thats come along in this, advanced, and grow log forums in the last year. Probably 90% of them. I've seen alot of popcorn grows, millet grows, WBS grows, rye grows, a tons of other things, or any mixture of them. Popcorn has worked out quite well for some others:

But there are probably half who report multiple failures with it. Then they switch to another grain, WBS or rye usually, and have much better results. Whatever problems they were having could very well be their fault, in not preping it properly. Thats not the point. The point is, when people start of with rye or WBS, theirs more like a 25% failure rate for people. Generally switching to the other that they werent using solves this. I have only heard of 1 case where someone tried WBS and rye and failed, then tried popcorn and succeeded. Statistics are against popcorn. That doesnt mean it cant work! Thats just why we dont suggest it first off. It generally causes fewer people to come back and go "hey whyd you tell me to use this crap".
And cheapest? Around here WBS is 40 pounds for 10 bucks. I think popcorn is more like 50 cents a pound. Rye is 50 cents a pound as well...
You can use whatever grain you please for this though...the point is just one way you can do grain, its not a rye/wbs is better argument. Thats just what I prefer to use. It's preformed quite well for me fruited straight off the grains. Its also preformed excellently as spawn.
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: scatmanrav]
#4160522 - 05/11/05 01:49 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've read a lot of Scatman's post, and posts of which he's talking about, i'm with em on the rye....
Popcorn works...But Rye Owns...
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coolman256
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popcorn is difficult to master getting the moisture content down, but if you read the original popcorn thread (which is very very long and the process progresses as the thread goes on (and on and on and on and on)) Popcorn is 50 cents a pound if you buy 2 lb bags. You're unfairly comparing it to other grains bought in bulk. I once purchased 50lb of popcorn for 6$. I don't soak my popcorn. Load it up and PC for 45 minutes, take it out, strain for 30, load it up again, and PC for another 60-90 minutes (I like 75). A good soak wouldn't hurt though... Like I said moisture content is a bitch but I think popcorn is a grain that is unfairly knocked. You can't account for statistical anomolies such as begginers more likely trying popcorn because it's the easiest to obtain (thus giving a higher failure rate). Statistics are statistics, they don't lie but the truth is often hidden within them. I'm done with this thread though, it's really a moot point, just can't have people saying that "popcorn doesn't work as well" cause that's BS. I'm sure you'd fight me to the death on this one though scat
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: coolman256]
#4494544 - 08/04/05 11:04 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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*bump* fucking great work, scatman!
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scatmanrav
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: HB]
#4494581 - 08/04/05 11:11 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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TY, I wish you and I could trade some of our great work, I'd love to be able to do the great work you do..green thumb doesnt come natural to me though and its tough trying to learn it all...its much more in depth and complicated then getting good mushrooms.
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Underhillmaster said: Do you have a canning funnel? hehe, It's the best $2 you can ever spend if you do a lot of jars.
I agree You really won't have to wait for the grain to fall in as the whole is almost as wide as the jar mouth. You will be able to use a bigger spoon and be less careful when loading. just hold the little handle and sorta keep it shaking gently and all the grain will fall into the jar. I bet you could load jars over twice as fast 
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: Fungi_x]
#4495209 - 08/04/05 01:07 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can get big soda bottles or fabric conditioner etc. with handles that will do the same job
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: blackout]
#4495893 - 08/04/05 04:09 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm sure it would work fine, but do you know how much crap I have around this little aparment? LOL I've got more rubbermaids and tubberware then all your grandmothers put together..I dont need another thing just to make loading jars a 3 minute job instead of 6 LOL. Someday I'll bother with one, but I'm so sick of clutter (we wont even talk about heaters and bubblewands and lights and humidifiers that are all usless laying around).
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: scatmanrav]
#4495929 - 08/04/05 04:21 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hehe my wife says the same thing, I have 3 closests full of culivation supplies such as any type of uncommon grain I find, humidifiers, all stored in tubs, not to mention jar storage and washing. Shes allways bitchen Lol.
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