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TheLightIsOn
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: scatmanrav]
#4602643 - 08/31/05 06:37 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is the rye the same thing as Organic Rye Grass Seed?
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: TheLightIsOn]
#4602795 - 08/31/05 08:17 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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TheLightIsOn said: Is the rye the same thing as Organic Rye Grass Seed?
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No. they are talking about rye grain/kernels/berries. RG seed is expensive, doesnt hold moisture well but is suited to hard to grow strains.
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TheLightIsOn
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: blackout]
#4602910 - 08/31/05 09:04 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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oh gocha
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: scatmanrav]
#5087642 - 12/20/05 10:18 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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scatmanrav said: >but popcorn works, flushes well, and I don't see why so many people knock what is probably the easiest and cheapest grain to obtain.
Look man...say what you want...I've read just about every post thats come along in this, advanced, and grow log forums in the last year. Probably 90% of them. I've seen alot of popcorn grows, millet grows, WBS grows, rye grows, a tons of other things, or any mixture of them. Popcorn has worked out quite well for some others:

But there are probably half who report multiple failures with it. Then they switch to another grain, WBS or rye usually, and have much better results. Whatever problems they were having could very well be their fault, in not preping it properly. Thats not the point. The point is, when people start of with rye or WBS, theirs more like a 25% failure rate for people. Generally switching to the other that they werent using solves this. I have only heard of 1 case where someone tried WBS and rye and failed, then tried popcorn and succeeded. Statistics are against popcorn. That doesnt mean it cant work! Thats just why we dont suggest it first off. It generally causes fewer people to come back and go "hey whyd you tell me to use this crap".
And cheapest? Around here WBS is 40 pounds for 10 bucks. I think popcorn is more like 50 cents a pound. Rye is 50 cents a pound as well...
You can use whatever grain you please for this though...the point is just one way you can do grain, its not a rye/wbs is better argument. Thats just what I prefer to use. It's preformed quite well for me fruited straight off the grains. Its also preformed excellently as spawn.
i am a begginer who has tried a few experiments so far each ennding up with there own problems but i finally got a pressure cooker and i put ten jars through 6 of them rye and 4 popcorn. of the ten 5 of the rye were contaminated and only 1 of the popcorn. also i noticed that the popcorn colonized considerably faster than the rye. so i think popcorn is more contam resistant and faster colonization. i also find it pretty easy to get the right moisture through overnite soak then simmer. it just goes to show u everyones different. if ur really serious about this as a hobby ur gunna get it right eventually
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: scatmanrav]
#5087800 - 12/20/05 10:50 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice pictorial!
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: Tippinthru]
#5087811 - 12/20/05 10:53 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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myconaught..........you get the necromancy of the day award
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coda
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This is actually a thread thats ok to bring up from the dead!!
Myconaught- Glad to hear you've had success with popcorn, many dont, in fact out of all of the grains popcorn is the toughest to work with. I personally think you can't get any easier then WBS, 1/2 hr simmer, 1hr1/2 in the pc, overnight cool, and you're set! Keep up the good work tho man, drop by with some pictures in the future
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: coda]
#5087937 - 12/20/05 11:25 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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but... popcorn does not fruit as well. actually, i have not tried and have not seen any pictures of anyone fruiting popcorn? by itself....
it's used for spawn, but does anyone have or seen any pics of just fruiting it?
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: Oatman2000]
#5087974 - 12/20/05 11:34 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well....yah, that's kind of what i was getting at with the "popcorn is the hardest grain to work with" comment. Popcorn is just a bitch to work with, but, if you can get it to work consistently go for it i say. Whatever floats your boat and puts mushrooms in your hands!
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: coda]
#5094238 - 12/22/05 02:50 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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so where shall one obtain Rye, grocery store? health food?
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health food stores carry rye grains but will most likely charge you out the ass for it. Anytime you see the word organic in front of a food product you know its gonna cost you. Go to a feed store, they have bulk grains for relatively cheap. You can get 20-50 lb bags for 20-40 dollars.
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: coda]
#5094492 - 12/22/05 03:50 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah. At a health food store, your going to pay alot for just a little. Feed stores and such should be okay.
Damn this got brought up from a while ago. Where is scat anyways? Haven't seen any posts from him....
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: Anonymous]
#5094516 - 12/22/05 03:59 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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i like to mix popcorn and rye/birdseed jars when i case. it fruits amazingly. i think by having two seperate substrates mixed u get the best nutrient base. i put down a layer of wet vermiculite, 1 colonized jar of 2 parts rye one part birdseed(or just rye) and then a jar of popcorn on top of that. cover with another layer of verm and ur good to go. this is all done in cake pans in a perlite chamber and the jars are quart size. Id post pictures if i could but i got no camera. maybe ill get lucky and get one for chrismas. cheers everyone
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i get organic rye from the health food store for like 80cents per pound. that meets or beats coda's figure for the feed store. so theres no rule that the health store is going to rape you on rye like they do with all of their other products. check the feed store and the health store and then see which is cheaper and which is more convenient.
still, it doesnt look as weird getting 30lbs of rye from a feed store, but the health food people always look at me weird when i empty the rye bin.
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.80 cents a pound is insanely too much! Good grief! lol! Damn! You can hit up a feed store for a 50lb. bag in the $12 range...
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: Hotnuts]
#5095085 - 12/22/05 06:32 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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GREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT write up, i will try soon enough
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TheStudent
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i pay $11.50 for 20 pounds of Rye Berries. Special ordered from my local health food store.
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: TheStudent]
#5161302 - 01/10/06 01:41 AM (18 years, 22 days ago) |
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At my local market they have lots of bulk food items in big containers. I bought 5 pounds of rye for 3 bucks or so. I think it was 74 cents a pound. Look around for bulk food suppliers.
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: Hotnuts]
#5161907 - 01/10/06 09:16 AM (18 years, 21 days ago) |
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People never cease to amaze me, hotnutz.
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Oatman2000
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Re: How scatman does grain. [Re: mogur]
#5162091 - 01/10/06 10:27 AM (18 years, 21 days ago) |
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old thread, but when i buy rye berries from the health food store, they all contam.
seems liek they have some sort of chemical, or have been sprayed or something... even soaking/washing doesn't work.
I stick to WBS. it works for me!
(PS. i love the eggcrate pic scat! but there is NO WAY that hammer pic is real! i've noticed that i can't see the end of the hammer.... makes a great pic anyway! you got awesome fruits! )
(Pss. Scat please come back! haven't seen ya in a while!
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