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OfflineKilgrin
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pf tek dead - Magash grain tek in!!!
    #3068858 - 08/30/04 01:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i think the magash tek should be the new "standard" pf tek i think is actually harder than mag's grain tek. The first parts are way easier, taking same grain, soaking it and pressure cooking it is a lot easier then mixing up your brf, verm, water and sterlizing it. For noobs, they could have the wrong ratios etc, which would then make colinization go slower, or not happen at all. The grain colonizes way faster and is more fool proof. The only problem (for noobs) is that you have to case it. Sure this is a little more work, but a 50/50 tek is not all that hard. I am wondering if anyone has tried dumping grain straight into some tupperware and seeing if it would grow? I am probably going to try this. If it works then there would be absolutly NO reason for the pf tek. The grain tek is easier, produces more, and takes less time.


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Re: pf tek dead - Magash grain tek in!!! [Re: Kilgrin]
    #3068881 - 08/30/04 01:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know if it would work... the casing protects the myc layer from contams and adds the humidity needed to grow shrooms. Even if it does work, how hard is it to dump the grain out and dump some wet verm on top? But yeah... the rye does seem easier then the pf tek and produces much more.


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Re: pf tek dead - Magash grain tek in!!! [Re: Kilgrin]
    #3068910 - 08/30/04 01:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I agree... except for one thing.

Mag's TEK requires a PC... sure, every mycologist should have one... but the pf tek can be done without.


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Re: pf tek dead - Magash grain tek in!!! [Re: Kilgrin]
    #3068912 - 08/30/04 01:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

PFTek is a separate tek in of itself even suggesting that this tek be replaced is at the very least disrespectful to a man that brought home cultivation into our homes by the masses. One word: Wow!


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Re: pf tek dead - Magash grain tek in!!! [Re: hyphae]
    #3069094 - 08/30/04 02:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You dont even need to case grain, fill your jars 1/3-1/2 full and fruit invitro


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Re: pf tek dead - Magash grain tek in!!! [Re: Kilgrin]
    #3069109 - 08/30/04 02:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes you can fruit straight grains.
The casing is not absoulte but, It does help alot with second and thrid fruitings. The casing tears up when you harvest. Without casing you tear up the Myc and grains.

The other reason to use a casing is the fact that shrooms grow from the ends of the ropy looking Myc. And that type of myc is what grows up thru the casing material.It reaches out for light and humidity. The casing is filled with ropy myc. and that is what you want. :grin:


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Re: pf tek dead - Magash grain tek in!!! [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3069167 - 08/30/04 02:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The real reason for casings are a water reservoir and added benefit of a humid microclimate which aids in pin development thus improving yields substantially. IMHO :wink:


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Re: pf tek dead - Magash grain tek in!!! [Re: hyphae]
    #3069177 - 08/30/04 02:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes and what I said above dude. There are 3 types of myc. and only rysopic myc make shrooms.  :laugh: And rysopic myc is the only type to grow thru non-nutreious stuff


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Re: pf tek dead - Magash grain tek in!!! [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3069184 - 08/30/04 02:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No, thats not true.


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Re: pf tek dead - Magash grain tek in!!! [Re: Loki]
    #3069195 - 08/30/04 02:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It is true shrooms grow from ropy myc. I have several books to back that up.


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Re: pf tek dead - Magash grain tek in!!! [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3069233 - 08/30/04 03:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Not true! rhizomorphic is more prone to pinning yes. You need to learn your shit a little better bro before you make certain statements. Many mushrooms do not produce rhizo growth in their species yet flush. Thats just too bold a statement sorry :frown: Stroma (veg only) is a type of growth not necessarily tomentose, there is Linear growth which can produce pins abundantly and there are tomentose strains (non-cubies) that produce mushrooms although not as prolifically as a good rhizomorphic growth agreed.


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Re: pf tek dead - Magash grain tek in!!! [Re: hyphae]
    #3069246 - 08/30/04 03:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well when I come accross arguments like these I put up my hands and give up. It sounds like you know your shit. So do I But YOU WIN :thumbup: :cool:And  besides we are talking about cubies anyway :rolleyes:


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Re: pf tek dead - Magash grain tek in!!! [Re: Kilgrin]
    #3069266 - 08/30/04 03:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

>Yes and what I said above dude. There are 3 types of myc.

No offense, but please remember what this website was meant for :wink:

Correct me if I'm wrong.

There are three different types of mycelium, tomentose which is cottony, and rhizomorhpic which is the ropy kind, the third type is linear mycelium, which is sort of an in-between type.

>and only rysopic myc make shrooms.

Stamets claims that rhizomorphic mycelium forms the most primordia, but its is surely not the only type that does, there are people on the shroomery that say tomentose mycelium can fruit almost as well as rhizomorphic mycelium.

>And rysopic myc is the only type to grow thru non-nutreious stuff

Again, this is also not true, they all do, but non-nutritional substrate encourages tomentose mycelium :smile:

>pf tek dead - Magash grain tek in!!!
Don't even think it :wink: PF got us all started :laugh:

Erik006 :laugh:


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Re: pf tek dead - Magash grain tek in!!! [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3069286 - 08/30/04 03:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So true, cubies rule and I thank the professor for his contributions They will not be pushed aside or forgotten if I have anything to say about it!!! Although there is room for a couple of improvements :wink: :tongue:


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Re: pf tek dead - Magash grain tek in!!! [Re: hyphae]
    #3069290 - 08/30/04 03:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

hyphae said:
PFTek is a separate tek in of itself even suggesting that this tek be replaced is at the very least disrespectful to a man that brought home cultivation into our homes by the masses. One word: Wow!




kramer agrees ...wow :mad2: :undecided: :enraged: :shake: :cussing:  :wtf: :noway: :nonono: :crying: :crying: :shiftyeyes: :moon: :whistling:  :shrug: :whatever: :rotfl: :rastamon: :twirlyface: :whack:

kramer says he fruited a rye/verm cake just to see what would happen :crazy2:
he said the first flush kinda sucked with only about a dry gram but the second flush kicked out a nice 3 dry grams and the third is looking even better
  :shrug: :whatever: :rotfl: :rastamon: :twirlyface: :whack: :drunk: :fire: :fork: :goombah: :gonzo: :headbanger: :hypno: :jesus:


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Re: pf tek dead - Magash grain tek in!!! *DELETED* [Re: Kilgrin]
    #3069338 - 08/30/04 03:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: pf tek dead - Magash grain tek in!!! [Re: woodzmun]
    #3070460 - 08/30/04 08:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i am not knocking the pf tek or anything like that, i started with it, as i know most ppl did, i am just saying the grain tek should become the new "standard" the pressure cooker is a good issue though, if you cant spring the money for a pressure cooker then i guess you would have to go with the pf tek.


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Re: pf tek dead - Magash grain tek in!!! [Re: Kilgrin]
    #3070900 - 08/30/04 10:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

getting the water content right in grains is more difficult then following an exact recipe which always comes out right.

PF tek is still the first step for noobs. The dry verm layer owns contams, no pc needed, exact recipe's and instructions. Its all there. Magash's tek is great but grains are not going to be the first step for most people.


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Re: pf tek dead - Magash grain tek in!!! [Re: phucknut68]
    #3070923 - 08/30/04 10:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Water content in any grain is as follows. 24 hour soak and then simmer on med heat until grains start to split open. Drain very well and fill jars.

This works with any grain, everytime. Very easy No problems :thumbup: :grin:


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Re: pf tek dead - Magash grain tek in!!! [Re: Kilgrin]
    #3070930 - 08/30/04 10:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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