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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 2
    #28356317 - 06/11/23 10:24 PM (7 months, 13 days ago)

Very helpful! Much appreciated!


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: mycolojay] * 1
    #28376010 - 06/27/23 01:10 AM (6 months, 29 days ago)

Alright, went for it with oats. Ball 450ml jars.
Noticed 1 1/3c was way too much.. so went for 1cup. Which was also a bit too much, but I'm going agar to grain, so decided to try anyway.

The jars are 245gr.. 1 cup of oats up to 398gr.. with 131ml of water total weight 524gr. I did all jars exactly the same. PC for 1,5h. The grains on top look under hydrated, the grains at the bottom mush.


As the jars are too full to shake, I decided to keep them upside down, I hope some moisture will gets absorbed by the dry top grains. Ofcourse I couldn't fit jars on their side.. forgot and tried anyway.. heard water trickling and noticed my mistake. So 5 jars have been sitting overnight and are partially hydrated.. I gave them a good shake and processing them now. Curious to do a side by side and see if the grains come out the same or not.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: 0t0lerance]
    #28376023 - 06/27/23 01:41 AM (6 months, 29 days ago)

I do this with oats in 1 quart jars, I fill the jar about half way with dry grain, add boiling water, and let them sit from 20 minutes to 12 hours, shaking them up after adding water and before putting into PC. I usually have enough room to shake up the grain after the PC or do that shaking twisting motion with your wrist to get all the grains even. after a day the moisture all balances out great.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Glomus]
    #28376674 - 06/27/23 03:21 PM (6 months, 28 days ago)

Thank you so much Ot0 for trying this method, I'm sorry it didn't work quite like you wanted. Oats may be my favorite because they are easy to low-prep, usually. I'm surprised 1 1/3C dry oats was too much for a quart jar.  Forgive me for asking any dumb or redundant questions.

They are regular whole oats? They look like they are.

1 US quart jar is = to 946.353 ml, is your jar big enough?

175ml water per jar?

I'm really confused by this one, oats usually cooperate better. The less hydrated grains towards the top is normal. If you could have shaken, it'd be better, obviously but the grains should still work ok. I don't like that you can't shake and may consider dumping some grain right before adding the agar wedge?


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
    #28377300 - 06/28/23 03:06 AM (6 months, 28 days ago)

I think the confusion is that the column in your original post is labeled pint, not quart.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Imatryin]
    #28377336 - 06/28/23 04:53 AM (6 months, 28 days ago)

Yeah although on page 3 you, Yoshi, use a quart, I did read every page and thought I would try 1/3 less.. but it should have been 3/4 cup for agar wedges instead of 1 cup.. so I don't have any room to shake at the moment.. but it's ok, I have reishi on it.. and that stuff grows fast. They are whole oats yes. The ratio should be the same.. 240/320 * 175 = 131ml for 1 cup oats. I did that...

Now I think about it, maybe the oats were more hydrated that they should be.. I recall some rain dripped on the bag in the past, so that could have messed it up. Also the oats hydrated overnight in the jars and shaken were more burst than the non-hydrated grains.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: 0t0lerance]
    #28377767 - 06/28/23 12:25 PM (6 months, 27 days ago)

Thank you Imatryin, I've reread the original post many times yet somehow didn't notice that!

Thank you Ot0, it still has me scratching my head, I've been running a lot of oats and WBS lately and the oats come out just fine. It really has me curious what could be different. I would guess if your grains in the bag had been rained on they might mold or sprout?

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Alright, went for it with oats. Ball 450ml jars.




Dang it Ot0, I just went back and reread your post. In the second sentence, it looks like I screwed you up by having my column mislabeled! For that size of jar, it should be 2/3C grain to 87.5ml water. These are the size of jars I run for spawn too. If you are up for it, please give it one more try. Leaving them to sit in you PC before of after you run them, shouldn't be a problem either.

Reishi will definitely munch through that last batch!

L-R MexA & bisporus recovering from shake, Claketi and MexA after G2G, all oats.



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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
    #28386225 - 07/05/23 04:56 PM (6 months, 20 days ago)

I want to give this a shot.  It’s hot and I’d rather only one heating cycle in the kitchen

Question on oats - is 1.5 cups a dry measuring cup or a liquid measuring cup?

I use SSLC, so if I understand correctly, it’s 1.5 cups oats and 190ml of water?

Thanks - I hope this works!


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Bobgas] * 1
    #28386484 - 07/05/23 10:11 PM (6 months, 20 days ago)

Thanks for giving it a try Bobgas! Use dry measuring cups for the grains.

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
    #28386659 - 07/06/23 02:49 AM (6 months, 20 days ago)

Very interesting and saves a lot of time, and the kitchen don't need to be sealed off for the rest of the family!
Thank you, will try this next time πŸ„


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Shromolo]
    #28386901 - 07/06/23 09:35 AM (6 months, 19 days ago)

Good luck Shromolo, it is a huge time saver,  I hope it goes smoothly for you!


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
    #28387659 - 07/06/23 08:39 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

Awesome, thanks!  Just have to find the window of time to make it happening.  I’ll let you know how it goes…


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Bobgas]
    #28387853 - 07/07/23 01:52 AM (6 months, 19 days ago)

Would love to do this for soy beans.. prepped them yesterday. Soaked 7h, pc for 10min for max hydration, air dried. Then PC for 1,5h.. but the bains shrunk and the moisture collected on the bottom the jar .. the beans also turned a brown color..:confused: not sure if I can use it now for cordyceps.. probably messed something up there.. maybe I'll first soak them for 7h.. then quick boil, evap and and then pc them, I don't know. Ah well.. quick update on the oats.. reishi is gradually working it's way down.. but it's slow:


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: 0t0lerance]
    #28388292 - 07/07/23 11:13 AM (6 months, 18 days ago)

Reishi is tough!

Sorry, no low-prep for beans or corn, maybe someday?


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
    #28389561 - 07/08/23 05:24 PM (6 months, 17 days ago)

Just finished running 16 qt jars of oats for 2.5 hours.  I plan to let them sit until the morning in the PC - can’t wait to see how they look.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Bobgas]
    #28399439 - 07/18/23 06:44 AM (6 months, 7 days ago)

I'm considering trying this with rye.
Does rye need rinsing generally?


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: CorteX_]
    #28399503 - 07/18/23 08:51 AM (6 months, 7 days ago)

Rye should not need rinsing, good luck Coetex!


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer]
    #28399579 - 07/18/23 10:12 AM (6 months, 7 days ago)

Thanks! They're in the PC now, will update later :smile:


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: CorteX_] * 1
    #28400227 - 07/19/23 01:15 AM (6 months, 7 days ago)

I tried rye. And they came out well, thx Yoshi. This is a game changer.
What I did was measure as well as I could 158ml of oats and checked the weight.. same for water measured exactly 116ml.. apparently my scale was off as 116ml was not 116gr.. so I went with what every weight I ended up with.. e.g.
jar empty = 266gr + grain = 394gr + water = 524gr.. and did that for all jars. Worked great :strokebeard:


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: 0t0lerance] * 1
    #28400267 - 07/19/23 02:54 AM (6 months, 7 days ago)


Not the most aesthetically pleasing, but that's some happy looking grain!
I shook them up while still hot to redistribute the grains and moisture like I always do when doing no prep millet.
Will nocc these tonight. Looking good so far.


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