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Offlineshirley knott
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grain poll
    #2201010 - 12/25/03 04:28 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

grain still causes me grief - i've tried several brands of birdseed from petshops and garden centres, and several ways of preparing it: still i wear my fingers to the bone each time i prepare jars, as it often appears too wet or too dry.

in the UK we don't have the big-name brands available in -marts in 20kg bags, just small packs from local companies (or can any UK growers perhaps recommend me a great brand available in a chainstore that works every time?). so what do you guys all do?

i want to give this poll a few days in the cultivation forum before moving it, if someone insists, to the poll forum. merry xmas shroomerites  :tongue:
do you use grains?
You may choose only one
no
yes, rye
yes, birdseed / millet
yes, popcorn
how do you prepare them?
You may choose only one
pc dry grain + water
soak then pc
simmer then pc
soak and simmer then pc
even more complex then that - adding water after draining and loading the jars .... then pc


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Re: grain poll [Re: shirley knott]
    #2201242 - 12/25/03 09:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The key is to have the outside of the grain very dry, with all the moisture on the inside. It doesn't matter if it's rye, birdseed, or popcorn. Try a 24-48 hour soak in water at room temperature to germinate any bacterial endospores, followed by a 10-20 minute boil. This should hydrate any grain except popcorn, which usually likes to boil for an hour. The size of the kernals tells when it's ready. Drain into a collander and allow to drain for a few minutes. Now, this is important; As the steaming hot grain sits in the collander, shake it up and around so the steam evaporates off the kernals. It will only take a few minutes of this, and the kernals will be bone dry on the outside. Load jars and PC for the regular amount of time. For rye or popcorn, I use 2 hours, 20 minutes. This seems to work everytime.


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Re: grain poll [Re: shirley knott]
    #2201267 - 12/25/03 09:53 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

the first time i tried grains i used a generic brand 'budgie mix'.....bacterial contams in every jar.
second time around i used WBS from the same generic company...100% success.
i used the 24 hour soak method both times and pc'd for 1 hour.
as starter said to me at the time 'it's just a case of finding a grain mix that works for you'.

good luck and i'm sure you'll have it figured out soon.


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Re: grain poll [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #2201268 - 12/25/03 09:54 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Nice, Roger Rabbit, nice seeing you here, read your straw log tek on nansnook just a bit ago. Nice job bud. If you ever have time you should make a really nice pictoral faq for here. I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate it.


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Re: grain poll [Re: shirley knott]
    #2201321 - 12/25/03 10:52 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

how do your fingers get worn to the bone?


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Re: grain poll [Re: Fcuerkt]
    #2201379 - 12/25/03 11:54 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I stopped using it because its just a PITA.  It colonizes slower and results in more contams and a wider variety of contams for me.  IMO its way easier and for the most part, cheaper, to use regular LGBR, not ground or anything, just cooked with 3/4 of the regular water reccomended and then PC for like 40 mins at 15 psi. I've never had one of those jars contam on me.....why fix it if its not broke :smile:  Merry X-mas.
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Re: grain poll [Re: shirley knott]
    #2201416 - 12/26/03 12:26 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I luckily live near a bulk pet food store. I buy 50 pound bags of pure white millet for $10.

I'll rinse, soak, rinse, soak, rinse over a period of a good 12 hours, then pc them after they have drip dried for about 20 minutes. I rarely get contamination!

I think rinsing is very important with birdseed/millet.


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Re: grain poll [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #2201806 - 12/26/03 09:37 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

thanks all, especially roger for the insights  :thumbup:
oh, and *bump* to the top again  :laugh:

here's some birdseed i prepared on christmas day - draining after a 30 minute simmer






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Re: grain poll [Re: shirley knott]
    #2201983 - 12/26/03 12:41 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I mainly use millet from "pets at home" or any of those large
pet stores you get all over the U.K, comes in 1, 2, 5, and 15 kilo bags.
sold as budgie food. Very cheap, very uniform, I find
if you stick to the same brand, you get to know its abilities over
time, which makes things easyer.


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Re: grain poll [Re: shirley knott]
    #2202134 - 12/26/03 02:09 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

three words - Hawks Magic Formula

its the shit, fruit em as double end cased cakes in a PMP.
huge fruits with ease.


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Re: grain poll [Re: shirley knott]
    #2202195 - 12/26/03 03:05 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Finch seed(WBS)
:smile:
never had a problem and I got 100% success on my first try, soaked, risned , drained , loaded , PCed  , BINGO :smile:

(keep in mind I am NEW to WBS and finch seed worked great my first time, second time should be in  a cople of days)


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Re: grain poll [Re: shirley knott]
    #2202260 - 12/26/03 03:53 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Here's some millet prepared today.

12 hour soak.

I dont like to cook my seed !!



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    #2202403 - 12/26/03 05:37 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: grain poll [Re: OldSpice]
    #2202440 - 12/26/03 06:01 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

yes, and was that with or without a simmer? the poll is on about 50% for soak / soak 'n' simmer.....

/sigh

it's not that interesting, is it? and when i drain the fucking stuff, in a sieve, it never drains properly. you can always still see water near the bottom of the sieve, even after hours in there. that bastard sieve.

/grumble

this thread sucks, i hate it. damn christmas  :mad: thanks for trying to feign interest. the only interesting thing to come out of it was how many different ways there are to prep grain (yawn)


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Re: grain poll [Re: shirley knott]
    #2202490 - 12/26/03 06:47 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

This has worked for popcorn, wild bird seed and cracked corn...

Soak grains overnight (24 hours) in water. After this is done, boil the grain gently for approximatly one hour, more if you feel like it. Drain the grains and spray with hot water to rinse off any growing bacteria and "Grain slime". Load into jars, PC. Enjoy.


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Re: grain poll [Re: shirley knott]
    #2203527 - 12/27/03 07:34 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

shirley knott said:
in the UK we don't have the big-name brands available in -marts in 20kg bags, just small packs from local companies (or can any UK growers perhaps recommend me a great brand available in a chainstore that works every time?). so what do you guys all do?



Screw big name brands.. buy it straight from the farmer! Me and a few others use millet from http://www.soarmillseeds.co.uk
At ?13.75 (including P&P) for 25 kilos of near enough organic grain you can't go wrong :smile: Mycelium loves it aswell..

I always use the foolproof tek for preparation and it never fails.. just have to do a few test jars to start with to find the best water levels to use for the grain you have.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=644625&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1


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Re: grain poll [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #2208984 - 12/30/03 02:40 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Load jars and PC for the regular amount of time. For rye or popcorn, I use 2 hours, 20 minutes. This seems to work everytime.




after 90 mins in the PC my water is all evaporated. if I were to pc it for another hour without the water in the PC wont that be a bad thing? do you add more water in the PC to acount for the loss of water?

thanks

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Re: grain poll [Re: ]
    #2209168 - 12/30/03 05:04 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)


zero
doing popcorn as we speak. i usually let the popcorn soak for 24 - 48 hours, simmer for about 1 hour,strain for about a half hour and then pc for 70 - 90 minutes.soaking the popcorn for 24 hours plus helps since it has such a hard exterior. I also soak WBS 24 hours and simmer for about a half hour, then pc for 60 minutes.


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Re: grain poll [Re: shirley knott]
    #2209537 - 12/30/03 09:44 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

shirley knott said:
grain still causes me grief - in the UK we don't have the big-name brands available in -marts in 20kg bags, so what do you guys all do?





Shirley, check in the health food stores and bulk food stores if they are available in UK to find alternatives to bidseed, any grain will work.

My method comes from quite a bit of research, not my own as I'm to lazy, regardless of the grain I use I soak, simmer and soak a little more, drain and PC. Some of the endospores wont greminate until they reach 180F/83C. with dense grains liike popcorn I boil it for an hour or 2 and allwo the grans to split open


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