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JW123
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Giving this a go with a few jars of WBS because I didn't prep enough grain. I'll let you know how it goes.
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YoshiTrainer
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: JW123] 1
#28540147 - 11/12/23 11:46 AM (2 months, 14 days ago) |
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Good luck JW123! After adding water to your jars, if you give them a swirl and mix the sunflower seeds back into the mix, it'll make the shake easier later on.
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] 1
#28540219 - 11/12/23 12:22 PM (2 months, 14 days ago) |
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I think I settled on 60% water for oats. Little to no mush or burst grains.
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YoshiTrainer
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Gotta love oats, glad you found your sweet spot.
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer]
#28540343 - 11/12/23 01:34 PM (2 months, 14 days ago) |
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YoshiTrainer said: Gotta love oats, glad you found your sweet spot.
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JW123
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I like how they turned out. I was eating dinner with my in-laws so they sat in the pressure cooker longer than I would have liked. I also suck at following directions so I didn't weigh anything before I rinsed. The bottom grains were a little bit of a puck, but I got it broken up. I am going to say it was mostly operator error. Here is one of the jars. I will update with how colonization goes.
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: JW123]
#28543019 - 11/14/23 05:50 PM (2 months, 12 days ago) |
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Good job JW123! I'm surprised how little millet is in your WBS compared to mine.
Please report back if you have time.
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] 1
#28543036 - 11/14/23 06:02 PM (2 months, 12 days ago) |
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Thank you! Great documentation!
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] 1
#28543083 - 11/14/23 06:39 PM (2 months, 12 days ago) |
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Oh yeah, it is the deluxe brand from a small chain called Rural King. Same price as Pennington, but less millet and seems cleaner.
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: JW123] 1
#28543106 - 11/14/23 06:51 PM (2 months, 12 days ago) |
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Pros: this tek kicks ass! Love the chart you made and all the calculations you put into it!
Cons: makes my bulk grain dryer I literally just made obsolete 🥲 might have to play around with this and then turn my grain dryer into a fruit dehydrator or something lol.
Appreciate this man
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: SupaThaRipper]
#28543336 - 11/14/23 09:07 PM (2 months, 12 days ago) |
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Thank you Supa! With all the time you'll save, you'll have more time to dehydrate fruit or mushrooms! 😀
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] 1
#28551331 - 11/21/23 09:32 AM (2 months, 5 days ago) |
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Gonna give this a shot in a couple of hours Yoshi! I really hope it'll work out because it'll save me so so so much time now that I'm scaling up. I use a 50/50 mix of rye and oats for my grains so I'll be guesstimating the amount of water I'll use. I'll also add a teaspoon of gypsum for good measure. I expect the initial tryout to be pretty wack because I'm kind of testing the water content. But I mean if it doesn't end up as a puck at the bottom I call it a massive win. 
I'll keep y'all updated!
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Throwaway] 1
#28551375 - 11/21/23 10:17 AM (2 months, 5 days ago) |
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That is awesome Throwaway, good luck!
For a quart jar 2/3C oats to 87.5 ml/g water 2/3C rye to 115 ml/g water
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] 2
#28551656 - 11/21/23 02:27 PM (2 months, 5 days ago) |
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Went pretty well I'd say! Used one and a half cup (my cup size isn't standard) and 200ml of water for a single quart. I'd say it's kind of on the dry side but you know how it is - we'll see tomorrow when it's cooled down if that's actually the case. There's some gunk on the bottom that's pretty stuck but I mean hey it's probably sterile and nutritious as hell. 
I've also added a single teaspoon of coffee to go with the teaspoon of gypsum because I'm a "I soak and simmer my grains in coffee and gypsum because I grow stones and stonesun told me so in his original guide which I've never been able to let go"-guy. Don't @ me 
All-in-all I call it a win.
Thanks Yoshi! 
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Throwaway] 1
#28551695 - 11/21/23 03:00 PM (2 months, 5 days ago) |
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Nice job Throwaway! You can let them cool completely in your PC then shake if you'd like. If you do need to pull them hot, let them cool in front of your FFU or in SAB if you can. I'm superstitious and worry about stuff getting sucked into the jars as they cool.
FWIW, you don't need gypsum or coffee but StoneSun had some incredible grows with them so obviously is doesn't hurt!
Good luck!
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] 2
#28551712 - 11/21/23 03:09 PM (2 months, 5 days ago) |
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Here are 1/2 gallon jars with the SC tampanensis from Sir P. On the left low prep RGS, on the right LP oats, both G2G on 10/23.
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] 1
#28551730 - 11/21/23 03:20 PM (2 months, 5 days ago) |
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YoshiTrainer said: If you do need to pull them hot, let them cool in front of your FFU or in SAB if you can. I'm superstitious and worry about stuff getting sucked into the jars as they cool.
Lol I have the exact exact same so I'm already kind of sketched out with this jar. Good call on letting it cool in the SAB. I'll probably let it cool down in the PC for the next run if you say they'll do fine!
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YoshiTrainer said: FWIW, you don't need gypsum or coffee but StoneSun had some incredible grows with them so obviously is doesn't hurt!
Yeah I know but I just can't help myself. I'm having consistently great results with my current coffee and gypsum method so removing it just feels wrong. Call it another superstition 
Thanks again my man!
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Throwaway]
#28600632 - 12/28/23 08:42 AM (30 days, 13 hours ago) |
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So, I’m almost ready to try this with my first ever grow. I’m planning to use WBS and an Instant Pot. If I’m understanding correctly, you keep the lid slightly loose and covered in foil while PC, right? Also, since the Instant Pot can’t quite make it to the required pressure, it would be advisable to let it go a little longer I think? I’m thinking 2.5 to 3 hours.
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Fezzgig] 1
#28600739 - 12/28/23 10:21 AM (30 days, 11 hours ago) |
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Hello Fezzgig, thank you for giving it a try! I use modified lids that have a hole drilled in them that gets stuffed w/Polyfil. I've not used solid lids and am not sure how well they'll work during colonization? I would definitely tighten the lids then back them off like a 1/4 turn.
I've also not used an instapot so I can't give you first hand advice but people do use them for making grain by running it longer. I think there is an instapot thread that might have the specific information you need?
BTW, WBS especially in bigger jars can be a pain to shake. If you can, after adding your water, before the instapot, give your jars a gentle swirl, trying to mix the sunflower seeds back into the mix. Also, after the grains cool, you'll need to smack the lid a few times to get the grain puck off the bottom of your jar before shaking. Do the best you can to break up the grains but don't worry if it is not perfect, the mycelium will colonize it.
Good luck and please report back how it goes!
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] 2
#28602702 - 12/29/23 08:06 PM (29 days, 2 hours ago) |
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An update on these guys, 3 bags of low-prep grains left without inoculation and stored for a year. All look fine, no contam, the cracked corn in the WBS is a little mushy though.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/editpost.php?Cat=0&Board=2&Number=28081167&page=0&what=showflat&vc=1
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