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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer]
    #28068658 - 11/25/22 11:10 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Thank you thank you thank you so much for all your hard work and knowledge you're sharing this is awesome


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: nobeer]
    #28068704 - 11/25/22 11:55 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Thank you for your kind words Nobeer, I hope it works as well for you and others as it does for me!

Good luck!


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer]
    #28068781 - 11/25/22 12:40 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Here is a quart of wheat, 1 1/3C grain to 200ml water, PC 90min, the gauge was 17-18psi and allowed to cool completely in the PC. Thankfully the jar didn't crack because I'm almost out of wheat. It was a piece of cake to break it up, only took like 3 whacks...... 😀

Wheat definitely needs to be added to the hot shake list with milo and WBS. It took me about 3 minutes of work and some cursing but I got it. Did I mention oats are easier? 😀

This is not directed at anyone specific, only added for information purposes.

Straight from the cold PC







A few whacks on the lid while rotating the jar gets the grain puck loose.



A combination of whacking the bottom sides and the top while rotating, gets the grain puck on it's side. Then it is on!



The grains stuck to the jar a bit.



After the G2G and another shake. Not bad for a cold jar and when the myc expands, I'll shake again.



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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
    #28068788 - 11/25/22 12:46 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

So I can follow directions, but Im just weak af :lol:  Thanks for the test yoshi but Ima stick to boiling my grains...


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: milkboy] * 2
    #28068795 - 11/25/22 12:51 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Selfie



Thank you again Milkboy for all your efforts, I really appreciate it! If you ever go back to oats, give it a try!


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
    #28075341 - 11/29/22 11:20 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Thank you for your second update SDO,

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28057352#28057352

I appreciate your input. I'm glad you found a way to cut even more time from your work day. I'd like to add that oats do not need a hot shake in jars or crumble in a bag. For bags, because of their pliability, you could get away with letting any of the grains listed above cool completely in your PC. Good luck!

Wheat pint jars G2G on 11/20, (L-R) sus looking Fp+, MS Starry Night, Subtropicalis



Oat pint jars G2G on 11/20 both Fp+



Wheat quart from 11/24, Caerulescens 'CN" (from dried grain)





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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
    #28076899 - 11/30/22 07:32 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Well, now, that definitely changes things a bit.  When the PCs (3x with 6 bags of ~1800 gr each) are at or below 1 psi, they are cooled and pulling some atmosphere into the containers, but still very hot ...  I open, immediately pull and seal bags.  Shaking the bags over and over a period of time (1-2 mins initial for each, maybe 3-4 times over 30 mins) is very time consuming and tedious.  So I'll trial overnight cool (as I do in other process) in the PCs, and trial side-by-side with soak/hotrinse/etc.  TY for the suggestion.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: SDO]
    #28077291 - 11/30/22 11:05 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

You are welcome SDO, I hope it works the way you need! This evening, I'm running small bags of rye and oats to set aside without adding mycelium. You have me curious about long-term storage vs contamination.

I'm also running a pint of wheat to test if slightly more water would make cold shaking easier.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer]
    #28081167 - 12/03/22 11:01 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Here are a couple bags of no-prep grains for longterm storage, without inoculation. Top to bottom, WBS, oats, rye. The grain prep was designed for immediate usage so this has me curious, thank you SDO.



A little more water to the wheat prep seemed to make it easier to cold shake. I'll do another run with just a touch more to see what happens.



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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
    #28081438 - 12/03/22 02:22 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Finally got around to freeing up some time to try this out today.

So, you say Millet  1 1/3C:160ml water for a pint but when I put the millet in the jars they are 3/4 plus full. How much will millet expand? Seems like there is going to be little room for a shake later.

All I have is pint jars right now and I'm pretty sure you weren't referring to do this in quart jars, right?


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Bajazly] * 1
    #28081456 - 12/03/22 02:34 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

been doing no prep for a long while, much better than prepping..i believe it's called "forced hydration".  the water turns to steam at such high temps and have nowhere to go but inside the grain.   

for rye, i add exactly 75% of water by weight.  works in bags and jars.  perfect everytime. for quart jars of rye, i'll add 8 ounces of dry rye grain and 6 ounces of water.  you also won't be extracting your nutrients and pouring them down the drain.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: trippleblack]
    #28081508 - 12/03/22 03:08 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Finally got around to freeing up some time to try this out today.

So, you say Millet  1 1/3C:160ml water for a pint but when I put the millet in the jars they are 3/4 plus full. How much will millet expand? Seems like there is going to be little room for a shake later.

All I have is pint jars right now and I'm pretty sure you weren't referring to do this in quart jars, right?




The 1 1/3C:160ml is for quart jars, for pints 2/3C:80ml. Good luck!

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been doing no prep for a long while, much better than prepping..i believe it's called "forced hydration".  the water turns to steam at such high temps and have nowhere to go but inside the grain.   

for rye, i add exactly 75% of water by weight.  works in bags and jars.  perfect everytime. for quart jars of rye, i'll add 8 ounces of dry rye grain and 6 ounces of water.  you also won't be extracting your nutrients and pouring them down the drain.




Thank you for your input Trippleblack. Rye is such a great all around grain, especially for no-prepping. I agree with your other points too, people making grain water agar certainly emphasizes your last sentence.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
    #28081526 - 12/03/22 03:21 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Gotcha. I'll adjust and into the PC in a couple hours. I have a couple plate pins I grew out I'm going to throw in 4 jars and see how they come out.

Thanks and I'll post up when something is happening.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Bajazly] * 1
    #28083535 - 12/04/22 04:35 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

This worked out pretty stellar but in each jar there is a large marble size chunk that won't break up. I let them cool overnight in the PC, would giving them a hot shake help with the clumps next time? or a little more water?

Don't think the myc will care but time will tell I guess.



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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Bajazly] * 1
    #28083609 - 12/04/22 05:22 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Great write up Yoshi and photos of different grain options! I will be trying this when the time comes :-)


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Cub3d]
    #28083748 - 12/04/22 06:34 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Those look great Bajazly, nicely done! For the "large marbles", hot shakes are a pain in the backside and I try to avoid them if possible. The marbles seem to happen when most of the grain is broken up and providing padding for the "marbles". Sometimes if too big, I can shake them to top of the loose grains then hard shake. If they are not large, dont worry, the mycelium will colonize them with no trouble. Then when you do your next shake, they will most likely break up. Maybe a pinch of gypsum or tiny amount of water might help too?

I can't wait to see what you do with them next!

Thank you Cub3d, I hope it goes smoothly for you!


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
    #28083922 - 12/04/22 08:02 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Thanks Yoshi. The padding from the other grains is a pain and I shook the ever loving shit out of them too. Tomorrow some agar wedges of a couple plate pins go in them. I'll hope for the break up on the next shake but if they colonize all will be good.

I'll post up some results in the near future. This was so easy to do and it will be the go to going forward.

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Bajazly] * 1
    #28094422 - 12/12/22 10:41 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

The quart of 'CN' caerulescens on wheat from here

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28068781#28068781

is looking ready for bulk. I gave it one shake midway.



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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer]
    #28094738 - 12/12/22 03:55 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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The quart of 'CN' caerulescens on wheat from here

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28068781#28068781

is looking ready for bulk. I gave it one shake midway.






Yoshi,

Have you considered posting a photo of this jar in this forum for critique?

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27187543

I think you may find the responses from TC's very informative.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: tedoro] * 1
    #28095070 - 12/12/22 08:01 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Hello Tedoro, the purpose of this thread is how no-prep grains work for me and hopefully others. People are welcome to try the ratios I have offered and report back here with their personal experiences, whether positive or negative. Though it did not work how he liked, I really appreciate Milkboy for the time and effort he took to try the prep before offering his personal experience. It has inspired me to fine tune the wheat prep.

As for the quart of Psilocybe caerulescens 'Chicon Nindo' on no-prep wheat, since the mycelium has a different appearance than cube myc, it might be more appropriate to post here

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24834839

Or here

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25874536

If you'd like to try any of the grain prep methods above and report back here with your first-hand experience, I welcome it.

If you'd like to post your caerulescens grows, the thread linked to above is a wonderful place.

Good luck!


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