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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer]
#28453466 - 08/31/23 11:05 AM (4 months, 25 days ago) |
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Yoshi, I hear you on the "I don't like to store the grains for an extended period of time."
I also should probably just leave them in the PC until I'm ready to use them.
One note about my puck - I just learned I shouldn't re-PC grains. I had a very small amount left over from before (hydrated and sterilized using a soak method), and I added that small amount to my Yoshi no prep tek jar. That may have contributed to creating my puck. Even if it did, I managed to get it broken up with a lot of shaking. I feel a lot better using this tek now.
To echo what NFG said, you almost 100% have to rinse WBS. My first and second round yoshi jars made my jars NASTY. Second attempt I rinsed; but, I didn't weigh and it was clump city due to the excess water (I just threw in another 165mL because I didn't read your note below)
Could you maybe edit that original post you made and add some notes to the WBS measuring part?
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WBS 2Tbsp:16ml 1 1/3C:165ml - SEE IMPORTANT NOTES BELOW
Wild Bird Seed (WBS): It's highly recommended that you RINSE this seed (few drops of dish soap recommended) before and use the weighing method described below, because it is starchy and dirty. This will reduce the chances of dirty, cloudy walls of the jar and clumping. Once the water is added in and weighed to spec, make sure you distribute the sunflower seeds by swirling. Some teks will say to remove the sunflower seeds; but, I would recommend leaving them in for two reasons. 1) The sunflower seeds help break up the puck. 2) In my experience, sunflower seeds don't harbor contam like people say. I've warmed up to WBS a lot lately. Give it a whack on the lid to get the grain puck loose then a good shake.
This would've saved a n00b like myself from 2 fails 😂
Just copy+paste that over. If you want to add a note for anyone wanting to remove the sunflower seeds, I've found it's easiest to get a 5 gallon bucket, load it in the sink, add the seed, fill the water directly into the bucket while stirring it with your hand (consider using a few drops of dish soap; just make sure to wash the soap off). Just keep filling and mixing until the water gets nice and dirty. Sunflower seeds float, so strain'em out with the strainer and dump the bucket water through your sink strainer (easy to do since the remaining WBS will sink). Doing that this time around made it so freaking easy working with WBS. Maybe do this twice, because both rounds for me had dirty water. A third time only helps, and if you used soap, make sure nothing indicates you still have soapy grains.
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] 1
#28474424 - 09/18/23 10:36 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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I like the no prep but... I used 1 1/3 cup of oats and 175ml of water. My quart jars were only half full after the PC cycle. What did I do wrong?  They looked good Well hydrated Very few burst grains
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Thank for giving it a try Prop122! Those measurements for oats leaves room to G2G. You could try 1 1/2C grain and about 197ml water for LC work.
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer]
#28474738 - 09/19/23 09:17 AM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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YoshiTrainer said: Thank for giving it a try Prop122! Those measurements for oats leaves room to G2G. You could try 1 1/2C grain and about 197ml water for LC work.
Good luck!
Thanks Yoshi. I was trying to upscale the measurements and came up with 210ml of water. I will go with your 197 recommendation as a I am doing the grain prep this morning.
BTW I am prepping the oats for inoculation with agar/myc.
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Good luck Prop 122, please let me know how it works for you!
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer]
#28474960 - 09/19/23 12:21 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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Hi Yoshi, I think I have messed up with the water ratio... And maybe extended the PC time too much.
Do we agree that's this jar is to wet and can't be used?
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer]
#28474973 - 09/19/23 12:31 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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YoshiTrainer said: Good luck Prop 122, please let me know how it works for you!
Hi Yoshi 1 1/2C oats but still not a myco quart. I am going to up the next one to 1 3/4 cup of oats. Your recommendation of 197 was spot on for hydration.
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You are right Traveled, that jar is forked! Either too much water to start or possibly a crack in the jar? If it'd help you, you can do the water by weight, 1ml water = 1 g. Hopefully it'll be better next time!
Dang it Prop122, sorry about that. Hopefully 1 3/4C will work the way you want and still leave room to shake. For 1 3/4C it should be about 230ml water.
Aren't oats so easy, thanks for the update!
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer]
#28475116 - 09/19/23 03:02 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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Been doing no prep millet with no issues except burst grains, so I'll lower the heat next time.
Back to oats til I get more millet :l
I'll try some of these recent measurements. Do you rinse the oats first? Mine are a bit dusty, how dusty were yours? Are there any other considerations required for dusty oats?
Also, for oats in quart jars do you do 2 hours? Or 90 mins? How long do you vent for?
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Huskies]
#28475153 - 09/19/23 03:40 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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Unless they are really bad, you shouldn't need to rinse the oats. If you do rinse, weigh your jars w/grains then rinse and drain in the jar. Then just top off with water until you reach the right weight.
For up to quart jars, 90 min @ 15psi is enough. I use a Presto and vent for around 10 min, usually until the "plunger" on the back of the lid starts to steam.
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer]
#28476793 - 09/20/23 05:48 PM (4 months, 5 days ago) |
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This works brilliantly. I just tested it for WBS using 165 mL and 150 mL with and without rinsing. I vastly preferred the 150 mL with rinsing. 165 looks like too much for me, and had quite a few broken grains. 150 looked perfect.
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Tiamo]
#28480145 - 09/23/23 03:49 PM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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That is great to hear Tiamo, I'm glad it went smoothly! I'll have to give the 150ml a try, so far for me, using the red bag of bird seed (Wagners?) 165ml has been good.
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] 1
#28480161 - 09/23/23 04:04 PM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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YoshiTrainer said: That is great to hear Tiamo, I'm glad it went smoothly! I'll have to give the 150ml a try, so far for me, using the red bag of bird seed (Wagners?) 165ml has been good.
Yea, every WBS is different of course so I encourage the reader to find their specific sweet spot.
My seemingly unbranded WBS contains: wheat, corn, milo, millet and sunflower seeds. It is listed as 123.31 grams of moisture and 878.68 grams of dry goods per kilogram.
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Tiamo] 1
#28482053 - 09/25/23 06:32 AM (4 months, 23 hours ago) |
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For reference, this is a macro photo I took about 24 hours after inoculation with 1 mL PE LC. If you zoom in you will notice some dust on the glass (outside), some starchy residu on the inside and some grains that looks wet pressed against the glass. This is the side where the LC was injected against the glass, without shaking.
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Tiamo]
#28482142 - 09/25/23 09:23 AM (4 months, 20 hours ago) |
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That was the 150ml jar? Looks good from here!
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer]
#28482188 - 09/25/23 10:01 AM (4 months, 19 hours ago) |
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Indeed, looks good. Apart from the literal stick that is in there on the top left.
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Tiamo]
#28482260 - 09/25/23 11:17 AM (4 months, 18 hours ago) |
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I bet the mycelium eats the stick too! 😀
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] 1
#28483741 - 09/26/23 01:57 PM (3 months, 30 days ago) |
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It better! Cause I did not rinse my oats!
The good ones from g2g Jar A look like this.

The Jar B ones are sketching me out but idk exactly. Cobweb? Just weird myc?

I don't think it's the prep cause the other jars look great.
Thanks for doing the required SNIENCE (tm) and breaking away from dogma!
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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: Huskies]
#28483788 - 09/26/23 02:33 PM (3 months, 30 days ago) |
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Maybe the jar B master had some funk hiding? Especia if all your G2Ged from Jar B looked similar.
Fingers crossed for the Jar A crew!
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