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Re: Christianity vs Jesus [Re: Peyote Road]
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That's a very interesting perspective about the gurus.


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Re: Christianity vs Jesus [Re: SpinScratch]
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SpinScratch said:
RJ Tubs 202 said:
Jesus said we should love our enemies, because the alternative, to hate, causes misery.

Jesus said we all sin, and we can be saved from our sin.

Buddha said we all suffer, and we can be saved from our suffering.

Ego-death / death of self (transcendence) is a common foundation of many spiritual teachings.


What did Jesus ever have to say about ego death or self transcendence?


Jesus replied, "Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again." John 3:3


Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it. Luke 17:33

Jesus's life can be seen as a metaphor for ego death and self transcendence. He is tortured, suffers death, descends to the underworld and then resurrects in glory. That is an allegory for self transcendence and renewal.


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Re: Christianity vs Jesus [Re: Peyote Road]
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is that so? So, has it happened for you then?

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Re: Christianity vs Jesus [Re: Peyote Road]
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and are you a-voiding the 'hell' thread in the forum 'spirituality and mysticism'. A poster claims 'Jesus' DID warn of 'Hell' and lists the verses which 'prove' so? Did you not claim somewhere that this is really Catholic propaganda? if not, how do you answer the verses he quotes. See you there?

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Re: Christianity vs Jesus [Re: zzripz]
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I have a couple posts in that thread. First of all, I don't think hell is propaganda. Hell is very real, eat too many mushrooms in a bad environment and you get a very real experience of hell. In fact a lot of things can lead to hellish states of existence. What I am saying is that the idea that after death, most of the world's population is going to suffer torture for never ending temporal time is based on a mistranslation of the Bible. The Jews had no such concept.


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Re: Christianity vs Jesus [Re: Peyote Road]
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but it very much has been used by christians!

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Re: Christianity vs Jesus [Re: Peyote Road]
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Peyote Road said:
In fact a lot of things can lead to hellish states of existence. What I am saying is that the idea that after death, most of the world's population is going to suffer torture for never ending temporal time is based on a mistranslation of the Bible. The Jews had no such concept.


Amen

The idea of the punishment of eternal damnation did not come from Jesus.

I asked a Christian recently if they notice some people are living in hell right now
on this planet and they looked at me like I was nuts. I guess that many people live in
misery is an aspect of life some people don't notice.

Likewise, the concept of heaven has been contaminated and bastardized.

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Re: Christianity vs Jesus [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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Hell is not some bad living situation in this life.  It is to be under the wrath of God for eternity, eternal conscious torment.

Now that is a hard doctrine.  Those who do not accept it refuse it because it doesn't jive with what they think God should be and how they think God should act.  They have created a false god with false attributes.  That is idolatry.

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Re: Christianity vs Jesus [Re: fivepointer]
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Well good thing you lucked out and just so happen to worship the correct god eh?


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Re: Christianity vs Jesus [Re: fivepointer]
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fivepointer said:
Hell is not some bad living situation in this life.  It is to be under the wrath of God for eternity, eternal conscious torment.

Now that is a hard doctrine.  Those who do not accept it refuse it because it doesn't jive with what they think God should be and how they think God should act.  They have created a false god with false attributes.  That is idolatry.


so I am guessing your great relish and certitude there is an everlasting Hell means you don't think your goin'

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Re: Christianity vs Jesus [Re: fivepointer]
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When someone speaks with passion about the wrath of eternal torment, I always smile.

It's another example of our tendencies towards lunacy  :smile:

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Re: Christianity vs Jesus [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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Don't hate the messenger.  I did not come up with it.

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Re: Christianity vs Jesus [Re: fivepointer]
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fivepointer said:
Don't hate the messenger.  I did not come up with it.


remind us then: who did come up with it?

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