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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: burgerbrain]
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burgerbrain said:
Sulfurshelfsean said:
Do I blame the Trump supporters for acting like violent thugs? Yes. You can hear a lady telling them not to choke him in the background. Who did he attack that makes you think that's an appropriate use of force to remove someone who is being disruptive? Animals...



LOL "Don't tase me bro"

The BLS moron deserved more than whatever he got.




"BLS"???!!  please tell me what that is supposed to stand for? "deserves more that whatever he got"? i think you are proving the points against you here. you are condoning violence.

qman said..

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Maybe 3 citizens were pissed off these idiots blocked a major highway for several hours the other day and it caused them a lot of stress and hardship?  That doesn't have to be race related.






well they werent doing that this time and it is not a homogenous organisation, people bring to it what they will.

I would question the tactic of shutting down a highway, feel free too. But the outrage against BLM isnt because of that. it was there before that act and after. If you are willfully blind to racism in this country then that is all you are. willfully blind.

Yes America has come a long way. If you walk home and its a long path, do you say "well, we've come a long way, thats good enough - i'll sleep under this bridge"

its come a long way but its not over yet.

whatever annoyance they cause, it does not mean its alright to shoot them.

its interesting that you are more ready to explain the reasons WHY someone would want to shoot them but in other threads you are willfully avoidant of reasons why islamic extremists would want to attack america... yes its ok to explain the reasons why someone did something without justifying it. but in this case you will always give the benefit of the doubt to white people. seems like a bias, no?


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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
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Sulfurshelfsean said:
So disrupting a political rally is grounds for physical assault or worse in your opinion. Nice.



So you didn't watch the video I posted.

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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: qman]
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On my phone and the plugin isn't working. You have a link I can click?


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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
burgerbrain said:
Sulfurshelfsean said:
Do I blame the Trump supporters for acting like violent thugs? Yes. You can hear a lady telling them not to choke him in the background. Who did he attack that makes you think that's an appropriate use of force to remove someone who is being disruptive? Animals...



LOL "Don't tase me bro"

The BLS moron deserved more than whatever he got.




"BLS"???!!  please tell me what that is supposed to stand for? "deserves more that whatever he got"? i think you are proving the points against you here. you are condoning violence.

qman said..

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Maybe 3 citizens were pissed off these idiots blocked a major highway for several hours the other day and it caused them a lot of stress and hardship?  That doesn't have to be race related.






well they werent doing that this time and it is not a homogenous organisation, people bring to it what they will.

I would question the tactic of shutting down a highway, feel free too. But the outrage against BLM isnt because of that. it was there before that act and after. If you are willfully blind to racism in this country then that is all you are. willfully blind.

Yes America has come a long way. If you walk home and its a long path, do you say "well, we've come a long way, thats good enough - i'll sleep under this bridge"

its come a long way but its not over yet.

whatever annoyance they cause, it does not mean its alright to shoot them.

its interesting that you are more ready to explain the reasons WHY someone would want to shoot them but in other threads you are willfully avoidant of reasons why islamic extremists would want to attack america... yes its ok to explain the reasons why someone did something without justifying it. but in this case you will always give the benefit of the doubt to white people. seems like a bias, no?



I stated very clearly those shooters need to be charged for their serious crimes, it's not justifiable regardless of how many highways they shut down.

"willfully blind to the racism in this country"

What about the massive disproportional amount of black on white violent crime?  What about Affirmative Action and quotas in the workforce?  There's plenty of racism coming from all sides if you want to be intellectually honest about the subject.

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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
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Sulfurshelfsean said:
On my phone and the plugin isn't working. You have a link I can click?



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/11/23/no-charges-for-alabama-protesters-removed-from-trump-rally-or-for-rally-goers-who-attacked-them/

BTW he's a confirmed nutjob with a long arrest record.

Edited by qman (11/25/15 11:50 AM)

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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
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Sulfurshelfsean said:
So disrupting a political rally is grounds for physical assault or worse in your opinion. Nice.



Yeah, actually it is, protesting outside the venue is allowed and actually encouraged. Inside is another story, that venue was rented, paid for, disrupting it is theft, and if he wouldn't leave peacefully, then he should be forced out by any means necessary


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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Yea, a bloods/crip style "jumping" was absolutely necessary, not letting security drag him out, like civilized peoplw.. As for that video, I'm really not seeing anything to change my thoughts on Trumps violent supporters. It took them a whole minute for them to start jumping him, so its justified? And somehow more than most people would give him? Trump supporters.are violent proles, straight out of 1984.


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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Tipote said:
burgerbrain said:
Sulfurshelfsean said:
Do I blame the Trump supporters for acting like violent thugs? Yes. You can hear a lady telling them not to choke him in the background. Who did he attack that makes you think that's an appropriate use of force to remove someone who is being disruptive? Animals...



LOL "Don't tase me bro"

The BLS moron deserved more than whatever he got.




"BLS"???!!  please tell me what that is supposed to stand for? "deserves more that whatever he got"? i think you are proving the points against you here. you are condoning violence.

qman said..

Quote:
Maybe 3 citizens were pissed off these idiots blocked a major highway for several hours the other day and it caused them a lot of stress and hardship?  That doesn't have to be race related.






well they werent doing that this time and it is not a homogenous organisation, people bring to it what they will.

I would question the tactic of shutting down a highway, feel free too. But the outrage against BLM isnt because of that. it was there before that act and after. If you are willfully blind to racism in this country then that is all you are. willfully blind.

Yes America has come a long way. If you walk home and its a long path, do you say "well, we've come a long way, thats good enough - i'll sleep under this bridge"

its come a long way but its not over yet.

whatever annoyance they cause, it does not mean its alright to shoot them.

its interesting that you are more ready to explain the reasons WHY someone would want to shoot them but in other threads you are willfully avoidant of reasons why islamic extremists would want to attack america... yes its ok to explain the reasons why someone did something without justifying it. but in this case you will always give the benefit of the doubt to white people. seems like a bias, no?



I stated very clearly those shooters need to be charged for their serious crimes, it's not justifiable regardless of how many highways they shut down.

"willfully blind to the racism in this country"

What about the massive disproportional amount of black on white violent crime?  What about Affirmative Action and quotas in the workforce?  There's plenty of racism coming from all sides if you want to be intellectually honest about the subject.




yeh i think you continue to prove my points of not understanding the nature of racism and the structural racism. black people are more likely to get arrested to go through the criminal justice system, and end up in prison, and not reach high levels of education, struggle to come back from criminal records and get a job, more likely to fall into poverty. Crime and violence and mental illness come together and so some people might be violent. with racism pervading all systems, a cycle of alienations and disenfranchisements do skew statistics...

however i would like to see your statistics on disproportionate violent crime of blacks on white because from what i can see that is not strictly true in the first place..

at least for homicide this is definitely not true- Trump's Pants on Fire tweet that blacks killed 81% of white homicide victims

it also depends what criteria is used for your statistics.

Black Crime Rates: Your Statistics Are Racist

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Regardless of the exact factors behind the incarceration gap, it is not some neutral, statistical fact that black people commit more crime. The gap is the result of numerous interacting factors, not the least of which is racism. Explanations of the incarceration gap as a result of black criminal propensity or insular cultural deficiencies are critically flawed, and by definition racist.




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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:



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violence is bad from anyone. i dont see particular violence in the first video, i see a guy pulling up signs. absolutely its very aggressive and perhaps vandalism? maybe. the guy who took the video said he got away with it because he was democrat.......

in the other video, i see people pushing very aggressively, i would call that violence yes. thats no good

then you posted the videos again..

so in comparison - in the situation in trumps place, they had the guy on the floor, choking him, surrounded by people kicking him, pushing him very violently. apparently they were calling them monkeys and niggers but i dont think that has been verified yet. frankly, i wouldnt be surprised by trump supporters.

there was also a latino rights group there but i dont think they got beaten.


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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: Tipote]
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"black people are more likely to be arrested"

Because they commit more crimes!!  I know the argument is that they are profiled more than others, but you don't get profiled for murder, rape, theft, physical and sexual assault, ect, these crimes have real victims.

http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/

"blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery"

"A black is 27 times more likely to attack a white"

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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: qman]
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qman said:
"black people are more likely to be arrested"

Because they commit more crimes!!  I know the argument is that they are profiled more than others, but you don't get profiled for murder, rape, theft, physical and sexual assault, ect, these crimes have real victims.

http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/

"blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery"

"A black is 27 times more likely to attack a white"




i think you are failing to understand my points. im not just talking about profiling, im talking about a racism at every level of society that creates the conditions for more poverty, more violence and more crime in a cyclical self-perpetuating way. next youre gna say blacks are just stupid thats why they are less likely to get through high school and into college, and ignore the conditions that promote such discrepencies and ineqaulity- poverty, and alienation breed crime, drug use,violence, mental illness, unemployment, poor educational attainment and therefore more poverty. This cycle i was talking about, it is self perpetuating AND continuous - then people like you look at black people and think - well the prisons are full of black people, black people commit alot of crime,...... wel there is only one simplistic conclusion i can draw from this!.............

Do you ask yourself.. WHY?


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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: Tipote]
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in the video, you can't hear any one calling him a "nigger" nice lie

typical lib, lying to make their case:rolleyes:


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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
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hostileuniverse said:
in the video, you can't hear any one calling him a "nigger" nice lie

typical lib, lying to make their case:rolleyes:




nice lie? it was claimed by them and as i said...

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apparently they were calling them monkeys and niggers but i dont think that has been verified yet



ill write shorter sentences for you in future incase that was the problem. I know concision is not my strength.


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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
qman said:
"black people are more likely to be arrested"

Because they commit more crimes!!  I know the argument is that they are profiled more than others, but you don't get profiled for murder, rape, theft, physical and sexual assault, ect, these crimes have real victims.

http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/

"blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery"

"A black is 27 times more likely to attack a white"




i think you are failing to understand my points. im not just talking about profiling, im talking about a racism at every level of society that creates the conditions for more poverty, more violence and more crime in a cyclical self-perpetuating way. next youre gna say blacks are just stupid thats why they are less likely to get through high school and into college, and ignore the conditions that promote such discrepencies and ineqaulity- poverty, and alienation breed crime, drug use,violence, mental illness, unemployment, poor educational attainment and therefore more poverty. This cycle i was talking about, it is self perpetuating AND continuous - then people like you look at black people and think - well the prisons are full of black people, black people commit alot of crime,...... wel there is only one simplistic conclusion i can draw from this!.............

Do you ask yourself.. WHY?



I do ask myself why blacks have the same problems no matter where they live in the world, it's always the same result.  I ask myself why they sold their own people into slavery, why they were the slaves and not the slave owners.

I ask myself why they lack- an emphasis on education, fathers taking responsible for their children, respect for women, a emphasis on a strong work ethic, fiscal responsibility, the ability to resist the need to immediate gratification, and the ability to take responsibility for their behavior without blaming others.

Why have so many other disadvantaged minorities in the US been so successful?  Maybe because they don't constantly dwell on the events of hundreds of years ago for their issues today and just focus on the future.

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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: qman]
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I do ask myself why blacks have the same problems no matter where they live in the world, it's always the same result.  I ask myself why they sold their own people into slavery, why they were the slaves and not the slave owners.

I ask myself why they lack- an emphasis on education, fathers taking responsible for their children, respect for women, a emphasis on a strong work ethic, fiscal responsibility, the ability to resist the need to immediate gratification, and the ability to take responsibility for their behavior without blaming others.



sigh, you are clearly a racist. i think you need to brush up on your history, your ambivalence towards it highlights your misunderstanding on key issues. Please, tell me what you know of blacks all over the world.

Acknowledgement is the first step to recovery.


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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
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I do ask myself why blacks have the same problems no matter where they live in the world, it's always the same result.  I ask myself why they sold their own people into slavery, why they were the slaves and not the slave owners.

I ask myself why they lack- an emphasis on education, fathers taking responsible for their children, respect for women, a emphasis on a strong work ethic, fiscal responsibility, the ability to resist the need to immediate gratification, and the ability to take responsibility for their behavior without blaming others.



sigh, you are clearly a racist. i think you need to brush up on your history, your ambivalence towards it highlights your misunderstanding on key issues. Please, tell me what you know of blacks all over the world.

Acknowledgement is the first step to recovery.



"you are clearly a racist"

Did I say something that was untrue?  No, but you just don't like hearing the truth, that doesn't make me a racist.

"misunderstanding of key issues"

You mean the excuses you provide for poor behavior and results in the year 2015.

"what you know of blacks all over the world"

Their behavior seems to be very consistent. :shrug:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime

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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: qman] * 1
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I think you're confusing the behavior of black people with the behavior of poor people.  :shrug:


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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I think you're confusing the behavior of black people with the behavior of poor people.  :shrug:



Lol, being poor is no reason to act like a thug, join a gang, or burn down your city because you're "protesting"

The majority of poor people in America are white, to not accept that there is a cultural difference is silly, just like with Muslims, it's the CULTURE


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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I think you're confusing the behavior of black people with the behavior of poor people.  :shrug:



It hardly explains the massive discrepancies we see between the cultures. :shrug:

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