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InvisibleSclorch
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Testing for Swaminess
    #1815561 - 08/15/03 01:28 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

How can you be sure that your guru/swami/master/spiritual leader is legit?

I suggest a rectal examination... but that's just me.


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Sclorch]
    #1815578 - 08/15/03 01:38 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

mental examination proves alot more effective when you have nothing better to do than hang out in a spiritual forum disrespecting people.


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Rastafari]
    #1815598 - 08/15/03 01:44 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

fuck you all


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Dogomush]
    #1815602 - 08/15/03 01:46 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

*puppy dog eyes* Me, too?


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Swami]
    #1815607 - 08/15/03 01:48 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

None of you have answered my question.

(if my answer is too distracting, just cover it up with your hand)

Thanks.


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Sclorch]
    #1815618 - 08/15/03 01:52 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

what exactly do you mean by "legit?"

faithful to his/her/its beliefs?


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Edited by eric_the_red (08/15/03 02:02 AM)


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: eric_the_red]
    #1815621 - 08/15/03 01:54 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, sure... whatever...

What makes them "not a phony"?
You know... how can you be sure your second mortgage is guaranteed to buy authentic spiritual insight?


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Sclorch]
    #1815628 - 08/15/03 01:56 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

light them on fire
if they don't burn they're legit


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1815637 - 08/15/03 01:58 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

LOL!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol:


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Sclorch]
    #1815649 - 08/15/03 02:05 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Uh, I thought this was a test for Smarmyness - nevermind...


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Sclorch]
    #1816023 - 08/15/03 05:12 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

If the teachings can be verified in some way, then the teacher is legit. If they can't be verified, it's impossible to tell. If they can't be verified and the teacher wants you to pay money anyway, then consider buying the Brooklyn Bridge from me instead. It's a much better investment, trust me on this!


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1816042 - 08/15/03 05:26 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

i suggest walking through india for years with nothing but a few clothes and begging for alms, and searching for a legit master...he'll reveal himself to ya

its a good place to start

eat mud if you get too hungry


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Rastafari]
    #1816123 - 08/15/03 06:35 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

In the article HOW TO RECOGNIZE ENLIGHTENMENT there is a story about the Buddha that goes like this:

When the Buddha was walking along the road to Benares following his post-Enlightenment pause he was approached by a wandering ascetic. According to the custom of the time the ascetic greeted him and asked who his teacher was or what doctrine he followed. The Buddha told the wanderling that he was "the Victor and Conqueror of the World, superior to gods and men, an All-Enlightened One beholden to no teacher." The wandering ascetic could see no hint of anything of the Buddha's nature and wandered off as wanderlings are oft to do, mumbling under his breath something like, "If it were only so!"

So even if you do meet an enlightened being, you may not know it.

And later on, the Buddha taught his followers to verify the truth through their own experience. In the Kalama Sutta he even recommended people to become skeptics:

Do not go upon what has been acquired by repeated hearing; nor upon tradition; nor upon rumor; nor upon what is in a scripture; nor upon surmise; nor upon an axiom; nor upon specious reasoning; nor upon a bias towards a notion that has been pondered over; nor upon another's seeming ability; nor upon the consideration, 'The monk is our teacher.'

And I think that's good advice. Not because Buddha said so, but because it works well for me too.


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Rastafari]
    #1816592 - 08/15/03 12:25 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

i suggest walking through india for years with nothing but a few clothes and begging for alms

As India is already crowded and it's resources overtaxed, should many Americans go there to beg? I think we need more people contributing materially rather than being parasitic. Being a leech seems quite selfish. (You work and provide for me as I only have time to focus on the "spiritual" world!)


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Swami]
    #1816622 - 08/15/03 12:41 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

He he he he. Good one Swami!


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Autonomous]
    #1816722 - 08/15/03 01:25 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

you guys obsess way too much over enlightenment.

who cares?

we should all just get together and share experience and learn from one another.

"enlightenment" is an ego thing. its really not even something to worry about.


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: ]
    #1816748 - 08/15/03 01:35 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

who cares?

As many here choose ideologies and teachings based on personalities claiming to be wise or enlightened men (and women), should there not be some way to validate them?

When you go to a doctor, you want to see a diploma and certification, Yet one's spiritual life, which is allegedly much more important, is oft times attached to the latest and most popular "teacher" or author.


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Swami]
    #1816760 - 08/15/03 01:41 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

good point.

validate the idealogies, not the person. the person who you learned from is pointless. information is pure, we arent responsible for it existing, we just 'know' and share it.

yes i want to see a diploma when i go to a doctor. but i think thats far more important than a spiritual teacher, or whatever.

i dont get it. its all an ego thing. the source of the information doesnt really matter. its what you do with it, whether its logical and sensible to you. learning and evolving. people seem to have forgotten that.

i dunno, im rambling. i never post here cuz i cant order my thoughts well enough, and my grammar skills are terrible. college should change that. whatever.


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Swami]
    #1816791 - 08/15/03 01:50 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

> When you go to a doctor, you want to see a diploma and certification

There is no accreditation board for spiritual leaders... probably because there is no way to verify that a spiritual leaders faith is valid or not... nobody that I know has come back to life with tangible proof that their faith system is the correct one.

> How can you be sure that your guru/swami/master/spiritual leader is legit?

Anybody that tries to teach others is a victim of their own ego at best, or simply a con artist at worst.  I have been guilty of this myself, as many of us have.  Nobody can say with 100% certainty that their system is the correct one.  The louder somebody shouts that they know the secrets of truth, the faster I run away from them.

> I suggest a rectal examination...

Perhaps a bit messy, but as good of a method as any.  :grin:

If your question is serious, here is my recommendation... look for people that are happy in everything that they do.  People that don't try to force their own methods upon anybody else.  People that are reluctant to 'share their secrets' with others.  People that would never claim to be able to teach or show you the way.  Emultate these people and find within yourself what they have already discovered.


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: ]
    #1816792 - 08/15/03 01:50 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

A real Swami has to know about the other side....


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