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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: ]
    #1816801 - 08/15/03 01:53 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

validate the idealogies, not the person. the person who you learned from is pointless. information is pure, we arent responsible for it existing, we just 'know' and share it.

Sounds good, but take a book like "Seat of the Soul" by Gary Zhukov. After reading it, I can neither validate the author nor the teachings and therein lies the problem with adopting esoteric ideas.



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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Swami]
    #1816903 - 08/15/03 02:27 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

exactly.

thats why you dont adopt them, you explore them. you never stop exploring. when you do, your mindset stagnates and you become dogmatic. and no one likes a dogmatic asshole.

beliefs are useless. ideas are the only thing that matters.


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: ]
    #1816951 - 08/15/03 02:44 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Realized souls exist.... People with completely pure minds are the strongest ones in the world (I know this from experience of being around Saints and Monks)

but they arent gonna go on tv and do magic tricks.... you gotta go out and search for truth in this world and you cant expect it to fall in your lap

it also takes a good ammount of interest in the subject
and a pinch of effort here and there


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Rastafari]
    #1816976 - 08/15/03 02:50 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I wouldn't think the strongest people in the world would need the safety net of religion.


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Sclorch]
    #1816986 - 08/15/03 02:53 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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I wouldn't think...



You must not let thinking get in the way of believing.  If everyone were to succumb to this, the structures of all religious and political institutions would collapse.  :wink:


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Autonomous]
    #1817000 - 08/15/03 02:58 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

> You must not let thinking get in the way of believing. If everyone were to succumb to this, the structures of all religious and political institutions would collapse

Doh... too late... Time to sclorch the planet and start over...


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Seuss]
    #1817004 - 08/15/03 02:59 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

LOL!


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Sclorch]
    #1817008 - 08/15/03 03:01 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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I wouldn't think the strongest people in the world would need the safety net of religion.




their safety net is purification of the mind

that doesnt involve the politics of egotistical man which has tainted 'religion'

it involves many lifetimes of hard work to understand truth.

If you think that truth doesnt exist then what interests you in spirituality


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Rastafari]
    #1817023 - 08/15/03 03:06 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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... their safety net is purification of the mind...
If you think that truth doesnt exist then what interests you in spirituality



Some of us seek increased awareness, knowledge and clarification rather than purification.


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Autonomous]
    #1817026 - 08/15/03 03:08 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Rastafari said:
... their safety net is purification of the mind...
If you think that truth doesnt exist then what interests you in spirituality



Some of us seek increased awareness, knowledge and clarification rather than purification.





Dark to Light, unpure to pure, unclear to clear... ignorance to knowledge

one is no different from the other


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Rastafari]
    #1817090 - 08/15/03 03:29 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Mumbo to jumbo....

A difference that makes no difference is no difference.


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Rastafari]
    #1817099 - 08/15/03 03:31 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Dark to Light, unpure to pure, unclear to clear... ignorance to knowledge

one is no different from the other




that makes no sense at all.

dark and light are two totally different things. as are knowing and being ignorant.

you spiritual people confuse the shit out of me sometimes.

no one ever addressed my comments about not worrying about enlightenment or any of that crap and just learning and evolving.

i guess if you really need to soothe your ego.. but, whatever..


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: ]
    #1817132 - 08/15/03 03:41 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

> dark and light are two totally different things

... and yet without one, the other could not exist.

> that makes no sense at all

Correct, but incorrect. It is obvious that they are different, but when experienced without beeing categorized, they are the same.

> no one ever addressed my comments about not worrying about enlightenment

As I have said before, enlightenment is pointless. This is what you said as well, if I understand you correctly.


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Seuss]
    #1817146 - 08/15/03 03:45 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

true.. but.. i mean.

just cuz something cant exist without something else doesnt mean theyre the same thing. they arent, i swear to god light and dark are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

its really pretty obvious..


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Methinks this is good advise [Re: Seuss]
    #1817262 - 08/15/03 04:24 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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If your question is serious, here is my recommendation... look for people that are happy in everything that they do. People that don't try to force their own methods upon anybody else. People that are reluctant to 'share their secrets' with others. People that would never claim to be able to teach or show you the way. Emultate these people and find within yourself what they have already discovered.





I especially like that last part about finding within yourself what these people have already discovered.....


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: ]
    #1817264 - 08/15/03 04:25 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

> i swear to god light and dark are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

I once stayed at a hotel with a bunch of friends.  We each had our own rooms.  Everybody shared their room number with everybody else so we could hook up later.  When they asked what room I was in, I answered, "Room 5".

The next day when I see everybody at the conference, one of them exclaimed, "I looked all over, there IS NO ROOM 5".  I proudly led him back to my room and showed him the number on door...  101.

In base 2, 101 is the same as 5 is in base 10.

What we see as different in one light can be seen as the same in a different light.  This is something which must be experienced... I call tell stories and give analogies until I am blue in the face, but until it happens to you, you will not understand what I mean.

To say that everything is the same is as big of a mistake as saying that everything is different.  Keep your mind open to possibilities and try not to worry too much about it.  :smile:


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Re: Methinks this is good advise [Re: Mystical_Craven]
    #1817477 - 08/15/03 05:33 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

If your question is serious, here is my recommendation... look for people that are happy in everything that they do. People that don't try to force their own methods upon anybody else. People that are reluctant to 'share their secrets' with others. People that would never claim to be able to teach or show you the way. Emultate these people and find within yourself what they have already discovered.





I especially like that last part about finding within yourself what these people have already discovered.....





i agree !

beautiful words indeed


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Re: Methinks this is good advise [Re: Mystical_Craven]
    #1817559 - 08/15/03 05:51 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

If your question is serious, here is my recommendation... look for people that are happy in everything that they do. People that don't try to force their own methods upon anybody else. People that are reluctant to 'share their secrets' with others. People that would never claim to be able to teach or show you the way. Emultate these people and find within yourself what they have already discovered.

Aha! Go to the Special Olympics to find your guru...



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Re: Methinks this is good advise [Re: Swami]
    #1817579 - 08/15/03 05:56 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

a swami wears the color of ocre to represent the burning of his ego in the fire of life

he doesnt wear he color of a computer monitor to represent the burning of his ego in the fire of shroomery.org bullatin boards does he?

there may be more truth in that than you think Swami (about the special olympics)

I think mentally challenged people are very spiritual.
a Saint said most of them come to this earth to work out their karma, not incur any more.


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Re: Methinks this is good advise [Re: Rastafari]
    #1817595 - 08/15/03 06:01 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

a swami wears the color of ocre to represent the burning of his ego in the fire of life
Wearing orange robes will not make a person one whit more nor less spiritual than wearing jeans and a polo shirt.

he doesnt wear he color of a computer monitor to represent the burning of his ego in the fire of shroomery.org bullatin boards does he?
Master's come in all guises. Are you so attached to form?

I think mentally challenged people are very spiritual.
And intellectual people are unspiritual? Using your logic, normal babies should have a section of their brain removed at birth to better help them karmically.

a Saint said most of them come to this earth to work out their karma, not incur any more.
Karma comes from errors in thought, judgement, and action which all humans make.


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