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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Sclorch]
    #1819210 - 08/16/03 05:26 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

"How can you be sure that your guru/swami/master/spiritual leader is legit?"

I've found the best way to ensure that your "guru/swami/master/spiritual leader" is "legit" is to BE YOUR OWN LEADER.

And even THAT won't "ensure" legitimacy, because hopefully we've all learned that WE CAN ALL BE WRONG AT TIMES.


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Re: Methinks this is good advise [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1819219 - 08/16/03 05:38 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

sometimes i think there has been a lack of love... critisism with love is much different than egotistical battles....

I like the philosophy part... but i have come to expect unconstructive comments around here more and more... and I guess thats the way of the world... i've been blessed with people who love me unconditionally in my life, so i guess i am used to more constructive critisism...

so I conclude that I need to be around my family most of all because love is the strongest medicine there is...

i'm also starting to feel more and more everyone in the world is my family... i think i should cultivate that


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Re: Methinks this is good advise [Re: Rastafari]
    #1819280 - 08/16/03 07:40 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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I like the philosophy part... but i have come to expect unconstructive comments around here more and more... and I guess thats the way of the world... i've been blessed with people who love me unconditionally in my life, so i guess i am used to more constructive critisism...





Perhaps you are ATTACHED to constructive critisism. When you say that you are used to constructive critisism, maybe it is coming out now, so you can learn what is needed to learn from it... living an Enlightened life unchallenged isn't the same as living an Enlightened life challenged.

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I've met people who claimed to be gurus that were just con artists. I still managed to learn from them. I've learned things from the garbage man and the guy that makes my coffee. I've learned from twisted psychedelic experiences and boring, mundane tasks.

The teacher is always present. the student must only open his eyes




This is what it is about. Everyone is our teacher, even the person who posts on the Shroomery that challenges what you say, obviously, he is there to give you your lesson... I can't say what that lesson is, because it is not me, but it seems like it might have something to do with not letting people take you down, etc.. see, I don't know, but somewhere, you do.

I like a lot of your ideas, but it sort of seems you may have not had your ideas TESTED yet, which is of course what will happen. Don't let the tests discourage you, but let them reaffirm your faith, man.
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Re: Methinks this is good advise [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1819453 - 08/16/03 12:05 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I've met people who claimed to be gurus that were just con artists.

You have not shared your method of determining a "real" guru.


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Sclorch]
    #1819463 - 08/16/03 12:12 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

How can you be sure that your guru/swami/master/spiritual leader is legit?

By his title...


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Swami]
    #1819781 - 08/16/03 02:52 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

"You have not shared your method of determining a "real" guru."

If you mean 'guru' in the sense of a fellow human being who teaches spiritual knowledge, i would say that all people are gurus in one sense or another.

I dont understand the elitism attached to this term.

I will say that most people who make the claim that they are a 'guru' are just con artists. Most of the people I've met with a high degree of spiritual knowledge were not interested in teaching it to others for any amount of money.


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1819826 - 08/16/03 03:06 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

yea i'm attached to love... so when i feel a lacking of it i naturally want to go back to it... i dont think theres anything wrong with attaching ourselfs to positive things...might not be the way to enlightenment but it does make us able to show more love to others

and i agree...everybody in the world has something to teach me... I hope I try to look for that more

thank you

and there are alot of guru con artists out there unfortunately....but people who have purified their minds do exist... i dont think jesus was a con artist but perhaps some of the people who edited the bibles over the centuries were...the good points in the bible override the political contredictions in my mind
I think a guru is somone who teaches us to serve others selflessly and alleviate the suffering of the world
also the guru could come in a disguised form of a person doing wrong...to show you what not 2 do

hence we've got somethign to learn from everybody


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Rastafari]
    #1819893 - 08/16/03 03:35 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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yea i'm attached to love... so when i feel a lacking of it i naturally want to go back to it... i dont think theres anything wrong with attaching ourselfs to positive things...might not be the way to enlightenment but it does make us able to show more love to others





Well, being attached to love is better, I guess, than being attached to security, sensation, or power.. but what are you like when you are in a situation that isn't so loving, does it effect your loving attitude?

Attachment to anything is a bad thing.. preferences to something aren't, however. Preferences work like this: you PREFER to have something, but if you don't get it, it doesn't affect you at all, as, after all, it was only a preference. See?

The only thing with attaching ourselves to anything, negative or positive, is that you are still attached.. tied to the ground.. we should only really be attached to the essentials, as being attached to anything else is only bound to bring suffering sooner or later...
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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Rastafari]
    #1820069 - 08/16/03 04:43 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

also the guru could come in a disguised form

Yet, you stated unequivocably that I am not a "real" Swami. It is hard to follow you. A swami must come from a lineage according to your view, but where did the first swami get his authentication?

BTW how do you know if a challenge to an idea is backed by love or not? By the "tone"? That is a huge assumption based on how your ego perceives it. Con artists, lawyers, politicians and others often use pleasing and flattering words as a form of manipulation, yet there is no love behind the sweet and comforting phrases.

A student of the spirit looks to see beyond the surface and the form.


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Swami]
    #1820143 - 08/16/03 05:06 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

you would have to study on the liniage if you were curious about how it started

its like this; your not a fransiscan monk because you dont wear a robe and have a roserie...its a simple thing... you cant claim to be one because you arent familar enough with the subject

at heart we are all a fransiscan monk but we have yet to manifest it completely

I'll tell you this much, monks dont hang out on the computer all day having debates.


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1820150 - 08/16/03 05:08 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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yea i'm attached to love... so when i feel a lacking of it i naturally want to go back to it... i dont think theres anything wrong with attaching ourselfs to positive things...might not be the way to enlightenment but it does make us able to show more love to others





Well, being attached to love is better, I guess, than being attached to security, sensation, or power.. but what are you like when you are in a situation that isn't so loving, does it effect your loving attitude?





i try to respond instead of react..but that takes alot of work in this world

I think attachment to the physical forms of your family is a set up for alot of sadness when they die...but if you keep the wisdom of love they have taught you in your heart always, that can be motivation to overcome all of the negative things in the world

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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Rastafari]
    #1820306 - 08/16/03 05:46 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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i try to respond instead of react..but that takes alot of work in this world





How do you respond, what do you mean by that?

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I think attachment to the physical forms of your family is a set up for alot of sadness when they die...but if you keep the wisdom of love they have taught you in your heart always, that can be motivation to overcome all of the negative things in the world





Attachment to anything will bring you suffering when that anything is not in your hands.. Some people aren't taught the "wisdom of love" by their family.. a lot of people are not set up by their parents to overcome all the negative things of the world. I don't think this applies here, man. I know what you are trying to say, but it doesn't have anything to do with the subject of attachment.. which, is, of course, off topic from Testing for Swamines..hehe
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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1820736 - 08/16/03 08:03 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Rastafari said:
i try to respond instead of react..but that takes alot of work in this world





How do you respond, what do you mean by that?

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I think attachment to the physical forms of your family is a set up for alot of sadness when they die...but if you keep the wisdom of love they have taught you in your heart always, that can be motivation to overcome all of the negative things in the world





Attachment to anything will bring you suffering when that anything is not in your hands.. Some people aren't taught the "wisdom of love" by their family.. a lot of people are not set up by their parents to overcome all the negative things of the world. I don't think this applies here, man. I know what you are trying to say, but it doesn't have anything to do with the subject of attachment.. which, is, of course, off topic from Testing for Swamines..hehe
Peace.





for the first part
what i mean by response instead of reaction is like ghandi and martin luther jr's methods of nonviolence... and if you dont react with the same hatred somone sends towards you, your ending that cycle

for the 2nd part I agree that i got off track on the subject of attachment

detachment is a very good thing... i think thats one of the ways to respond instead of react


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Rastafari]
    #1820745 - 08/16/03 08:06 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I think the Litmus test for Swamihood would be levitation.
Then u'd have a real Jedi on your hands :grin:


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Rastafari]
    #1821299 - 08/16/03 11:50 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

...and if you dont react with the same hatred somone sends towards you,

Who here is sending you hatred?


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Swami]
    #1821326 - 08/16/03 11:58 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

he asked for an example of how you respond instead of react


i never said anything about anyone here

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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Rastafari]
    #1821932 - 08/17/03 04:39 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

So... let me sum it all up....
THERE IS NO LITMUS TEST FOR SWAMINESS.

However.... I have a feeling that a simple sleaze test would suffice.... :wink:
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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Sclorch]
    #1821975 - 08/17/03 05:04 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

lol well put


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Rastafari]
    #1822334 - 08/17/03 11:30 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Sclorch: So... let me sum it all up....
THERE IS NO LITMUS TEST FOR SWAMINESS.


Rasatfari: Well put.

Yet, you were able to determine from a few posts that I am NOT a "real" Swami. You MUST have had some testing criterion.


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Re: Testing for Swaminess [Re: Swami]
    #1822576 - 08/17/03 02:07 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Swami, you've read 1984, right?
Remember doublethink?


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