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    #1748639 - 07/25/03 05:05 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: mathematics:human discovery or invention? [Re: 0toxic0]
    #1748660 - 07/25/03 05:16 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I would say it's an invention since we never quite get it "right"
too many paradoxes and stuff... but it's not something we just made up. or another way of putting it is it's a perpetual discovery. we haven't "discovered" anything that's already there. but we're always discovering more. ok so I guess my answer is: both.


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Re: mathematics:human discovery or invention? [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1748673 - 07/25/03 05:24 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

What is wrong with paradoxes? Higher truth, can I say higher truth?
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Re: mathematics:human discovery or invention? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1748686 - 07/25/03 05:29 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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fireworks_god said:
What is wrong with paradoxes? Higher truth, can I say higher truth?
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You took the words right out of my mouth.


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Re: mathematics:human discovery or invention? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1748725 - 07/25/03 05:39 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

nothing wrong with paradoxes in general. it's just that they usually go away when you learn more or when you approach the problem from a different angle. we're talking about mathematical paradoxes here. not philosophical ones, which are often unresolvable and point to "higher truth". mathematical paradoxes on the other hand point to a flawed perspective.



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Re: mathematics:human discovery or invention? [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1748860 - 07/25/03 06:27 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

not that i'm really one to say, but, as far as i am concerned, it's an invention.


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Re: mathematics:human discovery or invention? [Re: seemslikeasymbol]
    #1749031 - 07/25/03 07:29 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Invention.


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Re: mathematics:human discovery or invention? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1749349 - 07/25/03 09:49 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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What is wrong with paradoxes? Higher truth, can I say higher truth?
Peace.






Is your definition of a higher truth some sort of all mighty entity such as a god? If i assume correctly then: What evidence do you see that points towards a higher truth?



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Re: mathematics:human discovery or invention? [Re: mrDylan]
    #1749403 - 07/25/03 10:19 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

definitely invention. one of the few true inventions of the human race, and just as flawed.


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    #1749456 - 07/25/03 10:42 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: mathematics:human discovery or invention? [Re: 0toxic0]
    #1749634 - 07/26/03 12:04 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Humans discovered mathematics and then invented different ways to apply it. It's not like before man was able to count there was no such thing as a number. Numbers were just simply reduced to "more than", less than," or "equal to" A small group of nomadic hunters that came across a herd of buffalo knew that there were more buffalo then there were hunters. Or if that same group of hunter encountered a single deer, they knew that there was more of them then there was of the deer.

Now they symbols we use to represent numbers, equations and so on are an invention... The alphabet is definatly a human invention.


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Re: mathematics:human discovery or invention? [Re: djd586]
    #1749638 - 07/26/03 12:07 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

good post. i say invention. all lingistic systems are inherently false, including mathmatics. or rather they're not false, they're just differnt, and not equateable to 3d reality.


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Re: mathematics:human discovery or invention? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #1749803 - 07/26/03 01:26 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

The human created the mathematics we have grown to love.


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Re: mathematics:human discovery or invention? [Re: psikooz]
    #1749825 - 07/26/03 01:38 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

hmm wouldnt a human discovery and a human invention be the same thing


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Re: mathematics:human discovery or invention? [Re: 0toxic0]
    #1750099 - 07/26/03 04:08 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

My view is that mathematical theories are human inventions, like all theories. But the objects of study are numbers, and various generalizations of numbers. The properties of numbers are discovered rather than invented.


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Re: mathematics:human discovery or invention? [Re: buckwheat]
    #1750221 - 07/26/03 06:50 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

something li------------------------
A)yeah, isnt it both?
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Re: mathematics:human discovery or invention? [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1750323 - 07/26/03 09:53 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

My view is that mathematical theories are human inventions, like all theories. But the objects of study are numbers, and various generalizations of numbers. The properties of numbers are discovered rather than invented.

I agree with this here statement by Rhizoid. Peace.


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Re: mathematics:human discovery or invention? [Re: 0toxic0]
    #1750334 - 07/26/03 10:02 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Without our understanding of mathematics you wouldn't be on a computer now, mathematics are very much realistic and useful.


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Re: mathematics:human discovery or invention? [Re: PjS]
    #1750364 - 07/26/03 10:53 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I would say that it is invention, but because the applications of the mathematic theories seem to be kind of universal, and are present in so many aspects of this physical world, I have to say that it is a discovery, and we are still in the process of discovering.

Rhizoid said it better, I think.


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Re: mathematics:human discovery or invention? [Re: neutralizer]
    #1750531 - 07/26/03 01:18 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

"Without our understanding of mathematics you wouldn't be on a computer now, mathematics are very much realistic and useful. "

how could you say that for sure?

maybe its possible to build an organic computer, or one thats made of just shapes and light.

math is just a human way of seeing and doing things. that doesn't make it all encompassing.


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