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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: TheCow]
#5361561  03/03/06 03:24 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) 


>>Ha alright. Fine whatever Im not going to argue with a man who has literally 0 grasp on common sense. Do you even understand what division is? Do you have any grasp at all on reality in any sense of the word I have to wonder. << Thank you, same goes back to you. Sure I will not argue this.

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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: BlueCoyote]
#5361568  03/03/06 03:27 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) 


Man Im fairly certain I had a greater grasp on the basics of reality in 2nd grade than you do now. Honestly this whole affair has left me somewhat speechless.

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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: BlueCoyote]
#5361584  03/03/06 03:31 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) 


fireworks: hey, math is still righ there as: X / (1/2) = x * reciprocal value (1/2). resiprocal value of 1/2 = 2/1 = 2 so x/.5=x*2
don't blame math for it Perhaps, blame my interpretation, but I tried to follow a logical row there

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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: TheCow]
#5361589  03/03/06 03:32 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) 


cowieman, then look closer into the flow of reality and the flow of mathematical laws. Speechlessness isn't that bad at all
>Man Im fairly certain I had a greater grasp on the basics of reality in 2nd grade than you do now< I would not be too sure about that. But thank you, I found my bad interpretation, as the solution of the equation says >per person<. I think I've overseen this, but it still is a problem with reality, as 16 apples wont come out of nowhere, you see (obviously not) ?
Edited by BlueCoyote (03/03/06 03:41 PM)

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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: TheCow]
#5361607  03/03/06 03:39 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) 


Yes per person. Dimensional analysis my friend. And there is no problem with the reality of it in any sense. Believe me Ive looked far into math and mathematical laws.

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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: TheCow]
#5361619  03/03/06 03:43 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) 


There is a problem with human interpretation with this example. I did math quite far, too, and you seem to be blind to the problem. Not my problem, as I've seen it now that math doesn't cover that reality.
Edited by BlueCoyote (03/03/06 03:50 PM)

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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: BlueCoyote]
#5361647  03/03/06 03:53 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) 


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BlueCoyote said: I think I've overseen this, but it still is a problem with reality, as 16 apples wont come out of nowhere, you see (obviously not) ?
The math never stated or implied that 16 apples would suddenly manifest out of nothing into reality, now did it?
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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: fireworks_god]
#5361656  03/03/06 03:57 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) 


It simply says, if half a human has 8 apples (that is, what is known), a whole human would have 16. Whether that is real, math doesn't concern (the whole person still could have 8 ones, because the other half did not have 8) The same difference here: If you ask: share 8 apples to 2 people, math says, everyone will get 4 apples, but reality says, that one gets 6 and the other 2 or one gets 5 and the other gets 3 That is, what I did want to say and what leads back to topic.
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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: BlueCoyote]
#5361693  03/03/06 04:07 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) 


You are a fool. There is no way you took higher mathematics dont try to imply otherwise.
And why stop at 1 person? Hey 2 people get 32 apples! Whats the deal with that?

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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: TheCow]
#5361697  03/03/06 04:07 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) 


And you expect a single operation to take place in one step. Divide the apples, then you subtract or add some.

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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: BlueCoyote]
#5361699  03/03/06 04:09 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) 


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BlueCoyote said: It simply says, if half a human has 8 apples (that is, what is known), a whole human would have 16.
A whole human would have 16 if said number was employed within the same proportion.
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he same difference here: If you ask: share 8 apples to 2 people, math says, everyone will get 4 apples, but reality says, that one gets 6 and the other 2 or one gets 5 and the other gets 3
8=6+2, or 8=5+3? My fucking god, an example of math representing the reality in your example.
Change the problem, change the equation.
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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: TheCow]
#5361709  03/03/06 04:12 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) 


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TheCow said: You are a fool. There is no way you took higher mathematics dont try to imply otherwise.
And why stop at 1 person? Hey 2 people get 32 apples! Whats the deal with that?
What are you talking about and be careful with your tongue, now. Reread the thread to grasp the topic.

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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: fireworks_god]
#5361727  03/03/06 04:18 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) 


fire, the problem is that math states, that if something is divided, it will be divided into equal parts. It assumes, that if half a human has 8 apples, a whole human will have 16. It states, that the other half has 8 apples, too, what is certain for math, but not certain in reality. That is, where the divergence comes from.

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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: BlueCoyote]
#5361746  03/03/06 04:24 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) 


Give me one example in nature and reality, so I can comprehend that please.
Alright Blue, I'll try one more time with a different tack.
If you have two halfliters of milk that are each 10 days old (fresh) and you pour them both into one container, is the resulting full liter of milk suddenly 20 days old and spoiled?
When you grok why it's not, you will understand where your error is. The above is about LITERS of milk not about DAYS of time. If you are talking about liters and your math is about days, naturally, you will come up with the wrong answer.
Your error is that you're talking about one thing and calculating about another. Your math has been modeling a DIFFERENT realworld problem than the one we're discussing, so naturally, you keep coming up with the wrong answer.
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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: BlueCoyote]
#5361747  03/03/06 04:24 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) 


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BlueCoyote said: It assumes, that if half a human has 8 apples, a whole human will have 16. It states, that the other half has 8 apples, too, what is certain for math, but not certain in reality. That is, where the divergence comes from.
Bullshit. You take a mathematic equation, pertinent only to the equation itself, then you name some other situation, and claim that math does not reflect reality simply because it doesn't represent the situation it was never created to represent.
Five plus five equals ten. For you to go on to say that you don't have two groups of five doesn't negate the truth that five plus five equals ten. Your inability to grasp this is baffling.
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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: fireworks_god]
#5361792  03/03/06 04:36 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) 


Bullshit, too. If I follow the simple question "what if I share a fixed amount of apples to persons or parts of them, how much apples per person woul I get ?" by the mathematical correct equation x/y=z, then I will get a fictious result of it, if y will get below 1, what is not nescessary true to reality, it also conquers it, as I have a fixed amount of apples. Even with the values above 1 the methematical equation only shows an equalshared solution, what is not represantive of reality at all. Simply like that, math doesn't represent reality not only not for human interpretation, also in some cases it actually contradicts it. Grasp this !

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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: BlueCoyote]
#5361924  03/03/06 05:10 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) 


I'm so very upset that I read all of this.

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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: TheCow]
#5362399  03/03/06 07:40 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) 


sweet cowieman, only because I also looked a bit deeper into mathematics, I am able to percieve these problems, tranformed back to simple formulas contradicting reality

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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: Diploid]
#5362408  03/03/06 07:43 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) 


diplo, it was not me changing the frame of reference, math itself was doing this. I wanted to know something about a share of 8 apples and suddenly math proposed 16 ones

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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: BlueCoyote]
#5362810  03/03/06 10:10 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) 


it was not me
Yes it was.
You started out talking about diving 8 apples among *** ONE *** halfperson, and after you've concluded that the single halfperson gets 8 apples, you suddenly change the story and start talking about *** TWO *** halfpersons.
If you change the thing you're talking about in the calculation after you've finished calculating, then of course you will get the wrong answer.
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