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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5363654 - 03/04/06 04:04 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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It is easy to dismiss math as not having any value when one does not understand what math is (or its magnificent ability to represent reality), which is necessary in order to find the value within it. :wink:






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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5363699 - 03/04/06 05:19 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

diplo, fire: If I speak of a fixed number of apples to share, math cares shit about and conjures something out of nothing, that is reality, so use that words on yourself fireworks.
I am sorry that you can not see that mathematical flux in opposition to reality. So we have to cease discussion here.


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5363726 - 03/04/06 05:43 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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diplo, fire: If I speak of a fixed number of apples to share, math cares shit about and conjures something out of nothing, that is reality, so use that words on yourself fireworks.




On the contrary, your misuse of math produces the results you state do not reflect reality.

The fact remains that math is a language, no different than English or German, and you use math to represent reality. If you have a fixed number of apples and distribute them amongst individuals or halves of individuals, one uses math, as a language, to represent the operation you are performing.

You can't take that equation, multiply the numbers by 1000, and then accuse math of not representing reality because it says there are 8000 more apples than what you actually have.


If you start with an equation and perform more operations to it, then you have changed the situation it is representing.


If you cannot see how this is true, then I would advise you do not use math, as it will get you into a lot of trouble in the situations you engage in within reality. When the government claims you owe $8 in taxes, due to the fact that you have $80, and they demand 10% of your money as taxes, then you don't divide the amount of money you have by two and state that their math doesn't represent the reality of the matter. Later, when you are in prison for tax evasion... :lol:

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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5363745 - 03/04/06 06:02 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Hello, is that so hard to see ? I used that example to state, that reality will not alway represent math. Of course one can find other formuas, so that math can represent reality. but reality cares shit about math.

Again: My fixed starting point are 8 apples. I want to see how I can share these apples, so I use the equation x/y=z.
It all is good and stays in reality, as long y >= 1.
It starts to leave reality if y < 1.

I want to see who is in prsion, man. It will be you who will run around asking "where are the remaining 8 apples, math says they must be here !"

I don't need a math check, but perhaps someone needs a reality check ?
But I suppose to leave hostilities and finally stop insulting me personally and find the propper interpretations :frown:


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5363764 - 03/04/06 06:47 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Hello, is that so hard to see ? I used that example to state, that reality will not alway represent math. Of course one can find other formuas, so that math can represent reality. but reality cares shit about math.




Math is an aspect of reality, first and foremost, as much as we are.

Our reality that we experience is a representation of reality that our senses and perceptions have developed. Our representation of reality changes as reality changes. Math's representations of reality change as reality changes.

Our representations of reality that we experience as reality and our subsequent math's representations of reality are extensions of reality.

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Again: My fixed starting point are 8 apples. I want to see how I can share these apples, so I use the equation x/y=z.
It all is good and stays in reality, as long y >= 1.
It starts to leave reality if y < 1.




Not really, as far as I can see. :lol:

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I want to see who is in prsion, man. It will be you who will run around asking "where are the remaining 8 apples, math says they must be here !"




I can't make sense of this statement. :wink:

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I don't need a math check, but perhaps someone needs a reality check ?
But I suppose to leave hostilities and finally stop insulting me personally and find the propper interpretations :frown:




You have been insulted personally? :confused: Is being questioned personally insulting?

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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5363765 - 03/04/06 07:00 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Again: My fixed starting point are 8 apples. I want to see how I can share these apples, so I use the equation x/y=z.
It all is good and stays in reality, as long y >= 1.
It starts to leave reality if y < 1.
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Not really, as far as I can see.

Look closer (hint:fixed starting point) :wink:


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5364073 - 03/04/06 11:55 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Again: My fixed starting point

Again, you are using math incorrectly. Setting y equal to 1/2 DOES NOT represent dividing into half of a person. *** DOES NOT ***

You have three people here telling in you this. Why do you keep insisting that 2 + 2 = 5, then wonder why that doesn't seem to match reality?

Blue, c'mon, how can you not see this? If I didn't know better, I'd think you were pulling my leg.


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: Diploid]
    #5364095 - 03/04/06 12:08 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Why do you keep insisting that 2 + 2 = 5
You know I never did that and I never intended that. I strictly follow the mathematical laws (at least within this thread, brcause it's essential here).
I farly already took the pepper out of it :wink: I really wonder, why nobody else sees this fallacity, where math crosses the borders of our reality. I see the law and the correctness of the mathematical equation, but really, it flips interpretation, or context of reality, if y wents under 1. Perhaps everybody else doesn't see that as important, or their minds try to fill in the mathematical statement with different interpretations, I don't know. I know that math, in this case, which was only a little example, leaves the real plane of the pregiven and starts to go into fiction and assumptions. Perhaps, that is a mathematical joke, I don't know :wink:


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5364116 - 03/04/06 12:18 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I really wonder, why nobody else sees this fallacity, where math crosses the borders of our reality.

Because there is no fallacy. There is only a mistake on your part.

it flips interpretation, or context of reality, if y wents under 1

No, it does not. You are in error. Your ego is refusing to accept this.

If you represent y as less than one, you are representing a different problem than the one we're discussing. You have to set up the equation to correctly represent the real-world or the answer will not represent the real world.

You've told me in another thread that you know very little about math, yet here you are disputing three people who've studied math and who are telling you that you've made a mistake. What's up with that?


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: Diploid]
    #5364148 - 03/04/06 12:31 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

please recite me correctly. I said, I know little about math if it wents into quantum space or goes near light-speed phenomenas. I studied two semesters of math, too and did my 'A-level' (entrance test for univerity) for example in maths and biology. I love analysis and infinitesimal calculus, painting graphes and speculating about them seeing only the pure formula.
The equation correctly says how many apples I will get out or need, if I want to share something. Even with y<1 it is correct in a mathematical way, as it say, that one person has 16 apples, if half one person has 8. BUT in real life, this is purely an assumtion. It is not stated that the whole man, or whatever it is what gets whole, really will get the correct amount of the parts. That is the difference, which is stated in the correct laws of math, which won't nescessarily represent reality if you loose regards of reality and orientate too much on the mathematical laws. That is only an example.
Perhaps, that's more of a mind game, but that is why it fits so good into philosophy :wink:


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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5364170 - 03/04/06 12:39 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I said, I know little about math if it wents into quantum space or goes near light-speed phenomenas.

Actually, Blue, not to beat up on you, but as I recall, you were having trouble with the concept of a square root. This is 5th grade where I went to school.


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: Diploid]
    #5364182 - 03/04/06 12:42 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I dont think that I have troubles with square roots, we were discussing light speed and black holes at this time. You must confuse there something, because I also learned calculating with complex numbers, which, as you surely know, calculate with roots out of negatives.


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5364214 - 03/04/06 12:53 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Hey a long math thread cool.  This peaks my interest, as I am studying math all weekend for my midterm on tue.
Im surprised this hasnt surfaced yet (maybe it has)

.9999... = 1 

Thats one that math noobs never accept (neither did I when I was a math noob).  Its a classic for internet forum arguments.


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5364224 - 03/04/06 01:00 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Alright Blue, I give up.

Meanwhile, I'll think of you every time I fly an airplane, drive over a bridge, or use a computer designed with math which doesn't correctly represent the real world.  :smirk:


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: Diploid]
    #5364235 - 03/04/06 01:02 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Once some idiot at my job told me there was a great dissconnect between multiplication and addition.  This sparked my interest, so I asked him and he proceded to tell me the missing dollar story :lol:  I never could convince him there was no missing dollar.


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: Diploid]
    #5364252 - 03/04/06 01:09 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

diplo, hehe, yes, hope that the airplane won't come into a situation, which is not pre-programmed in its avionics, and the computer will use linear mathematics to manage the problem :lol:


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5371052 - 03/06/06 04:22 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

cunundrum: If you have 8 apples and ask math how many people you will need, that the apples won't satisfy them ?
It's answer is: Less than one !

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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5374665 - 03/07/06 05:08 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I cant believe you are still bringing this up. I basically view you as the mental equivalent of a child.


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: TheCow]
    #5374669 - 03/07/06 05:10 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: TheCow]
    #5374908 - 03/07/06 06:23 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Still not gotten it ?!
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