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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5374933 - 03/07/06 06:29 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I thought you understood what apples/human meant? Didnt you claim that you were in error earlier? You are trying to give half a person 8 apples, and you are claiming he gets 16. You are treating half a person as a singular entity, so the units are apples/(half human). This would still give you 8 since there is only ONE HALF PERSON.


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: TheCow]
    #5375043 - 03/07/06 07:00 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Yes. I did not see the mathematical answer, because it is in a different context than my question :smile: I did not see, that math says, if you give 8 apples to half a person, one whole person will get 16.
But nevertheless, that IS where math leaves reality, definitively :lol:
I would like to explore that fact a little bit more, because it really can get to a problem in some security-relevant systems, like avionics. If some not preprogrammed environmental or occasional exception will get you in a situation, where 'linear' maths 'goes wild', your flight computer will perhaps say, you will need 16 tons of fuel, but you have only 8 on board :wink: And that would be only some harmless case.


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5375423 - 03/07/06 08:34 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Yea all those times when the plane has half a tank on board... But please explore whatever you wish. Take a 'real analysis' class, it will answer a lot of your questions. Then try your hand at a 'complex analysis' class, be prepared to never trust math again though.


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: TheCow]
    #5377004 - 03/08/06 11:36 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Wrote my A grade in analysis, linear algebra, statistics and infinitisimals (17 years ago :wink:). Learned complex numbers as well. Studied 2 semesters of informatics with second course math (at university)... I send you a copy of my certificates, if you wish.
be prepared to never trust math again though
So we are finally on the same page, even these phenomenas start to happen much earlier :wink:


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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5378378 - 03/08/06 07:33 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

BlueCoyote said:I send you a copy of my certificates, if you wish.


What do you mean by certificate? A degree? Post them Id like to see.


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: DieCommie]
    #5378745 - 03/08/06 09:00 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Ha so you took some quarters of calculus? Real and Complex analysis are much much different than a basic calculus course. You can phrase it as impressive sounding as you want with words like 'infinitisimals' I know what youve studied. And what kind of linear algebra class, an intro to linear algebra lower division class?


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: TheCow]
    #5380500 - 03/09/06 10:35 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

DieCommie:only possibly to thecow and only private.

Man, that was over 17 years ago. Quarters of calculus ?
I think the linear algebra was about matrix-calculus with vectors. You may remember that I am from Germany, so my grades are a bit different than yours and the school system also is a bit different, also I often am lazy with the english language, perhaps that is where your assumtions stem from ?? I simply shortened 'infinitesimal calculus' into 'infinitesimals'...

So, kid, even if it does nothing to the thread: You say, you know what I have studied ? With every of your post I doubt you more. What do you have learned about math, if you know this sooooo good ?


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'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5380982 - 03/09/06 01:44 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Well Ive taken and am still taking math classes.  So far Ive taken about 3 years of math classes on and off, some from the math department, some from the physics department, and some from the electrical engineering department.  Im not hear to :whatever: all over this thread, as Im still an undergrad and thus dont feel Im very knowledgeable about math, but I at least know division.  This is why I cant imagine youve taken anything more than a basic calculus class.


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: TheCow]
    #5381022 - 03/09/06 01:58 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Then you did not understand, why I took this example. Just because it is so simple and if you will follow its logic, you will come to astonishing results.
Perhaps it is not legitime to use a denominator smaller than 1 in this example of context, because it blows up the presettings and wanders off into fantastic assumptions ? :grin:
Ok ok, I will be quiet now (and perhaps think of another example) :wink:

[edit to the hard boiled ones: Interestingly this example gets right again if the denominator becomes zero. Then it says, that it can not assume how many apples one human has, if I have no example of a human with my apples here {Oops, isn't that, what the original poster did want to know almost 3 years ago ?} :lol:]

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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5381064 - 03/09/06 02:10 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I understand why you thought it didnt work, and I also understand your error. But please think of another example.


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: TheCow]
    #5381511 - 03/09/06 04:08 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Now, we'll take the wild ride :wink:
Interestingly this example gets right again if the denominator becomes zero. Then it says, that it can not assume how many apples one human has, if I have no example of a human with my apples here {Oops, isn't that, what the original poster did want to know almost 3 years ago ?}
And youwanna  know why this example gets right with a denominator being zero ?
It's because if someone will find an apple with an atom of a human on it, he would have to assume, that the earth is covered with at least 3000 meters of apples....per human, of course :lol:
Now, someone wanna follow me into the negatives humans to apples reality ? :rofl2:
(sorry, couldn't resist)


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Edited by BlueCoyote (03/09/06 04:15 PM)


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5381599 - 03/09/06 04:32 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Wait so your new example, is that you just reduce the fraction. How is that new?


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: TheCow]
    #5381655 - 03/09/06 04:45 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I am sorry, I am still with the old example. The original starter of this thread (wherever he is now :wink:) has brought up this example. So I used my best shit now, to make it clear, how x/0 is real in reality :lol:

(For considerations about a new example, you may also relay to my not answered thread  1 + 1 = much more  here :lol:)


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5381674 - 03/09/06 04:55 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

And what does that thread say that is of any importance to this topic. Play with your metaphysics, leave the science to the adults.


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: TheCow]
    #5381757 - 03/09/06 05:26 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Leave the kids their forms and get the adults to exploration.


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5381822 - 03/09/06 05:43 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

And what exactly has the metaphysics community explored? My side has all of technology, your side has what?


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: TheCow]
    #5381881 - 03/09/06 05:58 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Light sharing on knowledge for the better usage of (mathematical) concepts in an existence- and reality-comforming way ?!


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5381884 - 03/09/06 05:59 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

What


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: TheCow]
    #5381886 - 03/09/06 05:59 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

that


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Re: Mathematical Explanation... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5382015 - 03/09/06 06:25 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Explain that a bit more man. Also make me some tacos, otherwise Im going to have to buy some, and that my friend, would be a hassle.


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