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InvisibleZylo
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    #549591 - 02/13/02 01:02 AM (22 years, 15 days ago)

Hey, if anyone wants to keep discussing with me. Go right ahead. If you think God exists or try to tell me he does, I'm going to make you look like a Moron though...
But go ahead and try....


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InvisibledizZy_bOy
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Re: God Does NOT exist *WARNING EXTREMLEY OFFENSIVE* [Re: Zylo]
    #549623 - 02/13/02 01:46 AM (22 years, 15 days ago)

I think somebody has an incest issue...


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OfflineTypingwords
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Re: God Does NOT exist *WARNING EXTREMLEY OFFENSIV [Re: dizZy_bOy]
    #549670 - 02/13/02 03:41 AM (22 years, 15 days ago)

I don't really believe in god, but go d could exist without christianity having to be true. Obviously christianity is stupid. I don't think anyone here is a christian. And a lot of christians don't even take the bible (old testament) literally, they just use it as a system of stories to symbolize their beliefs and values. For these reasons and lots more, your post is kind of stupid. actually it may be the stupidest possible post I can imagine at the moment.....I'm hoping you are no older than 12, because that would be just sad.


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InvisibleZylo
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Re: God Does NOT exist *WARNING EXTREMLEY OFFENSIV [Re: Typingwords]
    #549673 - 02/13/02 03:56 AM (22 years, 15 days ago)

Oh, I don't care what religion you are. IMO (everyone is entitled to theirs) it is silly to believe in a "higher power" no matter what. I was just picking on christians today.....

And my last post was meant to get people who believe in religion upset, it's one of my favorite hobbies...

IMO

There is no God. He/She whatever has never shown themselves. There is ZERO proof of a "Gods" existence at all. ZERO proof. Not a single shred of evidence. Just blind faith. That is total B.S.

Seriously though, believing in a God is just as foolish as a child as beliving that Santa Claus really can come to every house in the entire world in one night, and really can fit that many toys into his sled. It's just ridiculous.

SCIENCE on the other hand has TONS of proof/evidence of evolutions. Fossils, bones, carbon dating, scientific theories like Darwin which HAVE been proven. Physical evidence, as well as scientific proof all tell us 100% that we evolved just like every other animal on this earth.

:P


Edited by Zylo (02/13/02 04:05 AM)


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Re: God Does NOT exist *WARNING EXTREMLEY OFFENSIV [Re: Typingwords]
    #549674 - 02/13/02 04:01 AM (22 years, 15 days ago)

well okay I just read another one of your posts, and I can now see you are probably not twelve, so I take that back. sorry. but perhaps you should consider changing the title to "Christianity is fucking stupid" instead of "God does not exist". Yes, christians worship this "man-like" god who has all these stupid human qualities, because christians are too stupid to realize how stupid they are. I think there's a good chance there's a god, but it's not some guy standing up there judging everyone and everything.
I think god is just a big mass of love that makes up all of the love, and it might be conscious of itself, or it might just be all living things together making up the one consciousness. actually it's probably both of the two. BUt by "conscious of itself" you want to think of consciousness as in human consciousness, but it's not anything like that. It's beyond our mind to comprehend. But it would still be a "god". The ultimate power and creator.


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InvisibleZylo
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Re: God Does NOT exist *WARNING EXTREMLEY OFFENSIV [Re: Typingwords]
    #549678 - 02/13/02 04:08 AM (22 years, 15 days ago)

Typingwords, it's cool, I like to fuck around sometimes (Eg. this post)


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OfflineTypingwords
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Re: God Does NOT exist *WARNING EXTREMLEY OFFENSIV [Re: Zylo]
    #549682 - 02/13/02 04:14 AM (22 years, 15 days ago)

it's all good homie


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OfflineUnknown
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Re: God Does NOT exist *WARNING EXTREMLEY OFFENSIV [Re: Typingwords]
    #549688 - 02/13/02 04:31 AM (22 years, 15 days ago)

I agree with the whole idea about modern christianity being completely retarded.There were/are some rather interesting sects of christianity but the whole idea of a higher power is some rather hard to swallow shit.The arguement "The creation needs a creator" while a creator IS a creation,so who created this god.Its a fucking paradox.I just take it as fun and games and a silly mystical "Oh I'm so special that a being who could create a universe gives a flying shit about me.Pretty narcisstic if you ask me.But your free to believe any kind of crazy bullshit you want,as long as you don't try to shove your beliefs down my throat.


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OfflineMc_Face
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Re: DELETED [Re: Zylo]
    #549689 - 02/13/02 04:37 AM (22 years, 15 days ago)


The stories your refering to were written in a time when people had little or no education so they make little sense today. There not to be taken litteraly. Its possible to believe in evolution and god. If there was no god things would not worked out as perfectly as they have, there would be chaos. Where do you think Laws of math and physics came from, a dark empty space void or a creator with a plan. Thats what I believe anyways and Im by no means a religeous person.


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Re: DELETED [Re: Zylo]
    #549691 - 02/13/02 04:40 AM (22 years, 15 days ago)

hey you should have kept this open.


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InvisibleZylo
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Re: DELETED [Re: Mc_Face]
    #549713 - 02/13/02 05:49 AM (22 years, 15 days ago)

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Mc Face, you are a jackass..

"If there was no god things would not worked out as perfectly as they have, there would be chaos"

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Didn't you hear? A guy named Osama Bin Laden killed around 5,000 people and destroyed 2 of the most important buildings in the United States and is the head of a Terrorist organization that has bombed buildings in the past and kills people regularly...

OMG you are a jackass.....

Next...

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"Where do you think Laws of math and physics came from, a dark empty space void or a creator with a plan"

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Ever hear of something called Science? I guess not...

1 +1 = 2, it is as simple as that... They are the laws of the Universe, God didn't make them up... If he is there or not makes no difference.... 1 + 1 = 2, God himself could not make 1 + 1 = 3....... It's just not possible.

They didn't come from anywhere, they just exist.... Simple as that.


Edited by Zylo (02/13/02 05:53 AM)


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Re: DELETED [Re: Zylo]
    #549769 - 02/13/02 07:12 AM (22 years, 15 days ago)

I think what he's saying is that science can explain the laws of nature, but they can't say where they came from. Sure, the force of gravitation is known to vary with the inverse square of the distance between objects, but why is this? Why not the inverse cube? Or something else entirely? There are certain laws of nature that can be understood, but not explained. The very fact the the universe has these immutable laws that cannot be broken implies a creator. Just because matter exists in this universe does not dictate how they should behave around other matter. Some kind of higher force must tell them how to behave, sort of like rules in a computer program.

If you still don't understand, take 5g of mushrooms and tell me you don't see God.


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InvisibleZylo
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Re: DELETED [Re: skaMariaPastora]
    #549794 - 02/13/02 07:56 AM (22 years, 15 days ago)

Your not understanding at all. A creator does not tell something how to behave.

Everything in the Universe contains certain properties. Liquids, Solids, Gases. They all behave differently. They were never told to behave a certain way. Their compositions and chemical makeups determine that. 1 + 1 was not told to = 2.

1 + 1 just ='s 2.

If you think it has to be "told" that. You're just an idiot.

Why even debate this if you think a creator must dictate things. Bullshit, that is just the way it is. Deal with it. A creator does not tell north magnatism to repell south magnatism. That's just the way it is..... North repells south. Simple as that.

I can't walk through a wall because I'm not smaller than an Atom. Simple as that. God did not say "Humans cannot walk through walls but electrons and things small enough can". That's just the way it is. I'm not small enough to pass through all the molecules and atoms that make up a brick wall or whatever. Air can pass through a screen door, but I can not, simply because I am to big. God does not have to dictate stupid shit like this. It's quite obvious that's just the way it is.... It makes perfect sense.... 1 + 1 = 2, no shit eh........ I can not pass through a screen door but wind can, no shit eh? This is not a big mystery that needs solving, or a higher power to decide. That's the way it is...... It does not come from anywhere, THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS!

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"Sure, the force of gravitation is known to vary with the inverse square of the distance between objects, but why is this? "

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That's just how it is buddy..... How hard gravity pulls on you, depends how far away you are from the source.... And the Inverse square is the equation our brilliant scientists have discovered works! That's how strong EARTH'S gravity is... Not gravity on other planets. It varies numbnuts.... If you go to Jupiter for instance... There is a different formula to calculate how strong the gravity is...

And gravity has NOTHING to do with how big or small a planet is.. Did God go to each planet and decide, ok, now the gravity here will be blah blah blah.. Next planet, he changes the gravity? That's stupid....

That's just how it is. The Inverse square is the equation to work out the force of gravity here on earth. Go to a different planet and you'll get a different equation. This is not Godly stuff here buddy, it's all science. We can explain it all. And if not yet, we will in a few years..... Science CAN 100% explain everything in this universe. That is what science is about. No God, No supernatual powers... Only science, mathematics, physics and all that good stuff. Those are the rules that govern this universe....... There is always a 100% perfectly logical explanation for EVERYTHING in the universe. If we don't know it, we just weren't smart enough to figure it out... But the reason is always there.


Next....

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"Some kind of higher force must tell them how to behave"

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Um..... No, there doesn't... That's just the way it is. Plain and simple......

Do you think electrons bumped into each other and said "WAIT! We have to ask God how to react" Um...... No, they didn't... They just react the way they react chemically, magnetically, whatever.......


1 + 1 = 2

God did not make this up. That is just how it is.
Just like EVERY other law in the universe governing physics and math. he didn't make it up. That's just how it works. It's an unchangable law that will always exist.
In it's simplest and purest form.


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"The very fact the the universe has these immutable laws that cannot be broken implies a creator"

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Um... No sir, what you think that things should react differently all the time? Of course these laws are Immutable... If you mix yellow and red, you get orange... What? If there wasn't a God you think you might get blue one time, possibly brown? No sir, don't say stupid things like that.... Immutable laws are not evidence and do not imply a creator.. Things don't happen at random buddy, of course they are immutable, that makes perfect sense doesn't it........ Red and Yellow ALWAYS make orange... If it made blue sometimes, that wouldn't make any sense now would it? You are suggesting since they always make orange, that must mean there is a God. That is such a stupid thing to say....



Edited by Zylo (02/13/02 08:11 AM)


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OfflineDivine_Madness
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Re: DELETED [Re: Zylo]
    #549918 - 02/13/02 10:06 AM (22 years, 15 days ago)

Now Im gonna ask you some tough questions:
Why does 1+1 equals 2?
Why is this the way it is?
Why does yellow and red make orange? Why not blue?
If yellow and red always made blue, would you ever think why it doesnt make orange?

How is it possible that people are so sure of hearing voices that are not their, but do hear them? How do you know for sure those voices are only in their head when you dont hear them?
Who says our imagination isnt so strong that we are so sure that a wall is their, that it seems like it is.
How do you know for sure your not walking though walls all the time, that you cant see?

From your other post: It is genetically programmed into our bodies to explore, learn and discover and understand our surroundings.
How is this programmed? Can you explain?

Have you ever tripped big time? How do you know for sure your not tripping right now? Maybe you forgot about it.

How do you know their are sounds if no one can hear?
How do you know their are colors if you cant see them?
How do you know anyone thinks except you?
How do you know I feel the way you do?
How do you know I am more than your own thoughts?

Also, doenst evolution prove their is some sort of higher form of consiousness present? Couse, how the hell did it start?

And how do you know your not understanding god in the wrong way?
Why wouldnt you call all that excists, the universe and beyond, God, if it is counsiouss? Would you believe a body is consious, if you were a cell of it? And if your friend cells called it Human, would you believe in the excistence of Human?

Isnt science explaining God?


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Edited by Divine_Madness (02/13/02 10:18 AM)


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Re: DELETED [Re: Divine_Madness]
    #549990 - 02/13/02 11:45 AM (22 years, 15 days ago)

If you believe in god you are stupid.


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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Zylo]
    #550007 - 02/13/02 12:01 PM (22 years, 15 days ago)

I despise all you fucks who tell others that they are stupid because they perceive reality different than you. Who are you to call those people stupid, ignorant, or programmed. And typingwords, I'm a Christian, e-mail me something that disproves Christianity, or proof of a creator. Go ahead you ignorant bitch.
I will have a good time.


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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Zylo]
    #550010 - 02/13/02 12:03 PM (22 years, 15 days ago)

Thomas Aquinas attempted to prove the existence of God in the 1200's. The sort of God who's existence he proved might not be everyone's idea of what God is like, i.e. not some guy who thinks but just something that causes things to be.

here's the proof


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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: mm.]
    #550033 - 02/13/02 12:20 PM (22 years, 15 days ago)

I believe christanlity to be very bad. It was once used as a form of control, and now people use it becuase they feel they need to belong. They are weak minded, and need to be told what to do. They are followers!! Everything they say contradicts itself. It's like every other religion out there. People can't exept the fact they have to die, and make disissions for themselves, and have a fucking personality, instead of being a damn robot. I'f you try and tell me that there is a dude up there looking after everything, your insane. Go play age of empires or something.
You sort of have to agree with whats his name on this one. Everything has it's properties, and you have to figure out how they work. not just tell them.(unless you believe in the theory of perseption or whatever). Christanity is just another form of control for the weak minded(my opinion)

everything I said is my opinion only, and was not said to offend other people , so dont read it if you can't take an opinion.


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Re: DELETED [Re: Zylo]
    #550060 - 02/13/02 12:50 PM (22 years, 15 days ago)

I find this argument very amusing because I used to think exactly like you do. But now I'm arguing the opposite point!

"The Inverse square is the equation to work out the force of gravity here on earth. Go to a different planet and you'll get a different equation. "

This is incorrect. Gravity is the same for all observers anywhere in the universe. F = G * m1 * m2 / r^2
My point is that why should two massive bodies attract each other? Why not repel? Why do they interact at all? Einstein explained this by thinking of space as curved, but this does not address the question of why. All I am saying is that perhaps whoever or whatever created this universe programmed into it certain rules for matter to behave, such as gravity, electromagnetism, quantum mechanics, etc. Reality is like a computer program. The programmer includes into the code certain rules. Why should we not assume that the reality we live in is directly analagous to such a program, who's programmer is the one we call God?

If you've ever studied quantum mechanics you'd realize that at very small scales, matter behaves completely counterintuitively and seemingly illogically. However, it behaves that way so that larger structures can exist the way they do, which can support life. I'm not saying that someone definately without a doubt created the universe, but it seems to be to be incredibly unlikely that physical laws would have organized themselves in just the way to support our intelligent selves.

Saying something "just is" just sidesteps the problem. It doesn't explain anything. You really should try to keep an open mind about things. If you're blinded by the steadfast belief in something, you'll never be open to opposing evidence if you ever come across it.

I don't pretend to know what God is, but believing that everything that exists in the universe happened as a freak chance is just as blind as believing something created it all. I certainly don't believe he is a person or anything, but there is something else out there, of that I am sure.

Also, don't call people idiots for believing a certain thing. That's certainly not the way to argue your point.


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Re: DELETED [Re: Zylo]
    #550083 - 02/13/02 01:09 PM (22 years, 15 days ago)

You are the stupidest, most ignorant, bigotted, fool I have ever had the displeasure of seeing on the shroomery.
If you can prove that God doesn't exist(which you can't) I know where you pick up one million dollars, no joke either you stupid son of a bitch.

AND FOR FUCKS SAKE MODERATORS WHY CAN'T WE GET A BLOCK OPTION.


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Re: DELETED [Re: PsilocyberSpace]
    #550169 - 02/13/02 02:20 PM (22 years, 15 days ago)

There's no need to be hostile. All people have different opinions and levels of understanding.


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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Zylo]
    #550205 - 02/13/02 02:45 PM (22 years, 15 days ago)

In my experience, there are many gods and godesses. I've seen them.


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Re: DELETED [Re: Zylo]
    #550283 - 02/13/02 03:51 PM (22 years, 15 days ago)

dont ask me anything, i just dont know.



"And gravity has NOTHING to do with how big or small a planet is.."



the more mass, the stronger the pull? thats what i thought...







"Science CAN 100% explain everything in this universe."



what is the scientific explanation of why the universe and life exists to begin with?

where did it come from



i think im going to not believe in god because you are so smart and you are making all these valid points like "thats just how it is"



you are asking the believers to prove the existence of god, they are asking you to disprove it, and both sides cant prove a GODdamn thing
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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: NextGenHippie]
    #550294 - 02/13/02 04:01 PM (22 years, 15 days ago)

Eventually, gods and goddesses, are part of one whole, which you could call god, but even this is part of an even bigger group of gods which form a god.
god is infinite.

God is everything, you could call an atom also god. It is, look at its structure, its parts that form this atom with their structure and cooporation, it is all part of the atom, and form the atom.
Without the atom, these parts wouldnt be their. But without the parts, the atom would also not be their.

BTW, why would you believe in the excistence of atoms more that that you believe in the excistence of god?

Also, I agree that believing in God is stupid. Knowing seems much more effective.
Also why I wont say I "believe" in god, is couse everyone has a different picture of what god is, so If I would say I "believe" in him, most would think incorrect of what I "believe".
Saying I dont "believe" in god would be just as stupid.


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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Divine_Madness]
    #550369 - 02/13/02 05:29 PM (22 years, 15 days ago)

tard!!?? That's the dumbest word I think I have ever heard.


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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Zylo]
    #550372 - 02/13/02 05:33 PM (22 years, 15 days ago)

Ha, it's so funny because I was reading Lallafa's post and was enjoying it quite. He had a good point, and was making a good point, and then right at the end he ruined to whole thing by saying "tard":)  sometimes when I play goodbye blue sky on the guitar, I play the whole thing perfectly and at the very end of the song I hit a really bad flat note. It's so funny cuz it ruins everything. Sort of the same consept:)


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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Glacius]
    #550621 - 02/13/02 09:59 PM (22 years, 14 days ago)

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"i think im going to not believe in god because you are so smart and you are making all these valid points like "thats just how it is" "
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That wasn't my only point, your not reading. The previous poster said that God has to tell everything how to act. I just answered 1 of his questions. I did not every say to accept everythign in this world at face value. I only applied that to the Mathematics. 1 + 1 will always = 2. There is no big mystery here.. God has to tell  red and yellow together they make orange. I am saying no. That is wrong. God need not tell things how to be.

And Science can explain everything. Right now we have the big bang theory. And as I have said before. If we CAN NOT explain it right now, it is only because we haven't figured it out yet. Science can explain evolution, provide solid proof of this. You can't deny evolution to be truthful. It is just impossible to argue with fact.

You are not understanding, and you took one thing I said from one post...

"that's just the way it is"

Only for things like 1 + 1 = 2.....

That's just the way that is.. However, if you take a look at why life is able to thrive on planet earth, I won't tell you "That's just the way it is"

I will tell you that it is because earth is positioned in the perfect place for human life to evolve. The perfect temperature from the sun, the atmosphere and ozone layer and key to our lives.

You are just not seeing everything. I answered 1 of his questions, and now you take those words and think I apply that to science as a whole. How close minded you are and quick to say silly things. That was just stupid to say.......

Did you not understand i was answering 1 of his questions???? Do you not understand there are many points to an argument? obviously not....

Science can give us solid 100% proof of so many things.  WITH SOLID reason, they can explain everything to us. Why things react the way they do, etc etc....

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"Now Im gonna ask you some tough questions:
Why does 1+1 equals 2?
Why is this the way it is? "
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ha, this is not a tough question....  why does 1 + 1 = 2? Simple.  When human beings saw lets take for example a rock sitting by itself. We assigned it a value of "1 rock"  we human beings made this number up.. Then, when anothe rock is placed beside it, we assigned it a value of "1 rock" now, when you count hte rocks, we decided to make them equal a value of "2 rocks". God did not make this. HUMAN BEINGS did this! Yes, Science buddy... These are all numbers we have assigned. They are OUR way of measuring our universe. They are all forms of measurment for human beings to understand our surroundings.


You see, there is your explanation....

Don't say stupid things please.

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"the more mass, the stronger the pull "
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Um, sorry sir... You are wrong... Black Holes are EXTREMELY small, and have EXTREMELY high gravitational pull. More so than almost everything else in the universe.. So you are dead wrong sir....


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By someone else.
"If you can prove that God doesn't exist(which you can't)"
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Um... Ok, prove to me that I don't possess the ability to fly, the ability to see through walls...

What you are saying is like me asking to you prove that I can't fly or see through walls.......

GOD has never shown his face. Has never provided proof of his existence other than blind faith. That is the same as asking you to believe I can see through walls becaus I tell you I can....

You can't PROVE I can't, since you can't see through my eyes..... What I have to do is PROVE to you that I CAN see through walls. See, this is how we arive with FACTUAL evidence....  If I make a claim that I can see through walls, I better be able to back that up with evidence or else NO ONE would believe me right???

Well, same with religion buddy... He's not there until he proves it.....

Thinking otherwise is stupid. Your obviously a moron believing in something that is not there and is ZERO proof of.......

I really can see through walls... I have no proof, do you believe me???
If you believe in God, you should believe me to, going by your way of thinking....

I don't care what an idiot like you thinks :smile:  And i'm glad I got you mad.

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"Also, doenst evolution prove their is some sort of higher form of consiousness present? Couse, how the hell did it start? "
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Just keep those stupid comments coming...

You have obviously never studied evolution......

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"The Inverse square is the equation to work out the force of gravity here on earth. Go to a different planet and you'll get a different equation. "

This is incorrect. Gravity is the same for all observers anywhere in the universe. F = G * m1 * m2 / r^2 "
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Um no sir... You are incorrect. Black holes do not fit into that equation. I took astronomy in University, and our proffesor spent a very long time explaining that black holes and their gravity works differently then everything else. You are wrong sir.... sorry..


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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Zylo]
    #550650 - 02/13/02 10:40 PM (22 years, 14 days ago)


Have you ever noticed that the people who try to convince you of the existance of God are most of the time peaceful and open minded and the ones who try to convince you otherwise are hostile and mean. Why do you think that is? besides I dont think you can convince anyone there's a God they have to find out for themselves.


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    #550651 - 02/13/02 10:40 PM (22 years, 14 days ago)

Ganja, I am sorry for saying christians are stupid. What I meant to say is that their ideas seem very stupid to me, and I am a very smart person, and I feel sorry for christians because their ideas are so closed-minded. I just can't accept the reality that they perceive. I am not going to email you something that disproves christianity, because I am not an "ignorant bitch". I know that that is impossible. Maybe christianity is true. but if christianity is true, and the god they worship is real, then that god can suck my dick! because I don't believe in a god who is as stupid as us humans who has the right to judge all of us humans. If god did that then he wouldn't be a wonderful god, he would just be a stupid human. so fuck him. there are no "sins", there is only love. Love is the only thing thats real.


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    #550687 - 02/13/02 11:26 PM (22 years, 14 days ago)

The reason I am hostile is because I'm sick of people preaching to me. My best friend of 20 years suddenly decided 6 months ago that he was going to get into his religion hardcore. He got rid of all his friends (except me, we're like brothers).
But he preaches to me all the time, telling me how the way I live my life is wrong and shit. Fuck all that. That is why I get so pissed off about religion. Every single person I have ever talked to that has believed in God, whatever religion, has really really really pissed me off pushing their bullshit beliefs on me and I'm sick of it.

Plus just the fact that God doesn't exist, it blows my mind people actually belive in something they have no proof of... It's unbelievable.......

I just think that people who believe in religion are weak people. They need something to fill that gap in their life for whatever reason... They are weak.


IMO.

You're all entitled to yours as well.

Well, as long as we're talking about stupid people................

This argument is ridiculous and i'm done with it....... :P So lets all have a good laugh at some people I'm sure we can all agree are 100% STUPID.






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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Zylo]
    #550688 - 02/13/02 11:32 PM (22 years, 14 days ago)

And on a final note....

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Have you ever noticed that the people who try to convince you of the existance of God are most of the time peaceful and open minded
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Um... sir, have you ever had anyone ring your doorbell and give you pamphlet and ask you to NOT believe in God?

Have you ever been stopped in the mall or on the streets by someone tryign to convince you to stop believing in God?

Um... sir.. No, Only religions do that....

Have you ever seen Athiests gather inside a building each sunday telling each other how we are so great, and how everyone else is wrong......

Um.. .sir... No, Only religions do stupid stuck up shit like that......

Only religions would gather each sunday to celebrate how high and mighty they are... And preach how right they are EVERY single week...

Sir... WTF are you talking about?

Didn't you hear? Christians used to KILL people for not beliving in God....

Sir, I do not kill anyone, and I have not ever heard of any story of an athiest killing a believer simply because they believe..... (Even if there is a few cases of this, Christians did this for YEARS, and as a large group).

Sir.. Please. Don't give me rabbit poop and tell me it's chocolate....


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    #550702 - 02/13/02 11:39 PM (22 years, 14 days ago)

And if your next comment might be something like "Oh, Christians do that, but not other religians like Buddhism" etc etc.....

Those religions are peaceful and are not about who is better. Well actually... Yes, they do tell me they are better... They are just passive about it... Apparently in some religions it is wrong for me to want personal possessions, as I will never achieve "enlightenment" if I like driving corvettes.......

Um.. This is quite stupid...

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Just for those of you who think I'm close minded. Um, no sir. I am not.

When It comes to religion, I'm not an idiot.

If you tell me you can see through walls, I will NEVER EVER believe you until you prove it..

I will NEVER EVER believe there is a GOD until he comes down here and tells me himself............. And then makes it rain bread or some shit like that......

But for now... You can not prove you can see through walls....

for now..... you can not prove God Exists...

for now... Science has lots of proof of evolution, laws of the universe etc etc..

Science is winning. Religion is losing. And will never win. No matter how weak your mind is, or what you want to believe.

When you die, worms will eat your coprse and you will ROT.

No more no less.


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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Zylo]
    #550801 - 02/14/02 01:34 AM (22 years, 14 days ago)

I agree with hostility on this one(not that I am being hostile). I am also sick of people preaching to me with there crazy believes. Every single religion out there tries to "convert" people to there religion, and doesn't care about other peoples opinions, exept there own. They are soo narrow minded. How could they go on believing something that we all know is a made up fantasy. Come back to the real world with the rest of us. I'f one is going to beleive in "god", than the only god we have is the human spirit, and what lies in our conciousness, not some dude up there judjing us.
And if christianity is so good, then why doesn't buddy up there stop all this pain and suffering were going through?? Of caurse if you ask that to a christian they will be like"well, god has his ways", or something crazy like that. The only evidence of god, has been Jesus. He may have been a savour and all that, and probably a very chill dude, but not the son of some overlord. You guys are in a prison for your mind. Do you have any idea of the possablilities in this world.
You say masturbation is wrong or something. Can you tell me with a strait face that you don't wack it sometime or another??didn't think so. the pope probably does it all the time. It's a natural human thing or whatever, and you say it's against your beleive, yet you commit it. But of caurse, only the faithfull get there sins forgiven. The rest of us don't seem to have that luxuary(sp). Christians can break there rules, but we can't cuase we will go to hell i'f god doesn't say"oh well, i'll let it go this time".

Maybe i'f you tried to change my mind about something belevable like the existence of extra terrestrials,but this whole christian thing has to stop, it's insane.

By now, we as human being's should be able to make our own dicissions. We should at least be wise enough to know the real world from a dream world, though up by a bunch of fools hundreds of years ago. work with me people!! Lets start talking real world style!!
I can't beleive someone has not said"hey, maybe this god thing isn't such a good use of my time" or something.

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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Zylo]
    #550830 - 02/14/02 02:27 AM (22 years, 14 days ago)

Consider this.

The human body is a very ingenuis design. It's obvious someone put a lot of thought into designing it. The same with the whole system of life feeding on life and all organisms living together to create a cycle of life. Someone made this shit right, so it would all work out. Nature isn't something just happened by coincedence. Someone created it. That someone would have to be what we call God, our Creator of all that is.

So, if there is no God, where did our existence originate?

I personally know that God exists, because when I pray for certain things, I always recieve what I pray for. I know that's not proof for anyone else, but I dont care. I know what i know.

BTW I want to start my own religion, is this possible? (I know its possible to do, but is it possible to do it where the law respects the beliefs of the religion?)


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    #550892 - 02/14/02 04:42 AM (22 years, 14 days ago)

OMG.....

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The human body is a very ingenuis design. It's obvious someone put a lot of thought into designing it. The same with the whole system of life feeding on life and all organisms living together to create a cycle of life.
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Well gee, that makes perfect fucking sense now doesn't it?

We couldn't very well be alive if we had no veins, no blood, no heart, no brain...

What? You want a walking pile of goop to show you God doesn't exist?

I tell you what, If I ever saw a pile of goop take the form of a human and walk around and talk to me, then I'd believe in God! That would be some crazy shit!

Oh, and the life cycle. yes that makes sense.... This world can hold the life it can support..... WTF kind of argument are you making? You have no point here...

Science explains all this shit.... It's not evidence...


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Someone made this shit right, so it would all work out. Nature isn't something just happened by coincedence. Someone created it. That someone would have to be what we call God, our Creator of all that is.
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Again, you have obviously NEVER heard of Evolution and NEVER studied Darwin at all in any depth..... That's all I have to say about that. Again, total stupidity coming from the religious side here... We didn't just appear as humans, we evolved from Microscopic life forms over MILLIONS and BILLIONS of years..

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So, if there is no God, where did our existence originate?
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Right back at you... Where did God's Existence originate?

This is just stupid. You ask where we came from? Where the fuck did God come from?

Surely you can see how stupid this is....

Just ask yourself this.. What is more believable?

That GOD a being who commands the powers and laws of the universe created life by shear will alone. He said "Let there be light" and suddenly light appears....
This guy is a fucking magician!

OR, is it more believable that Some single celled life form evolved over MILLIONS and BILLIONS of years into what we are today, we posses no "special powers"

Whatever created GOD, could have created us WAY easier.....

That is one of the stupidest arguments religion has..

"If there is no god, where did we come from"

For fucks sake people........ And if you try telling me "God created himself, or God has just always been there"

Well whoop de shit, I guess you can say just as easily, The universe created itself, or the universe has just always been there"

That is so weak....

"I personally know that God exists, because when I pray for certain things, I always recieve what I pray for. I know that's not proof for anyone else, but I dont care. I know what i know. "

Dude, you do NOT know God exists. Pray for 1 million dollars to arrive under my bed tomorrow for me when I wake up... Then I'll be a believer.....


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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Zylo]
    #551094 - 02/14/02 10:01 AM (22 years, 14 days ago)

Have you ever considert the fact that except for the standart religions, everyone has a different picture of god? Not everyone sees god as some stupid old authority guy up there in the sky.
I agree with you on the christian god and stuff.
But, to bad for them christians, we create our own reality, so for some, that god does really excist.


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    #551165 - 02/14/02 11:17 AM (22 years, 14 days ago)

yeah, i had to add the tard to let him know he was stupid
because he says things like this"
"And Science can explain everything. Right now we have the big bang theory."

do you know what this theory is?
where did the extremely dense ball of mass come from?

"Science can explain evolution, provide solid proof of this. You can't deny evolution to be truthful. It is just impossible to argue with fact."

i believe in evolution. that doesnt mean there isnt a god

"Um, sorry sir... You are wrong... Black Holes are EXTREMELY small, and have EXTREMELY high gravitational pull. More so than almost everything else in the universe.. So you are dead wrong sir...."

we dont know much about black holes, and there is a theory that they consist of insanely large amounts of mass

the greater the mass, the more gravity.
everyone knows this, look it up. you were wrong
stop using black holes, something we dont fully understand, to to try and prove your point
"I took astronomy in University, and our proffesor spent a very long time explaining that black holes and their gravity works differently then everything else."
really? what university did you go to?
i would love to laugh at your proffesor for teaching things that havent been proven and that we know virtually nothing about

todays scientists widely accept that gravity is constant throughout the universe
furthermore no one can explain why gravity exists
greater the mass, greater the gravitational pull

if you are going to post scientific facts, they probably should be correct

"Thinking otherwise is stupid. Your obviously a moron believing in something that is not there and is ZERO proof of......."

i really dont think you should be calling anyone stupid, because its not like you are coming off as having any sort of intelligence or rational thought. you are trying to use science to disprove god. i dont care how many facts you post, it doesnt prove anything about the existence of god
im guessing you are no more than 13 years old


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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Lallafa]
    #551332 - 02/14/02 01:40 PM (22 years, 14 days ago)

Evolution did a great job on creating the human body. It got more and more equiped for dealing with the world, over a long period of time. Noone designed us, we designed ourselves through evolution and natural selection. We adapted, it's very simple. Hey I stubed my toe!!! FUCK!!!!!!


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    #551344 - 02/14/02 01:57 PM (22 years, 14 days ago)

Zulu is on a role here, you have to agree with him. Zulu, are you an athlete, cuz sometimes they are no better than christians when it comes to judjing people. I am an athlete, but not a competitive one, just skiing and shit. I am a pothead!! anyway, more proving our point.... ok.....

The circle of life is quite simple accually. Now, when your a bunch of organisms fighting to servive way back in the day or whatever, you need to find a food source right. Well god didn't do that, they evolved to do that. There body needed to find a way to turn dead organisms or plants into nutreints for them to servive, so they adapted to be able to do that. A tree dies, it docomposes, and turns to soil, which can feed trees with the nutrients to servive. Just like when an animal dies, it can provide a cornivor, with the nutreints it need to servive. Over time we became omnivores. Do you think we were like that before, way back in the day??No. We adapted.

It's like the whole adam and eve thing. I'f god just through a couple people down into his garden(yeah right), and said ok go for it. They would fuck and have kids. Who the hell would there kids fuck?? Each other, so in other words were all a bunch of inbreads?? that doesn't make sense, how would we servive so long, i'f we were all weak, and not naturaly selected or whatever.
It's a very nieve way of explaining the world around you(dhristianity). People are to fucking lazy to go find out for themselves, so they make up a story that can explain it for them, and go on believing that because they are too lazy to figure shit out(or stupid)


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    #551351 - 02/14/02 02:04 PM (22 years, 14 days ago)

Lalllafa has a good point too. We don't know very much about black holes. I'f you believe in a god, and evolution, thats acceptible, as long as you arent christian, becuase what they say is totally against evolution, and doesn't make any sense. there very well could be a god, just not the way christians beleive him, or it to be. The only point I am trying to make is that christianity is wrong. look at the spanish inquesition. fucking insane!! Or all the catholic preists molesting there children becuase they arent allowed to have sex, i dont know. There all insane. Praise the lord!! Praise this you pedifiles and murderers!!!!!!!


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    #551358 - 02/14/02 02:10 PM (22 years, 14 days ago)

of course.
the theory of evolution makes a lot of sense, although there is still much we don?t understand.
i accept it as fact that organisms evolve
you don?t have to be a Christian to believe in god
and you don?t have to not believe in evolution or science

the few christians i have met that possess rational logical reasonings, see the bible as a metaphor.
adam and eve could represent the first living cells

i dont think that there is much truth to the bible
but so what?
it makes some people happy, and helps some people become better people.
when people use it to kill others or tell people they are going to hell, i have a problem with it


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    #551375 - 02/14/02 02:25 PM (22 years, 14 days ago)

Yeah, very good point. I think the bible is what you make of it, and i'f it makes people better, than good to it. Just like a gun, it depends on the person using it. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. I'f someone does wrongwith the bible or god or something, than that doesn't really mean it's bad, it just means that the person using it is bad. this also goes for everything. I still think christianity is bad though, but the reason being is that people are using it for the wrong perposes. the biblr is a good fairy take,and book of knowlenge, but thats all it is. it's a book...a story, and nothing more. Nothing more than the lord of the rings, or the hobbit, or any other good book out there.


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    #551380 - 02/14/02 02:30 PM (22 years, 14 days ago)

I'f you believe in a god, and evolution, thats acceptible, as long as you arent christian, becuase what they say is totally against evolution, and doesn't make any sense.

acceptable?!?!
if someone wants to believe the earth is flat, they arent harming others, and it makes them happy, exactly what is the problem?
they may be wrong
so what?

when did people have to be right to be happy?

and like i said, there are some people who take the bible storys as metaphors

"there very well could be a god, just not the way christians beleive him, or it to be."

why not?
i happen to think that the bible is fiction, but why is what they think about god wrong?

The only point I am trying to make is that christianity is wrong. look at the spanish inquesition. fucking insane!!

its not wrong, the people who use it to cause harm are wrong
many religions have cause all kinds of insane wars
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