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Hey, if anyone wants to keep discussing with me. Go right ahead. If you think God exists or try to tell me he does, I'm going to make you look like a Moron though...
But go ahead and try....

Edited by Zylo (02/13/02 07:56 AM)

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Re: God Does NOT exist *WARNING EXTREMLEY OFFENSIVE* [Re: Zylo]
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I think somebody has an incest issue...

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Re: God Does NOT exist *WARNING EXTREMLEY OFFENSIV [Re: dizZy_bOy]
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I don't really believe in god, but go d could exist without christianity having to be true. Obviously christianity is stupid. I don't think anyone here is a christian. And a lot of christians don't even take the bible (old testament) literally, they just use it as a system of stories to symbolize their beliefs and values. For these reasons and lots more, your post is kind of stupid. actually it may be the stupidest possible post I can imagine at the moment.....I'm hoping you are no older than 12, because that would be just sad.


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Re: God Does NOT exist *WARNING EXTREMLEY OFFENSIV [Re: Typingwords]
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Oh, I don't care what religion you are. IMO (everyone is entitled to theirs) it is silly to believe in a "higher power" no matter what. I was just picking on christians today.....

And my last post was meant to get people who believe in religion upset, it's one of my favorite hobbies...

IMO

There is no God. He/She whatever has never shown themselves. There is ZERO proof of a "Gods" existence at all. ZERO proof. Not a single shred of evidence. Just blind faith. That is total B.S.

Seriously though, believing in a God is just as foolish as a child as beliving that Santa Claus really can come to every house in the entire world in one night, and really can fit that many toys into his sled. It's just ridiculous.

SCIENCE on the other hand has TONS of proof/evidence of evolutions. Fossils, bones, carbon dating, scientific theories like Darwin which HAVE been proven. Physical evidence, as well as scientific proof all tell us 100% that we evolved just like every other animal on this earth.

:P

Edited by Zylo (02/13/02 06:05 AM)

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Re: God Does NOT exist *WARNING EXTREMLEY OFFENSIV [Re: Typingwords]
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well okay I just read another one of your posts, and I can now see you are probably not twelve, so I take that back. sorry. but perhaps you should consider changing the title to "Christianity is fucking stupid" instead of "God does not exist". Yes, christians worship this "man-like" god who has all these stupid human qualities, because christians are too stupid to realize how stupid they are. I think there's a good chance there's a god, but it's not some guy standing up there judging everyone and everything.
I think god is just a big mass of love that makes up all of the love, and it might be conscious of itself, or it might just be all living things together making up the one consciousness. actually it's probably both of the two. BUt by "conscious of itself" you want to think of consciousness as in human consciousness, but it's not anything like that. It's beyond our mind to comprehend. But it would still be a "god". The ultimate power and creator.


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Re: God Does NOT exist *WARNING EXTREMLEY OFFENSIV [Re: Typingwords]
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Typingwords, it's cool, I like to fuck around sometimes (Eg. this post)

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Re: God Does NOT exist *WARNING EXTREMLEY OFFENSIV [Re: Zylo]
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it's all good homie


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Re: God Does NOT exist *WARNING EXTREMLEY OFFENSIV [Re: Typingwords]
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I agree with the whole idea about modern christianity being completely retarded.There were/are some rather interesting sects of christianity but the whole idea of a higher power is some rather hard to swallow shit.The arguement "The creation needs a creator" while a creator IS a creation,so who created this god.Its a fucking paradox.I just take it as fun and games and a silly mystical "Oh I'm so special that a being who could create a universe gives a flying shit about me.Pretty narcisstic if you ask me.But your free to believe any kind of crazy bullshit you want,as long as you don't try to shove your beliefs down my throat.


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Re: DELETED [Re: Zylo]
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The stories your refering to were written in a time when people had little or no education so they make little sense today. There not to be taken litteraly. Its possible to believe in evolution and god. If there was no god things would not worked out as perfectly as they have, there would be chaos. Where do you think Laws of math and physics came from, a dark empty space void or a creator with a plan. Thats what I believe anyways and Im by no means a religeous person.

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Re: DELETED [Re: Zylo]
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hey you should have kept this open.

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Re: DELETED [Re: Mc_Face]
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Mc Face, you are a jackass..

"If there was no god things would not worked out as perfectly as they have, there would be chaos"

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Didn't you hear? A guy named Osama Bin Laden killed around 5,000 people and destroyed 2 of the most important buildings in the United States and is the head of a Terrorist organization that has bombed buildings in the past and kills people regularly...

OMG you are a jackass.....

Next...

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"Where do you think Laws of math and physics came from, a dark empty space void or a creator with a plan"

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Ever hear of something called Science? I guess not...

1 +1 = 2, it is as simple as that... They are the laws of the Universe, God didn't make them up... If he is there or not makes no difference.... 1 + 1 = 2, God himself could not make 1 + 1 = 3....... It's just not possible.

They didn't come from anywhere, they just exist.... Simple as that.

Edited by Zylo (02/13/02 07:53 AM)

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Re: DELETED [Re: Zylo]
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I think what he's saying is that science can explain the laws of nature, but they can't say where they came from. Sure, the force of gravitation is known to vary with the inverse square of the distance between objects, but why is this? Why not the inverse cube? Or something else entirely? There are certain laws of nature that can be understood, but not explained. The very fact the the universe has these immutable laws that cannot be broken implies a creator. Just because matter exists in this universe does not dictate how they should behave around other matter. Some kind of higher force must tell them how to behave, sort of like rules in a computer program.

If you still don't understand, take 5g of mushrooms and tell me you don't see God.

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Re: DELETED [Re: skaMariaPastora]
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Your not understanding at all. A creator does not tell something how to behave.

Everything in the Universe contains certain properties. Liquids, Solids, Gases. They all behave differently. They were never told to behave a certain way. Their compositions and chemical makeups determine that. 1 + 1 was not told to = 2.

1 + 1 just ='s 2.

If you think it has to be "told" that. You're just an idiot.

Why even debate this if you think a creator must dictate things. Bullshit, that is just the way it is. Deal with it. A creator does not tell north magnatism to repell south magnatism. That's just the way it is..... North repells south. Simple as that.

I can't walk through a wall because I'm not smaller than an Atom. Simple as that. God did not say "Humans cannot walk through walls but electrons and things small enough can". That's just the way it is. I'm not small enough to pass through all the molecules and atoms that make up a brick wall or whatever. Air can pass through a screen door, but I can not, simply because I am to big. God does not have to dictate stupid shit like this. It's quite obvious that's just the way it is.... It makes perfect sense.... 1 + 1 = 2, no shit eh........ I can not pass through a screen door but wind can, no shit eh? This is not a big mystery that needs solving, or a higher power to decide. That's the way it is...... It does not come from anywhere, THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS!

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"Sure, the force of gravitation is known to vary with the inverse square of the distance between objects, but why is this? "

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That's just how it is buddy..... How hard gravity pulls on you, depends how far away you are from the source.... And the Inverse square is the equation our brilliant scientists have discovered works! That's how strong EARTH'S gravity is... Not gravity on other planets. It varies numbnuts.... If you go to Jupiter for instance... There is a different formula to calculate how strong the gravity is...

And gravity has NOTHING to do with how big or small a planet is.. Did God go to each planet and decide, ok, now the gravity here will be blah blah blah.. Next planet, he changes the gravity? That's stupid....

That's just how it is. The Inverse square is the equation to work out the force of gravity here on earth. Go to a different planet and you'll get a different equation. This is not Godly stuff here buddy, it's all science. We can explain it all. And if not yet, we will in a few years..... Science CAN 100% explain everything in this universe. That is what science is about. No God, No supernatual powers... Only science, mathematics, physics and all that good stuff. Those are the rules that govern this universe....... There is always a 100% perfectly logical explanation for EVERYTHING in the universe. If we don't know it, we just weren't smart enough to figure it out... But the reason is always there.


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"Some kind of higher force must tell them how to behave"

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Um..... No, there doesn't... That's just the way it is. Plain and simple......

Do you think electrons bumped into each other and said "WAIT! We have to ask God how to react" Um...... No, they didn't... They just react the way they react chemically, magnetically, whatever.......


1 + 1 = 2

God did not make this up. That is just how it is.
Just like EVERY other law in the universe governing physics and math. he didn't make it up. That's just how it works. It's an unchangable law that will always exist.
In it's simplest and purest form.


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"The very fact the the universe has these immutable laws that cannot be broken implies a creator"

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Um... No sir, what you think that things should react differently all the time? Of course these laws are Immutable... If you mix yellow and red, you get orange... What? If there wasn't a God you think you might get blue one time, possibly brown? No sir, don't say stupid things like that.... Immutable laws are not evidence and do not imply a creator.. Things don't happen at random buddy, of course they are immutable, that makes perfect sense doesn't it........ Red and Yellow ALWAYS make orange... If it made blue sometimes, that wouldn't make any sense now would it? You are suggesting since they always make orange, that must mean there is a God. That is such a stupid thing to say....


Edited by Zylo (02/13/02 10:11 AM)

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Re: DELETED [Re: Zylo]
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Now Im gonna ask you some tough questions:
Why does 1+1 equals 2?
Why is this the way it is?
Why does yellow and red make orange? Why not blue?
If yellow and red always made blue, would you ever think why it doesnt make orange?

How is it possible that people are so sure of hearing voices that are not their, but do hear them? How do you know for sure those voices are only in their head when you dont hear them?
Who says our imagination isnt so strong that we are so sure that a wall is their, that it seems like it is.
How do you know for sure your not walking though walls all the time, that you cant see?

From your other post: It is genetically programmed into our bodies to explore, learn and discover and understand our surroundings.
How is this programmed? Can you explain?

Have you ever tripped big time? How do you know for sure your not tripping right now? Maybe you forgot about it.

How do you know their are sounds if no one can hear?
How do you know their are colors if you cant see them?
How do you know anyone thinks except you?
How do you know I feel the way you do?
How do you know I am more than your own thoughts?

Also, doenst evolution prove their is some sort of higher form of consiousness present? Couse, how the hell did it start?

And how do you know your not understanding god in the wrong way?
Why wouldnt you call all that excists, the universe and beyond, God, if it is counsiouss? Would you believe a body is consious, if you were a cell of it? And if your friend cells called it Human, would you believe in the excistence of Human?

Isnt science explaining God?


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Edited by Divine_Madness (02/13/02 12:18 PM)

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Re: DELETED [Re: Divine_Madness]
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If you believe in god you are stupid.


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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Zylo]
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I despise all you fucks who tell others that they are stupid because they perceive reality different than you. Who are you to call those people stupid, ignorant, or programmed. And typingwords, I'm a Christian, e-mail me something that disproves Christianity, or proof of a creator. Go ahead you ignorant bitch.
I will have a good time.

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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Zylo]
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Thomas Aquinas attempted to prove the existence of God in the 1200's. The sort of God who's existence he proved might not be everyone's idea of what God is like, i.e. not some guy who thinks but just something that causes things to be.

here's the proof


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Edited by mm. (02/13/02 02:04 PM)

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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: mm.]
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I believe christanlity to be very bad. It was once used as a form of control, and now people use it becuase they feel they need to belong. They are weak minded, and need to be told what to do. They are followers!! Everything they say contradicts itself. It's like every other religion out there. People can't exept the fact they have to die, and make disissions for themselves, and have a fucking personality, instead of being a damn robot. I'f you try and tell me that there is a dude up there looking after everything, your insane. Go play age of empires or something.
You sort of have to agree with whats his name on this one. Everything has it's properties, and you have to figure out how they work. not just tell them.(unless you believe in the theory of perseption or whatever). Christanity is just another form of control for the weak minded(my opinion)

everything I said is my opinion only, and was not said to offend other people , so dont read it if you can't take an opinion.


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Re: DELETED [Re: Zylo]
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I find this argument very amusing because I used to think exactly like you do. But now I'm arguing the opposite point!

"The Inverse square is the equation to work out the force of gravity here on earth. Go to a different planet and you'll get a different equation. "

This is incorrect. Gravity is the same for all observers anywhere in the universe. F = G * m1 * m2 / r^2
My point is that why should two massive bodies attract each other? Why not repel? Why do they interact at all? Einstein explained this by thinking of space as curved, but this does not address the question of why. All I am saying is that perhaps whoever or whatever created this universe programmed into it certain rules for matter to behave, such as gravity, electromagnetism, quantum mechanics, etc. Reality is like a computer program. The programmer includes into the code certain rules. Why should we not assume that the reality we live in is directly analagous to such a program, who's programmer is the one we call God?

If you've ever studied quantum mechanics you'd realize that at very small scales, matter behaves completely counterintuitively and seemingly illogically. However, it behaves that way so that larger structures can exist the way they do, which can support life. I'm not saying that someone definately without a doubt created the universe, but it seems to be to be incredibly unlikely that physical laws would have organized themselves in just the way to support our intelligent selves.

Saying something "just is" just sidesteps the problem. It doesn't explain anything. You really should try to keep an open mind about things. If you're blinded by the steadfast belief in something, you'll never be open to opposing evidence if you ever come across it.

I don't pretend to know what God is, but believing that everything that exists in the universe happened as a freak chance is just as blind as believing something created it all. I certainly don't believe he is a person or anything, but there is something else out there, of that I am sure.

Also, don't call people idiots for believing a certain thing. That's certainly not the way to argue your point.

Edited by skaMariaPastora (02/13/02 02:58 PM)

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Re: DELETED [Re: Zylo]
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You are the stupidest, most ignorant, bigotted, fool I have ever had the displeasure of seeing on the shroomery.
If you can prove that God doesn't exist(which you can't) I know where you pick up one million dollars, no joke either you stupid son of a bitch.

AND FOR FUCKS SAKE MODERATORS WHY CAN'T WE GET A BLOCK OPTION.


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