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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: DELETED [Re: PsilocyberSpace]
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There's no need to be hostile. All people have different opinions and levels of understanding.

Edited by skaMariaPastora (02/13/02 02:26 PM)

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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Zylo]
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In my experience, there are many gods and godesses. I've seen them.


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[pot]Think left and think right[pot]
[pot]and think low and think high[pot]
[pot]Oh, the thinks you can think up if only you try[pot]
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Re: DELETED [Re: Zylo]
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dont ask me anything, i just dont know.



"And gravity has NOTHING to do with how big or small a planet is.."



the more mass, the stronger the pull? thats what i thought...







"Science CAN 100% explain everything in this universe."



what is the scientific explanation of why the universe and life exists to begin with?

where did it come from



i think im going to not believe in god because you are so smart and you are making all these valid points like "thats just how it is"



you are asking the believers to prove the existence of god, they are asking you to disprove it, and both sides cant prove a GODdamn thing
hi


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my tax dollars going to more hits of acid for charles manson

Edited by Lallafa (12/25/10 01:52 PM)

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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: NextGenHippie]
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Eventually, gods and goddesses, are part of one whole, which you could call god, but even this is part of an even bigger group of gods which form a god.
god is infinite.

God is everything, you could call an atom also god. It is, look at its structure, its parts that form this atom with their structure and cooporation, it is all part of the atom, and form the atom.
Without the atom, these parts wouldnt be their. But without the parts, the atom would also not be their.

BTW, why would you believe in the excistence of atoms more that that you believe in the excistence of god?

Also, I agree that believing in God is stupid. Knowing seems much more effective.
Also why I wont say I "believe" in god, is couse everyone has a different picture of what god is, so If I would say I "believe" in him, most would think incorrect of what I "believe".
Saying I dont "believe" in god would be just as stupid.


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its all placebo

Edited by Divine_Madness (02/13/02 04:05 PM)

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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Divine_Madness]
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tard!!?? That's the dumbest word I think I have ever heard.


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addicted to reason
a hollow understanding trapped me
I cannot see outside but its calling

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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Zylo]
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Ha, it's so funny because I was reading Lallafa's post and was enjoying it quite. He had a good point, and was making a good point, and then right at the end he ruined to whole thing by saying "tard":)  sometimes when I play goodbye blue sky on the guitar, I play the whole thing perfectly and at the very end of the song I hit a really bad flat note. It's so funny cuz it ruins everything. Sort of the same consept:)


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addicted to reason
a hollow understanding trapped me
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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Glacius]
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"i think im going to not believe in god because you are so smart and you are making all these valid points like "thats just how it is" "
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That wasn't my only point, your not reading. The previous poster said that God has to tell everything how to act. I just answered 1 of his questions. I did not every say to accept everythign in this world at face value. I only applied that to the Mathematics. 1 + 1 will always = 2. There is no big mystery here.. God has to tell  red and yellow together they make orange. I am saying no. That is wrong. God need not tell things how to be.

And Science can explain everything. Right now we have the big bang theory. And as I have said before. If we CAN NOT explain it right now, it is only because we haven't figured it out yet. Science can explain evolution, provide solid proof of this. You can't deny evolution to be truthful. It is just impossible to argue with fact.

You are not understanding, and you took one thing I said from one post...

"that's just the way it is"

Only for things like 1 + 1 = 2.....

That's just the way that is.. However, if you take a look at why life is able to thrive on planet earth, I won't tell you "That's just the way it is"

I will tell you that it is because earth is positioned in the perfect place for human life to evolve. The perfect temperature from the sun, the atmosphere and ozone layer and key to our lives.

You are just not seeing everything. I answered 1 of his questions, and now you take those words and think I apply that to science as a whole. How close minded you are and quick to say silly things. That was just stupid to say.......

Did you not understand i was answering 1 of his questions???? Do you not understand there are many points to an argument? obviously not....

Science can give us solid 100% proof of so many things.  WITH SOLID reason, they can explain everything to us. Why things react the way they do, etc etc....

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"Now Im gonna ask you some tough questions:
Why does 1+1 equals 2?
Why is this the way it is? "
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ha, this is not a tough question....  why does 1 + 1 = 2? Simple.  When human beings saw lets take for example a rock sitting by itself. We assigned it a value of "1 rock"  we human beings made this number up.. Then, when anothe rock is placed beside it, we assigned it a value of "1 rock" now, when you count hte rocks, we decided to make them equal a value of "2 rocks". God did not make this. HUMAN BEINGS did this! Yes, Science buddy... These are all numbers we have assigned. They are OUR way of measuring our universe. They are all forms of measurment for human beings to understand our surroundings.


You see, there is your explanation....

Don't say stupid things please.

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"the more mass, the stronger the pull "
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Um, sorry sir... You are wrong... Black Holes are EXTREMELY small, and have EXTREMELY high gravitational pull. More so than almost everything else in the universe.. So you are dead wrong sir....


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By someone else.
"If you can prove that God doesn't exist(which you can't)"
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Um... Ok, prove to me that I don't possess the ability to fly, the ability to see through walls...

What you are saying is like me asking to you prove that I can't fly or see through walls.......

GOD has never shown his face. Has never provided proof of his existence other than blind faith. That is the same as asking you to believe I can see through walls becaus I tell you I can....

You can't PROVE I can't, since you can't see through my eyes..... What I have to do is PROVE to you that I CAN see through walls. See, this is how we arive with FACTUAL evidence....  If I make a claim that I can see through walls, I better be able to back that up with evidence or else NO ONE would believe me right???

Well, same with religion buddy... He's not there until he proves it.....

Thinking otherwise is stupid. Your obviously a moron believing in something that is not there and is ZERO proof of.......

I really can see through walls... I have no proof, do you believe me???
If you believe in God, you should believe me to, going by your way of thinking....

I don't care what an idiot like you thinks :smile:  And i'm glad I got you mad.

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"Also, doenst evolution prove their is some sort of higher form of consiousness present? Couse, how the hell did it start? "
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Just keep those stupid comments coming...

You have obviously never studied evolution......

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"The Inverse square is the equation to work out the force of gravity here on earth. Go to a different planet and you'll get a different equation. "

This is incorrect. Gravity is the same for all observers anywhere in the universe. F = G * m1 * m2 / r^2 "
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Um no sir... You are incorrect. Black holes do not fit into that equation. I took astronomy in University, and our proffesor spent a very long time explaining that black holes and their gravity works differently then everything else. You are wrong sir.... sorry..

Edited by Zylo (02/13/02 10:20 PM)

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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Zylo]
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Have you ever noticed that the people who try to convince you of the existance of God are most of the time peaceful and open minded and the ones who try to convince you otherwise are hostile and mean. Why do you think that is? besides I dont think you can convince anyone there's a God they have to find out for themselves.

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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Ganja]
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Ganja, I am sorry for saying christians are stupid. What I meant to say is that their ideas seem very stupid to me, and I am a very smart person, and I feel sorry for christians because their ideas are so closed-minded. I just can't accept the reality that they perceive. I am not going to email you something that disproves christianity, because I am not an "ignorant bitch". I know that that is impossible. Maybe christianity is true. but if christianity is true, and the god they worship is real, then that god can suck my dick! because I don't believe in a god who is as stupid as us humans who has the right to judge all of us humans. If god did that then he wouldn't be a wonderful god, he would just be a stupid human. so fuck him. there are no "sins", there is only love. Love is the only thing thats real.


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everything everyone everywhere.
forever and ever

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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Typingwords]
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The reason I am hostile is because I'm sick of people preaching to me. My best friend of 20 years suddenly decided 6 months ago that he was going to get into his religion hardcore. He got rid of all his friends (except me, we're like brothers).
But he preaches to me all the time, telling me how the way I live my life is wrong and shit. Fuck all that. That is why I get so pissed off about religion. Every single person I have ever talked to that has believed in God, whatever religion, has really really really pissed me off pushing their bullshit beliefs on me and I'm sick of it.

Plus just the fact that God doesn't exist, it blows my mind people actually belive in something they have no proof of... It's unbelievable.......

I just think that people who believe in religion are weak people. They need something to fill that gap in their life for whatever reason... They are weak.


IMO.

You're all entitled to yours as well.

Well, as long as we're talking about stupid people................

This argument is ridiculous and i'm done with it....... :P So lets all have a good laugh at some people I'm sure we can all agree are 100% STUPID.





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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Zylo]
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And on a final note....

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Have you ever noticed that the people who try to convince you of the existance of God are most of the time peaceful and open minded
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Um... sir, have you ever had anyone ring your doorbell and give you pamphlet and ask you to NOT believe in God?

Have you ever been stopped in the mall or on the streets by someone tryign to convince you to stop believing in God?

Um... sir.. No, Only religions do that....

Have you ever seen Athiests gather inside a building each sunday telling each other how we are so great, and how everyone else is wrong......

Um.. .sir... No, Only religions do stupid stuck up shit like that......

Only religions would gather each sunday to celebrate how high and mighty they are... And preach how right they are EVERY single week...

Sir... WTF are you talking about?

Didn't you hear? Christians used to KILL people for not beliving in God....

Sir, I do not kill anyone, and I have not ever heard of any story of an athiest killing a believer simply because they believe..... (Even if there is a few cases of this, Christians did this for YEARS, and as a large group).

Sir.. Please. Don't give me rabbit poop and tell me it's chocolate....

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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Zylo]
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And if your next comment might be something like "Oh, Christians do that, but not other religians like Buddhism" etc etc.....

Those religions are peaceful and are not about who is better. Well actually... Yes, they do tell me they are better... They are just passive about it... Apparently in some religions it is wrong for me to want personal possessions, as I will never achieve "enlightenment" if I like driving corvettes.......

Um.. This is quite stupid...

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Just for those of you who think I'm close minded. Um, no sir. I am not.

When It comes to religion, I'm not an idiot.

If you tell me you can see through walls, I will NEVER EVER believe you until you prove it..

I will NEVER EVER believe there is a GOD until he comes down here and tells me himself............. And then makes it rain bread or some shit like that......

But for now... You can not prove you can see through walls....

for now..... you can not prove God Exists...

for now... Science has lots of proof of evolution, laws of the universe etc etc..

Science is winning. Religion is losing. And will never win. No matter how weak your mind is, or what you want to believe.

When you die, worms will eat your coprse and you will ROT.

No more no less.

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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Zylo]
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I agree with hostility on this one(not that I am being hostile). I am also sick of people preaching to me with there crazy believes. Every single religion out there tries to "convert" people to there religion, and doesn't care about other peoples opinions, exept there own. They are soo narrow minded. How could they go on believing something that we all know is a made up fantasy. Come back to the real world with the rest of us. I'f one is going to beleive in "god", than the only god we have is the human spirit, and what lies in our conciousness, not some dude up there judjing us.
And if christianity is so good, then why doesn't buddy up there stop all this pain and suffering were going through?? Of caurse if you ask that to a christian they will be like"well, god has his ways", or something crazy like that. The only evidence of god, has been Jesus. He may have been a savour and all that, and probably a very chill dude, but not the son of some overlord. You guys are in a prison for your mind. Do you have any idea of the possablilities in this world.
You say masturbation is wrong or something. Can you tell me with a strait face that you don't wack it sometime or another??didn't think so. the pope probably does it all the time. It's a natural human thing or whatever, and you say it's against your beleive, yet you commit it. But of caurse, only the faithfull get there sins forgiven. The rest of us don't seem to have that luxuary(sp). Christians can break there rules, but we can't cuase we will go to hell i'f god doesn't say"oh well, i'll let it go this time".

Maybe i'f you tried to change my mind about something belevable like the existence of extra terrestrials,but this whole christian thing has to stop, it's insane.

By now, we as human being's should be able to make our own dicissions. We should at least be wise enough to know the real world from a dream world, though up by a bunch of fools hundreds of years ago. work with me people!! Lets start talking real world style!!
I can't beleive someone has not said"hey, maybe this god thing isn't such a good use of my time" or something.

(No offense intended!!opinion only)


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addicted to reason
a hollow understanding trapped me
I cannot see outside but its calling

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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Zylo]
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Consider this.

The human body is a very ingenuis design. It's obvious someone put a lot of thought into designing it. The same with the whole system of life feeding on life and all organisms living together to create a cycle of life. Someone made this shit right, so it would all work out. Nature isn't something just happened by coincedence. Someone created it. That someone would have to be what we call God, our Creator of all that is.

So, if there is no God, where did our existence originate?

I personally know that God exists, because when I pray for certain things, I always recieve what I pray for. I know that's not proof for anyone else, but I dont care. I know what i know.

BTW I want to start my own religion, is this possible? (I know its possible to do, but is it possible to do it where the law respects the beliefs of the religion?)


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Free Yourself From Yourself

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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: GRiMBLe_GRuMBLe]
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OMG.....

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The human body is a very ingenuis design. It's obvious someone put a lot of thought into designing it. The same with the whole system of life feeding on life and all organisms living together to create a cycle of life.
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Well gee, that makes perfect fucking sense now doesn't it?

We couldn't very well be alive if we had no veins, no blood, no heart, no brain...

What? You want a walking pile of goop to show you God doesn't exist?

I tell you what, If I ever saw a pile of goop take the form of a human and walk around and talk to me, then I'd believe in God! That would be some crazy shit!

Oh, and the life cycle. yes that makes sense.... This world can hold the life it can support..... WTF kind of argument are you making? You have no point here...

Science explains all this shit.... It's not evidence...


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Someone made this shit right, so it would all work out. Nature isn't something just happened by coincedence. Someone created it. That someone would have to be what we call God, our Creator of all that is.
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Again, you have obviously NEVER heard of Evolution and NEVER studied Darwin at all in any depth..... That's all I have to say about that. Again, total stupidity coming from the religious side here... We didn't just appear as humans, we evolved from Microscopic life forms over MILLIONS and BILLIONS of years..

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So, if there is no God, where did our existence originate?
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Right back at you... Where did God's Existence originate?

This is just stupid. You ask where we came from? Where the fuck did God come from?

Surely you can see how stupid this is....

Just ask yourself this.. What is more believable?

That GOD a being who commands the powers and laws of the universe created life by shear will alone. He said "Let there be light" and suddenly light appears....
This guy is a fucking magician!

OR, is it more believable that Some single celled life form evolved over MILLIONS and BILLIONS of years into what we are today, we posses no "special powers"

Whatever created GOD, could have created us WAY easier.....

That is one of the stupidest arguments religion has..

"If there is no god, where did we come from"

For fucks sake people........ And if you try telling me "God created himself, or God has just always been there"

Well whoop de shit, I guess you can say just as easily, The universe created itself, or the universe has just always been there"

That is so weak....

"I personally know that God exists, because when I pray for certain things, I always recieve what I pray for. I know that's not proof for anyone else, but I dont care. I know what i know. "

Dude, you do NOT know God exists. Pray for 1 million dollars to arrive under my bed tomorrow for me when I wake up... Then I'll be a believer.....

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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Zylo]
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Have you ever considert the fact that except for the standart religions, everyone has a different picture of god? Not everyone sees god as some stupid old authority guy up there in the sky.
I agree with you on the christian god and stuff.
But, to bad for them christians, we create our own reality, so for some, that god does really excist.


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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Zylo]
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yeah, i had to add the tard to let him know he was stupid
because he says things like this"
"And Science can explain everything. Right now we have the big bang theory."

do you know what this theory is?
where did the extremely dense ball of mass come from?

"Science can explain evolution, provide solid proof of this. You can't deny evolution to be truthful. It is just impossible to argue with fact."

i believe in evolution. that doesnt mean there isnt a god

"Um, sorry sir... You are wrong... Black Holes are EXTREMELY small, and have EXTREMELY high gravitational pull. More so than almost everything else in the universe.. So you are dead wrong sir...."

we dont know much about black holes, and there is a theory that they consist of insanely large amounts of mass

the greater the mass, the more gravity.
everyone knows this, look it up. you were wrong
stop using black holes, something we dont fully understand, to to try and prove your point
"I took astronomy in University, and our proffesor spent a very long time explaining that black holes and their gravity works differently then everything else."
really? what university did you go to?
i would love to laugh at your proffesor for teaching things that havent been proven and that we know virtually nothing about

todays scientists widely accept that gravity is constant throughout the universe
furthermore no one can explain why gravity exists
greater the mass, greater the gravitational pull

if you are going to post scientific facts, they probably should be correct

"Thinking otherwise is stupid. Your obviously a moron believing in something that is not there and is ZERO proof of......."

i really dont think you should be calling anyone stupid, because its not like you are coming off as having any sort of intelligence or rational thought. you are trying to use science to disprove god. i dont care how many facts you post, it doesnt prove anything about the existence of god
im guessing you are no more than 13 years old


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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Lallafa]
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Evolution did a great job on creating the human body. It got more and more equiped for dealing with the world, over a long period of time. Noone designed us, we designed ourselves through evolution and natural selection. We adapted, it's very simple. Hey I stubed my toe!!! FUCK!!!!!!


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addicted to reason
a hollow understanding trapped me
I cannot see outside but its calling

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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Glacius]
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Zulu is on a role here, you have to agree with him. Zulu, are you an athlete, cuz sometimes they are no better than christians when it comes to judjing people. I am an athlete, but not a competitive one, just skiing and shit. I am a pothead!! anyway, more proving our point.... ok.....

The circle of life is quite simple accually. Now, when your a bunch of organisms fighting to servive way back in the day or whatever, you need to find a food source right. Well god didn't do that, they evolved to do that. There body needed to find a way to turn dead organisms or plants into nutreints for them to servive, so they adapted to be able to do that. A tree dies, it docomposes, and turns to soil, which can feed trees with the nutrients to servive. Just like when an animal dies, it can provide a cornivor, with the nutreints it need to servive. Over time we became omnivores. Do you think we were like that before, way back in the day??No. We adapted.

It's like the whole adam and eve thing. I'f god just through a couple people down into his garden(yeah right), and said ok go for it. They would fuck and have kids. Who the hell would there kids fuck?? Each other, so in other words were all a bunch of inbreads?? that doesn't make sense, how would we servive so long, i'f we were all weak, and not naturaly selected or whatever.
It's a very nieve way of explaining the world around you(dhristianity). People are to fucking lazy to go find out for themselves, so they make up a story that can explain it for them, and go on believing that because they are too lazy to figure shit out(or stupid)


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addicted to reason
a hollow understanding trapped me
I cannot see outside but its calling

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Re: DELETED (Maybe Not) [Re: Glacius]
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Lalllafa has a good point too. We don't know very much about black holes. I'f you believe in a god, and evolution, thats acceptible, as long as you arent christian, becuase what they say is totally against evolution, and doesn't make any sense. there very well could be a god, just not the way christians beleive him, or it to be. The only point I am trying to make is that christianity is wrong. look at the spanish inquesition. fucking insane!! Or all the catholic preists molesting there children becuase they arent allowed to have sex, i dont know. There all insane. Praise the lord!! Praise this you pedifiles and murderers!!!!!!!


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addicted to reason
a hollow understanding trapped me
I cannot see outside but its calling

Edited by Glacius (02/14/02 02:05 PM)

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