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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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OfflineDoctorJ
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Re: Deep Entheogenic Adventurer Discovers... [Re: Swami]
    #1842031 - 08/22/03 10:14 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

" think the reason that morals came about and hold true in society is because certain actions can prohibit the advancement of us, and others cannot."

bingo.

Kin Selection Theory supports this. Humans evolved compassion over the years because the most compassionate humans were able to protect their genetics and pass them on. Communities that dont care about their children or eacother are much more likely to perish and extinguish the genetics that made them that way. After a few million generations, the human race ended up with a complex emotional center in their brain. What a bargain!!!! Evolutionary psychology is fun!


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Re: Deep Entheogenic Adventurer Discovers... [Re: Phred]
    #1842451 - 08/23/03 12:34 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

well Pinksharkmark, what you've done is simply redefine objective morality and made it insubstantial. Morality without moral AUTHORITY is weak and powerless at best...non-existent at worst.

Objective morality exists? You say that it does because of the >>nature of humankind<<<. Well hell, are we going to come to a consensus on what the nature of humans is? I doubt it. We could try...

If we can't agree on the nature of man ( has he a soul? a spirit? both? What is the mind? Consciousness? Are we created by design or by randomness?) the how in the world are we going to base some objective morality on that?

Geez, I'm rereading this and it sounds angry...I'm not....I'm enjoying it!

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Re: Deep Entheogenic Adventurer Discovers... [Re: Phred]
    #1842461 - 08/23/03 12:38 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Just for kicks....

Pinksharkmark, how about a short list of say 10 things that are objective morals that all humans, by nature, in every culture, know to be true.

Furthermore, if these morals are objectively inherent in humans because of their nature, why and more importantly HOW do we break these moral and thereby 'sin' or whatever you want to call it?

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Re: Deep Entheogenic Adventurer Discovers... [Re: Swami]
    #1842669 - 08/23/03 02:42 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

You mean he will turn into JFK?



I was thinking of Tim Leary. "Why not?" were Tim's final words.


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Re: Deep Entheogenic Adventurer Discovers... [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1842961 - 08/23/03 11:03 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

"That trip report shows that what you get from a trip comes from whatever potential you have in your mind already."
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Excellent point !


Your mind is like a giant library.. Soooooo many volumes to brouse through !


...But I'm not convinced that "tripping" is the sole way of gaining access...




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Re: Deep Entheogenic Adventurer Discovers... [Re: Phred]
    #1844100 - 08/23/03 09:50 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I really don?t see any justification for a set of objective rules, if such a thing exists, to be unchanging.


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Re: Deep Entheogenic Adventurer Discovers... [Re: raytrace]
    #1844246 - 08/23/03 11:10 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Interesting subject!

The Nature of Man...

What is the nature of man? Or more specifically, what is the nature of physical man or the concious mind).


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