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Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 * 1
    #2079005 - 11/07/03 12:54 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Throughout the course of human existence on the planet Earth, mankind has gazed at the stars with questions of the infinite. What is this endless void of black nothingness, with tiny specks of light scattered seemingly haphazardly, yet consistently, beyond our scope of perception and understanding? Through human evolution, it is in our nature to gain wisdom through learning, and learning is achieved through experience. It is our intrinsic ability to ponder the world around us, and the gift of free will allows us to pursue our thoughts and dreams in any direction imaginable.

First, let us analyze this ?universe? through the eyes of modern science. Without going into too much detail about the physical composition of the universe, we will attempt to observe the greatness of it, as a primer for the necessary perspective in this course. The closest star to our very dear Sun, is at a distance of 4.3 light-years away. (That?s 4.3 x 6 trillion miles). It is one of billions in the Milky Way Galaxy. The Milky Way is a standard spiral galaxy, approximately 2,000 light-years ?thick?, and 100,000 light-years in diameter. It contains approximately 100 billion stars. The next closest galaxy is about 2 million light-years away in the Andromeda constellation. Just based on observations through the Hubble Telescope, we have estimated that there are about 50 billion galaxies in the known universe. That gives us about 5,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars, or five ?sextillion? stars. This is just what we have observed from our limited perspective on Earth. This is only the observable universe.

Of course, a size this massive is virtually impossible for most human minds to fully grasp, but it does give us a general idea of the vastness of the universe in which we live. Now, our solar system resides in a pretty rural part of the Milky Way Galaxy. We are near the outer edge of the spiral, where stars are not as closely together. Were we to be closer to the center, we would be able to physically see thousands more stars in the night sky with the naked eye alone.

Now according to modern science, traveling even outside of our own universe would require traveling above the speed of light, in order to get there in any timely manner, which, apparently, is impossible. Yet according to this same science, bumblebees lack the proper aerodynamics and are not physically capable of flight, so go figure. There are many things we humans do not fully understand, and to think we understand it all without ever experiencing it all, is a big mistake in ignorance and arrogance. ?Theories? are just that.. theories. They do not contain the necessities of truth, and are by no means absolute. With that being said, I am going to enter into a different writing style, in which I will stop presenting known facts, and begin extrapolating based on intuitive wisdom and personal belief. The following are my ?theories?. Take them with a grain of salt.



To begin, let us get an outside perspective on things, and a basic understanding of the dimensions and densities. Everything in the universe is composed of vibrating energy. Atoms, molecules, down to the smallest quark, all vibrate. These ?vibrations? could also be seen as rotations, or cycles. Just as the planets revolve around the sun, and our solar system revolves around other systems, and galaxies revolving around themselves, so do protons and neutrons revolve around the nucleus. (As above, so below ..as within, so without). Everything in existence is vibrating at a certain rate, according to their molecular composition and several other factors.

Now, density could be described as the rate of vibration, or frequency, at which the molecules vibrate. Something vibrating at a very fast rate, would be ?less dense?, then something vibrating at a slower rate. Density denotes a vibrational frequency and not a location. Water is less dense than a rock.

Dimension could be described as the level of consciousness one is experiencing. It refers to one?s location in space/time rather then their physical density. There are an infinite number of dimensions existing with a given density or frequency.

For the purpose of this concept, we will describe only the first four or five densities, since they are all that apply at the current moment, although there are believed to be 7, 9, or 11, depending on your perspective. I make the distinction between densities and dimensions for a reason, and yet they are symbiotic to each other, as you may come to understand. It may get a bit confusing, but I will attempt to explain as simply as possible. I will be using excerpts from Lyssa Royal?s Density/Dimension Scale, as it is in alignment with my thought pattern, which can be found at - http://www.worldtrans.org/lyssa/density.html

1st density ? A level at which there is existence, but no sense of self. A rock exists and has consciousness, but does not have awareness of self. 1st density is the realm of elementals, and minerals. Royal describes it as such: Awareness as a point, physical matter. This is the most basic frequency level, it provides the matter and energy for the creation of atoms and molecules. The basic life forms of mineral and water, for example, are all operating from 1st density. Humans possess this frequency within themselves as well. It makes up the basic genetic codes.

2nd density ? The level of existence with awareness, but no ego. This is the realm of plant and animal life. Royal states: Awareness as a line, biological matter, development of species identity. The consciousness expressed by 2nd density vibration does not possess self-awareness (or ego). Most species within the plant and animal kingdoms exist here, however their placement in density depends upon many additional factors, including the presence of absence of ego.

3rd density ? The lowest level at which human consciousness can operate. This is a realm of polarities, a place of individuality, ego, and perceived separation. Royal claims: Volumetric awareness, ego, loss of group identity, development of individual identity, ability to remember past and cognize the future while retaining present awareness. This is the density where human beings emerge. It is a vibration that creates the illusion of separation and thus a challenge toward awakening. Presently humanity is going thru a transition period into 4th dnesity reality which can account for the many rapid changes the human race is undergoing. This is the frequency that expresses the most separation from the Whole. It is from here that many lessons about integration are learned. This is the most intense of all levels in its cultivation of growth with the Self. Cetaceans (dolphins and whales) presently exist simultaneously in 3rd and 4th densities and are transiting out of 3rd along with humanity.

4th density ? A level where the illusions of separation are dissolved. All entities are individual expressions of spirit, yet they intuitively recognize the connection between all things. ?Good? and ?bad cease to exist, as the picture is looked at as a whole, instead of a small detail. This realm is more on the spiritual/energy side then physical matter. Although it is still matter, spiritual energy is more pronounced, and physicality is less dense. Royal states: Containment of volumetric awareness, superconsciousness, reintegration of group identity without loss of ego identity; as vibration increases, perception of past, present, and future become more fluid along with the ability to interface with multidimensional and multidensity realities, negatively oriented consciousness becomes more difficult to maintain. Presently on Earth, 4th density reality is overlapping third. In humanity's case, this can account for the increased desire for unity, peace and unconditional love as opposed to the illusion of separation that characterizes third density. The vibrationary rate of one's reality is stepped up, and therefore one may be faced with personal issues in a much more rapid and intense way.

5th density ? Pure spiritual energy. 4th density and below are physical, this realm is pure energy. Consciousness exists as a spiritual vibration devoid of any physical trait. Memory is retained, in pure spirit form. Royal states: Experiental awareness of "I" as a group identity, not bound by linear time. In this density sentient consciousness begins to awaken to its heritage. this is the density of wisdom. As one awakens the wisdom within, they very often want to share it with those who are still focused in the lower densities. many from this realm choose to become guides for others. A 5th density being merges with its family of consciousness ("oversoul" or "higher self" if you will) and begins to remember. This is the first density in which a non-physical orientation is experienced. Note: there is no clear-cut distinction when transiting from 5th to 7th densities. Because these densities are not physically oriented, there is much blending in these transitions.

For a different view on the densities, see here - http://ascension2000.com/Ra-section3.htm

Now this gives us a basic understanding of the function of the first five densities. It is important to understand that a lower density does not mean lesser than. All densities are equally vital and contribute to the whole. For an analogy, you cannot build a solid house without a foundation, and without a roof the rest of it would degrade from exposure to the elements. The first dimension exists as a sort of grounding post for every density. Each density and dimension are of equal importance to the grand scheme of things. Synergy would be the correct term to use.

Where dimensions tie into all of this is sub-levels within each density. For example, for the purpose of visualization, say there are 7 densities. Each density would have 7 levels of dimensions contained within it. A dimension is merely a place of understanding, or a level of consciousness. One can have 4th dimensional understanding while remaining physically in the 3rd density. Dimension simply denotes a level of consciousness within a given density. This may sound confusing but it is really quite simple. Although I will not attempt to explain more, so as to avoid any further obfuscation.

So now we have explored the idea of dimensions and densities, or frequency of vibration, and we will now enter a parallel realm. To conclude this section, I will further emphasize that all matter is vibrating energy. Now let us take the plunge.



Intelligent, sentient life is quite common throughout the universe. In fact, the universe is teeming with life in all different forms. If one were to travel in a straight line forever, you would never stop coming across planets with life. Carbon-based life is the one we are most familiar with, since that is all we have to go by on our planet, but life comes in many shapes and sizes, and plasma-based, and silica-based life forms are not unheard of.

Now within our galaxy (this one, small galaxy), there are approximately 200,000 ?awakened? civilizations, or star nations. When I say awakened, I mean beings that have long surpassed their ?technology age?, awakened to their cosmic heritage, and developed their own means of long distance space travel. That is, the ones that survived long enough through the technology age to not destroy themselves, and start over.

Evolution follows a distinct pattern, which through millions of years of observation and recording, they have determined this. The details of this evolution, is different for every life form, but they are all pretty much the same pattern. It would take several thousand words to explain just the steps of Human Evolution, so I will sidestep that for now. But to put it into a nutshell, spirit first enters the physical world with no knowledge of how to survive in the physical realm. Through many lifetimes of reincarnation, the spirit gains experience and is eventually able to survive well. The purpose of physical life is to gain wisdom through experience, so the evolution is a process of discovery and learning and is fairly predictable. There is a period where we worship the sun and stars as gods, as we fail to fully understand them. As we evolve further we discover science and logic and begin exploring that. Further we reach a point of spiritual understanding, and living in harmony with the world around us. It goes on and on, and I have omitted many key details, but a basic understanding of this evolutionary process is all that is needed.

The star nations, or ?awakened? civilizations that I mentioned previously, formed an alliance, which they call the Galactic Federation of Light. It was founded over 4 million years ago to prevent inter-dimensional dark/malevolent forces from dominating and exploiting this galaxy. They are neutralizers of free will violators. All developed civilizations are invited to join the Galactic Federation, when they reach a certain point in their evolution and development where they are at risk for malevolent forces. Civilizations are considered ?undeveloped?, until they either reach the 4th density by themselves, or travel outside of their own solar system on their own power.

The Federation is a force of peace in this galaxy. They are protectors of free will, which they believe is a universal right. As such, their number one rule is the rule of non-interference with undeveloped civilizations. This rule basically states that developed, or awakened entities, will not physically interfere with the natural development/evolution of undeveloped/unawakened civilizations, until they have reached a certain point where contact with higher evolved forms of life is inevitable, and then they begin the gradual and delicate process of initiating contact. This rule exists for good reason, because past interactions where higher evolved life forms have made sudden contact with what we would consider ?barbarians? resulted in chaos and confusion many times. The beings were either feared, (which opens a whole different can of worms), or worshipped as gods. These beings do not want to be worshipped as gods, they only want to make equal contact and help us evolve because we are all gods. By helping us evolve, they evolve. It is a win/win scenario in that case. So they have developed a method of initiating contact when the time is right, which begins very subtly by introducing their presence to our reality in various manners. Since they are not allowed to interfere with our ?beta? reality directly, (and since they don?t have a ?beta? reality), they begin introductions and communication most commonly through our altered states, such as the trance of meditation (?alpha? waves), or the ?delta? and ?theta? waves of sleep and dreaming. These are realities/brainwaves they share with us, so the most accessible for interactions with us. Since we don?t consider dreams to be valid aspects of reality, it works out perfectly, since they can communicate directly with our subconscious, without interfering with our waking reality/ego.

Now let us examine these beings a little closer to understand why they operate the way that they do. Firstly, Humanoid is the most common form of intelligent life in this galaxy, composing about 40% of the Federation. There are many other forms of life, ranging from insect form (preying mantis is a common one), cat-like entities, horse-like entities, and many, many other forms which would appear quite alien to our eyes. These species just happen to evolve to become the intelligent, dominant species on their home planet. Suffice to say I only mentioned the carbon-based forms, as any attempt to explain a silica-based entity would be insufficient through words.

Now, most intelligent, sovereign beings who you will find in the Federation, are 4th density and above. This means they are ?spiritually awakened?, and operating fully in the 4th density. This also means that they are much ?less dense? than our 3rd density experience and perception.. therefore, they are vibrating, physically, at a much higher frequency.. high enough that it is invisible to our physical, 3rd density senses. A 3rd density being cannot perceive a 4th density beings with his/her eyes. Now the third eye, that?s another story.

I mentioned that these beings do not have a waking, ?beta? reality like we do. First let me briefly explain the brain states. Humans in 3rd density primarily have 4 brain states. Alpha, which is a trance-like state, when you are doing something that requires little thought projected into the external world, such as driving, or meditating. Beta is the reality when you are doing something physical, like having a conversation with someone, or shaking their hand. Theta is the shortest, and most interesting state, as that is the brain state in between awake and asleep, this is when hypnagogic and hypnogogic imagery occurs. Delta is the brainwave of deep sleep and dreaming. Evolved beings who reside in 4th density do not have a beta reality, therefore they can only interact with us through either alpha, theta, or delta states. This is also interesting, because modern society only considers ?beta? reality, as valid reality. All other images or experiences in other states are ?just manifestations of the mind?

Now we must examine the human mind in 3rd density, and the fragmentation that occurs. It is the nature of 3rd density to fragment, to separate. As such, our mind does not function as one integrated unit, but is broken into three separate sections. These are: Conscious, Subconscious, and Unconscious. Conscious mind is our projection onto physical reality.. it is the ego, the protector of self awareness. Conscious mind is mostly concerned with what is going on right in front of it, what it can perceive and understand. Then there is Subconscious mind..this is where we store most of our experiences, memories, etc. When conscious mind has to make a decision, it sends the data, or stimuli, to the subconscious, which then analyzes it based on past experience, and sends it back to the conscious with how to react. This happens in a split second. If conscious mind experiences something that it considers harmful to its reality, or too ?shocking? to deal with, it will send it deep into the subconscious, where the subconscious will comply and bury it deeply in the memory banks. This is partly how ?repressed memories of traumatic events? occurs. The subconscious absorbs it, and the conscious mind has no recollection of it, as it chose to avoid it altogether to protect its concept of self. Then we reach the deep darkness of the mind.. the unconscious. This is the level of spirit. This is where all of our past life memories are stored, this is where the ?I AM? resides, this is the place where there is no illusion of physical reality, and is the foundation of our being. Unfortunately, due to the fragmentation effect, and largely in part to the way our society teaches us to think, the unconscious is often repressed and ignored by the subconscious and conscious mind. There are many, many, factors which effect the veil between the layers of the mind, and they can be thickened or thinned.

Now when you begin to understand that these evolved beings are operating in 4th density, with a rule of non-interference, no beta reality, and no ego, not to mention our concept of being alone in the universe, it becomes increasingly difficult to shatter those barriers. However, they understand the process of awakening, which we are undergoing, and that the contact process is an essential part. When we realize we are not alone in the universe, and that there are other forces that have been around and aware for millions of years, we begin gaining a whole new perspective on life and ourselves in general. They teach us, and we teach them.

Then you might wonder how these beings communicate, since there are so many different races..surely they don?t all have the same language? Well, most star nations do have their own language that they developed through the course of their natural evolution. But in order to communicate with beings of every different type, there needs to be a universal language. That universal language is telepathy.

Telepathy is direct mind-to-mind communication. It is not limited to definitions of words. It encompasses all of thought. Through telepathy, one can not only express their thoughts, but they can accompany those thoughts with images, memories, feelings.. anything you can think in your heart and mind, you can rely via telepathy. There is no misunderstanding, as everything comes through crystal clear. As such, there is no miscommunication between the races, and it works out for everyone. Telepathy is also not limited to any distance. There is one catch, however, and that is that telepathy is done only by the subconscious/unconscious mind. This can present a problem for the human with a fragmented mind.. as they can have telepathic interactions, but no conscious memory of it. This occurs often, because most humans in 3rd density have a thick barrier between conscious and subconscious, largely due to avoiding/supressing fears.

So as our civilization speeds through the information/space age, we begin to enter into a new paradigm, a new level of evolution. The new coming age is the age of spirit, and interspecies communication. In order to meet these evolved beings, we must meet in the middle. They are not going to land in our front yard and come out and shake our hand, not yet anyway. They have taken the first step towards contact, and it is our responsibility to take the next, and meet them in the middle. They cannot fully enter into our reality until we take steps to enter into theirs. Until that happens, we will continue to just have faint memories of them in our dreams and altered states. The ET consciousness is imprinted onto our DNA..weaved into the very threads of our consciousness. They are not aliens, they are fellow spirits, who just happened to incarnate on another planet or plane of existence. They want to meet us because we are their celestial brothers and sisters, and contact means new levels of understanding, joy, experience, liberation, and reunion.

These beings are not mysteriously avoiding us. We are avoiding them. The time has come to awaken to our spirits, and embrace ourselves, and our celestial heritage. The universe was created as a place of perpetual experience and evolution, and this is our next step in evolution ? interspecies contact and communion. The crop circles (the real ones), are images that speak to our subconscious. They have varying meanings, but all relate to sacred geometry, which is a universal language. We may not consciously understand them, but their designs touch us on the spirit level and is akin to a cosmic wake up call. Remember.

We are not waiting for aliens to contact us and land on our planet. They have been here all along, we have just been ignoring them. Sending out radio signals to search for them is not going to do anything.. that is like sending smoke signals to NASA asking for help. A red herring if you will. Contact is not some external process of finding physical beings who will fit our preconceived notions of what intelligent life is supposed to be. Contact is an internal process of discovery, healing and liberation. People of Earth, it is time to awaken and heal your spirit, spread love to your fellow man, and embrace all of humanity. Because without world peace, there will not be peace with other races. Contact is more about remembering, then it is anything else.



For a thorough explanation of the contact process, specifically.. preparing yourself for contact. I would highly advise all who read this far to read this page - http://www.worldtrans.org/lyssa/pfctokyo.html

If you would like a brief synopsis of the Galactic Federation of Light, some of the members, and their teachings, please visit ? http://www.paoweb.com

I wish you all peace, happiness, and understanding on your individual paths of evolution, discovery, and exploration. Inner spirit, not external technology. By examining yourself and going within, you will make more progress in contacting higher forms of intelligent life than any other method. These beings are just our waking call for the next generation, it symbolizes our entrance into galactic society, and the liberation of our world. We already live in the Garden of Eden, it is just up to us to make our reality that way.

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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #2079018 - 11/07/03 12:57 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I was waiting for you to post this :smile:

Im reading it now, I'll post my two sense in this same post when I'm done.

Thanks Shroomism, keep up the excellent work.


EDIT:

Just finished reading, very nice read. Much of it I highly agree with. Ive had plenty fo contact experiencs, all either in meditation or sleep, the ONLY time I've ever "percieved" beings in my waking state is with what I believe to be my third eye. I can't explain it any other way.


Humanity is definately not yet ready to enter into this new reality, not yet. Not as a whole.

We are getting there though, slowly but surely. There are what I believe forces - if you will - that attempt to slow this progress down.

Our worst enemy is fear, and our best friend is creativity.


The only thing I didn't agree with was that the conscious mind is ego. The conscious mind produces ego, but it IS not ego.

Besides that, great piece of literature, you should write a book - seriously.


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: tekramrepus]
    #2079177 - 11/07/03 01:56 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Shroomism said:
Remember





That was the most important word in the post, IMHO


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: tekramrepus]
    #2079317 - 11/07/03 02:32 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

im a alien bounty hunter..


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    #2079438 - 11/07/03 03:04 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: OkEyToKeY]
    #2079534 - 11/07/03 03:41 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Did I not speak english?

Did you read this link?

You will know when you've made it, because you will have undergone a metamorphosis in consciousness, not unlike the analogy of a caterpiller to butterfly. I thought that I put some tips in there for how to awaken to this higher consciousness - via internal recognition of spirit. Meditation can't hurt either. There will be something to prove it, because your entire perspective on life will have probably changed. Open eyes and an open heart is all you need. This is more than contact with evolved beings, this is the process of transformation that goes with it. One does not come before the other. The proof in this instance lies in the eye of the beholder, for if I were to have a life changing experience out in the woods, what proof would I have to show you other than my changed disposition? If you are seeking physical proof, it will come when it doesn't matter anymore. Anything before then can be easily debunked, has and will. I'm not in the business of changing minds or providing proof, only opening doors and helping my fellow humans however I can.
The proof is, your whole concept of reality will have changed drastically. It will feel good, and so, so right.


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    #2079575 - 11/07/03 04:02 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Indeed...which is why I threw in that little bit about how misinterpretation can occur quite easily through our choice of words. Everyone has a different meaning in their head of different words.. so I try and maintain a large vocabulary :laugh:
My goal here is simply to help people. I get pleasure from it for some reason. It's not all about aliens, that's just my media for putting it forward. However, I will eventually go much deeper into the whole topic.. so don't say I didn't warn you :wink:
But basically, my whole intention is to open up some modes of thought, perhaps even provoke some healthy controversy and different ways of thinking. I AM an aquarius, after all.  :grin:

Supermarket - I agree that the conscious mind creates ego and is not necessarily ego itself. That's just the best way I could envision it in my head with the whole fragmentation deal. I tried writing a book, but I got demotivated.. I get more joy writings posts  :grin:
Instant gratification I guess? Anyway, if I did write a book, I would want to dispense it for free on the internet. I would just feel wrong selling thoughts.

Anyway...off to the astral plane. I'll be back tommorow night with part 2 of this reincarnation.  :shocked: 


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: OkEyToKeY]
    #2079880 - 11/07/03 06:08 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

More proof that Shroomism is the God of Spirituality and Philsophy. :grin:

And I wouldn't be looking for proof in something that we have absolutely no experience in. We're not going to find anything by taking a ruler into space and measuring shit. For the most part, we have no conscious connection to our soul. We ignore it, we shut it out. Most haven't even discovered it within themselves.

So the only proof is going to come within yourself. There isn't going to be some politician or scientist who is going to come down from a mountain with proof. It only comes from within until we are actually tuned in.
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    #2082349 - 11/07/03 11:15 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Alright. For the time being, I am just going to post this excerpt from one of the links I posted, which deals with preparing for contact. As it explains it much more intimately than I could hope to achieve..from - http://www.worldtrans.org/lyssa/pfctokyo.html


Alright, this is Germane. Greetings to you. Well it is a pleasure to be with all of you this night. We have lots of exciting information to share with you. The whole idea of extraterrestrial contact has been getting a lot of interest lately. Humans are beginning to sense that the time is near. And in fact we would agree with that idea. However, contact itself, the way it occurs, may be very different from how it is imagined. So tonight we are going to give you an overview about contact, how it can be brought about and how you can understand it.

Now we have outlined seven steps which are part of opening to contact. And these, even though they are numbered from one to seven, don't necessarily have to be in this order. Each of these seven steps are essential parts of the entire process.

For thousands of years upon Earth humans have been in contact with extraterrestrials. However, for the most part the extraterrestrials were worshipped by the humans. It was never an equal exchange. This has created all sorts of conflicts throughout history and it has created various types of religious worship. And basically because the early humans felt that these extraterrestrials were more powerful than them, they gave their power over to them.

You as a mass consciousness have now decided not to repeat this pattern. And so you are going to do it a little differently this time; you are going to create contact from a point of centeredness and balance. And so the seven steps that we are going to describe will illustrate for you the essential part of your own evolutionary process as you open for contact.

The first one is very obvious - acknowledge inevitability. What this means for you as individuals is as follows: That you go within and you begin to search your feelings about ET contact. Begin to sense it's inevitability. And feel comfortable with that inevitability. Begin to perceive it as a solid reality rather than simply just a hope. Because when you hope you keep something outside of yourself and you never bring it to you. So hoping for contact is not the same thing as acknowledging its inevitability. As you create its reality within you, you will then manifest that reality outside of you.

The second component is personal truth versus disinformation. What this means is that you begin to explore all the extraterrestrial information that is available to you. And you begin to be discerning. It's alright to throw this stuff out if it doesn't feel right. Begin to build within yourself a personal truth about your beliefs in extraterrestrial contact. Don't be so concerned about what's right and what's wrong but rather simply what feels right inside. As you do this the natural thing that will happen is that it will help you reaffirm the belief in the reality of ET contact. It's very important for you to acknowledge your personal truth about this extraterrestrial contact. All information that is presented to you in books and on television is not all true. And ultimately the only truth that is meaningful is the one that is meaningful for you.

The third component is to embrace humanity. This is a very significant component because many people have these visions of the ET's landing and coming out of their ships and you all run to each other and embrace. That's an idealistic vision. How can you expect that to really happen when you can't even embrace each other? So as long as you continue to create separation between you and others of your species then bringing about contact is going to be very, very difficult. Now this doesn't mean that you have to run out and hug and love people that you normally wouldn't. What we mean by that is simply to begin to recognize that every aspect of your world is playing a very vital part in the entire planet's evolution. So even that drunk, homeless person on the street who is very unhappy is providing an important function for the entire evolution of the planet. Even the rapists and the murderers, as much as you would like to not acknowledge their presence, they too are providing a learning tool for your evolution. So that's what we mean by embracing humanity. Simply learn to stop judging each other. And allow what is there to be there. It is only then that you really allow an alien presence in your reality.

The next component - number four, is interspecies communication. You have, for instance, a alien species on Earth right now. The dolphins and the whales - cetaceans - have the same type of consciousness as humans but very, very different realities. And therefore communication between your species can be very, very challenging. You can't use language. So if you can exercise your other skills as far as communication goes you are going to exercise all the skills that you'll need to eventually open contact with a extraterrestrial being. It's been very easy to fantasize that contact will be like Star Wars and Star Trek. And all the humanoids basically look like you. We all speak the same language. But your realities are very, very different. Right now, if you imagine how different your reality is with a whale's reality you can see there is a very big gap. There is just as much of a gap inbetween a human and a Pleiadian. So if you can then begin to open communication with other species on your planet you are going to develop a lot of the skills necessary for opening contact with extraterrestrials.

Another important component is number five - confronting fears. People always see the world through their own fears. So if you are a very fearful person and always believe that someone is out to get you then you will manifest that belief in every aspect of your life. So then in opening contact with an alien race you will carry those fears into that contact and actually believe perhaps that they are out to get you. So humans will really only be able to have centered and integrated contact when they process their own inner fears. And these are fears that maybe even you are not aware of with your conscious mind. So we are talking about the very, very deep ones. Literally, when you begin confronting these fears and releasing them the energy on the planet becomes lighter. And you became a much easier species for the extraterrestrials to communicate with.

Number six - integrate self and decompartmentalize. What we mean by this is as follows: The human consciousness has many levels to it and between each level is a barrier. And you keep a lot your different experiences compartmentalized into these different levels. We will give you a dramatic example of this. Let's say you are jumped on the street and your money is stolen and you are beaten and it was very traumatic. The experience may be so traumatic that you may begin to repress the memory of it. And for some people they may repress the entire memory of it and have no recollection consciously. What this means is that fear, that experience that caused all that fear, becomes suppressed and lodged in one of those levels that is surrounded by a barrier so your conscious mind cannot get to it. But in your day to day life you may start acting very afraid and not know why because you can't remember the memory. And those unconscious fears then begin to affect your daily life. So, of course, when dealing with extraterrestrial contact if you have unconscious fears those fears will affect the nature of the contact.

Humans seem very fragmented from the point of view of an extraterrestrial. They have difficulty communicating with you because of these many fragments. So when you begin to integrate them, these levels, the boundaries between these levels begin to disintegrate. You become a whole person rather than a series of fragments. The extraterrestrials then have an easier time communicating with you. And that integrated place is a very powerful place to be.

And the seventh component is to reclaim your power. Now we mean this on several levels. One level could be that so many people have been claiming that there have been world government cover ups about extraterrestrial information. This information has not been released because as a people your civilization has not taken its power in order to bring about the truth being revealed. If you all came together, joined your forces and put your energy into the world you would have the truth within a few days. That's one way we mean reclaiming your power.

Another way is on the personal level. And this relates to step five and six. Reclaiming your power simply means to do whatever necessary within yourself to make yourself clear and integrated. And that may mean confronting your fears. Humankind is poised right now on a threshold. You are like butterflies just getting ready to break from the cocoon. This is a difficult place to be. But it is also a tremendously powerful place to be. If you all do want to bring about contact with extraterrestrials think about the steps which we have just presented. And think about what you are willing to do in order to bring about contact. We guarantee you that as you transform yourselves you will bring about this desired contact.




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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #2082374 - 11/07/03 11:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

alright, everyone can believe what they want, but how do we know for sure this is EXACTLY what's going to happen? what if all life on earth is wiped out before we "transcend?"


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: IamHungry]
    #2082383 - 11/07/03 11:25 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

All of life is a slim possibility. 90%, sure. But it would take a lot to wipe every human off the face of the Earth. If that did happen we would just reincarnate on another plane and continue from where we left off :laugh:


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #2103997 - 11/14/03 12:41 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I ran into confusion on the part where you're talking about planes and dimensions, can you elaborate on this part of the dynamic?

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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: jiva]
    #2104010 - 11/14/03 12:45 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

"I, I don't have a whole lot of time. Um, OK, I'm a former employee of Area 51. I, I was let go on a medical discharge about a week ago and, and... [chokes] I've kind of been running across the country. Damn, I don't know where to start, they're, they're gonna, um, they'll triangulate on this position really soon.

OK, um, um, OK, what we're thinking of as, as aliens, they're extradimensional beings, that, an earlier precursor of the, um, space program they made contact with. They are not what they claim to be. Uh, they've infiltrated a, a lot of aspects of, of, of the military establishment, particularly the Area 51.

The disasters that are coming, they, the military, I'm sorry, the government knows about them. And there's a lot of safe areas in this world that they could begin moving the population to now. They are not! They want those major population centers wiped out so that the few that are left will be more easily controllable."


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: jiva]
    #2104056 - 11/14/03 12:57 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

They say a picture speaks a thousand words



I am not sure what you would like me to elaborate on specifically, but I will point you towards a possibly helpful link

Try these
http://home.xtra.co.nz/hosts/Wingmakers/Estoric%20System%20Of%20Dimensions.html

Again this is the best link I have run across explaining the dimensions
http://www.worldtrans.org/lyssa/density.html


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #2104128 - 11/14/03 01:18 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

wow.....circles, a bunch of circles. So does this mean that life is deep or something?


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2104205 - 11/14/03 01:43 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

^^^^^^^^^ :lol: :lol: :lol:

do some homework dude.


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    #2105081 - 11/14/03 06:59 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Man I remember your first post called that!
I am glad you are still here



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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: shaggy101]
    #2105150 - 11/14/03 08:03 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

That picture is God.... :grin:
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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2107762 - 11/14/03 11:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

For my next series I will be taking a look at different races one at a time.

The Pleiadians

Pleiadians are humans who reside in the 4th and 5th densities. They operate on the frequency of light and love, and are known to be Dimensional Travellers, and guardians/greeters of the gates when a species is entering or leaving new dimensional planes.

They reside on the planet which they call 'Erra', which is one of ten planets circling their sun of Taygeta. It is a little smaller than that of Earth, and has a similar atmosphere. The population of Erra is about 400,000, which they feel is ideal for the welfare of the planet. They are telepathic, and travel on their planet by means of a global tube system. They are primarily vegetarians, but eat the meat of a rabbit-type animal from time to time for grounding purposes. They have no currency to speak of, and all resources are shared equally amongst citizens depending on their contributions to society. Major issues are dealt with through a global computer system, in which each citizen has a sort of 'pocket computer' where they can vote on issues. They are a 'goddess' society, which worships family, woman, and children. They operate on the frequency of love and creativity. Children are raised by the community, and for the first ten years of their life are taught to understand the purpose of their life, and the rest is spent being educated in various occupations. The average lifespan for a Pleiadian is 700 years, and they have no diseases, as they control their health through psychic abilities.

Interstellar travel is done primarily through 'beamships'. They come in a variety of sizes depending on the purpose, but the most commong is a small craft approximately 21 feet in diameter, carries several people and has interplanetary, interdimensional capabilities. The beamships travel at two general speeds.. under the speed of light and above. Travel above the speed of light is achieved through entering hyperspace. They explain that this is a delicate and very scientific process which requires using the mass pushing against the ship to convert all coarse-matter into fine-matter. The faster you move in space, the more mass is pushing against your craft. They use 'force fields' of sorts, to prevent this mass from crushing them. However, when converting to hyperspace, they turn the shields off at the critical moment, and using a series of uncomprehensible (to me) techniques, convert the craft and occupants into fine-matter. Once in hyperspace (fine-matter) they can travel many light years in a fraction of a second. Travel from the Pleiades to Earth takes about 7 hours in a beamship. This is because they must be a certain distance away from a star to enter hyperspace, it takes them 3 1/2 hours of travel, they enter hyperspace, and another 3 1/2 hours of travel. The propulsion system is unlike any model we have on Earth, and is not really propulsion at all. The 'engine' creates a magnetic field around the ship, in that it acts like a planet, creating its own gravity. This magnetic field can then be manipulated, to "push" or "pull" the ship from targetted gravity sources.

Pleiadians are descendents of the Lyrans. To summarize their history, the Lyrans are a light-skinned human race, who for many cycles on their home planet had devastating wars. Some of the more peaceful Lyrans left the planet and took refuge on Earth and in the Pleiades. The Lyrans that landed on Erra created a civilization that developed quickly, and although bringing some traits of their war-like tendencies with them, they soon evolved past them and achieved worldwide peace. This was approximately 228,000 BC.

Pleiadians don't look much different then your average human, aside from having whiter skin due to an absence of blood (their memory is stored in a light matrix) Blood is the memory matrix of 3d reality. Although, since they are vibrating at a much faster level in 5th density, they appear invisible to our low density eyes. They are a bit taller than your average earth human, fair complexion, hair is blonde, eyes are blue, green, or brown.

Pleiadian genetics share a common trait with humans from Earth. Along with the Lyrans, and several other races, we share a common ancestry. The Pleiadians resided on Earth from 196,000 BC - 10AD. They entered into the Earth's reincarnation cycle to assist our evolution. Some of the societies they were trying to assist were Lemuria, Inca, Machu Picchu, Maya, and others. They were trying to guide us to a more spiritual path. In 10AD the last pleiadian named Pleja decided to leave and allow humans to evolve naturally, but before leaving left a leader named Jmmanuel, a very evolved Pleiadian soul, who was descendent from Mary, a Lyran, and Gabriel, a Pleiadian. He was later known as Jesus. Earth evolved on it's own until our current time, where they have since returned to welcome us into the new dimension.

This is the condensed version of their story. If you would like the full version, I would be happy to summon it up for you at a later time.

If you are interested in exploring your possible Pleiadian roots.. visit the following link - http://www.pleiadianstar.com


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #2107877 - 11/14/03 11:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Six months ago i would have laughed at all of this...Now i reframe...barely. I'm making progress. Damn posting this was a step backwards. Anyways back to the path...
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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: ZenGecko]
    #2107971 - 11/15/03 12:29 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

They are telepathic, and travel on their planet by means of a global tube system.

Tenacious D must rule supreme on their planet!

Excellent read Shroomism, I would love to hear more of it!


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: ZenGecko]
    #2108010 - 11/15/03 12:45 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

ZenGecko said:
Six months ago i would have laughed at all of this...Now i reframe...barely. I'm making progress. Damn posting this was a step backwards. Anyways back to the path...
Sincerely,
That which is, and has no choice but to be




no step is EVER a step "backwards"...merely a step in a new direction...


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: FatNug]
    #2108133 - 11/15/03 01:45 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Indeed
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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: ZenGecko]
    #2108170 - 11/15/03 02:10 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

please explain this whole "non-interference." My problem with it is that I don't think the galactic empire should interfere with another race's mass murder and interference schemes against underdeveloped races because that impedes their development and you shouldn't interfere with that.


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2108303 - 11/15/03 03:40 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

If those evil forces came and wiped us out, then we wouldn't be doing any Developing at all. So they're protecting our ability to evolve on our own without having to worry about some giant fleet of cheese ships coming to clear the Earth away for a cosmic highway.


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: chunder]
    #2108354 - 11/15/03 04:07 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

there is a continuous chain. there have to be beings in the front pushing the evolution envelope that don't need to communicate with us, so the dudes a little further down the chair (inbetween us and them) give us a hand when we're ready. And we'll help out something make it to our density when they're ready (robots/AI?).


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #2109328 - 11/15/03 04:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I don't know how to explain it, but I've always had this underlying feeling that the human race, ('life' as we know it) exists solely to play out every possible action, to experience every situation concievable. I never understood why this is, but it fits with the pattern, and purpose of evolution you stated.

On a personal note, I feel a battle within myself taking place. I know in my heart I want to spread love and good energy to my fellow man. I often long for a time when people smile and greet eachother while passing in the streets, offer help to those who are less fortunate and forget about the petty material things. However, there is a fear within me, a fear of letting go, a fear of showing this side of myself to those I meet during my day. Each day I feel as though I get a step closer to letting go, but I haven't reached that point yet. Perhaps its just normal self-doubting behavior people my age experience as a part of growing up, or perhaps its more. Either way, I don't plan on stopping until I have no fear about sharing the love I have.

Seriously though, thanks for the post. I don't really know if its just an 'insane ramble' or something more, but it made me feel better and that's all that counts.


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #2109742 - 11/15/03 08:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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...Yet according to this same science, bumblebees lack the proper aerodynamics and are not physically capable of flight, so go figure.





Actually, that issue has been resolved. "The apocryphal story about bees not being able to fly arose because the roughness and flexibility of their wings was neglected in a quick calculation." Read more here.

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There are many things we humans do not fully understand, and to think we understand it all without ever experiencing it all, is a big mistake in ignorance and arrogance.




I agree! Claiming to have all the answers is truly arrogant! :laugh:


I think you would fit in well with these guys!
Their leader is a self proclaimed genius, and they have all the answers too! :grin:

         


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Le_Canard]
    #2109772 - 11/15/03 08:25 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Claiming to have all the answers is truly arrogant!

Yeah, but not claiming to have all the answers when you do is false humility!


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    #2109783 - 11/15/03 08:28 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Yeah, but not claiming to have all the answers when you do is false humility! 





Something you could never be accused of!   

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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: sirreal]
    #2111698 - 11/16/03 04:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

If i say i have all the answers and believe it, then i do. If i say I have all the answers and i know that i don't, then i'm a liar who is going against my integrity. If i say i can't have all the answers and believe it, then i am honestly humbling myself and my limited human nervous system. If i say i can't have all the answers when i really think i can, then once again i'm a liar who is going against my integrity.


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #2111724 - 11/16/03 04:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yo shroomism, that stuff is really entertaining and interesting, keep it coming.

I have a few questions.

You said that the aliens are from other densities, so does that mean the greys are 3rd density like us? Are they from our dimension? What are your opinions of them? So many web sites/people say they are evil and out to hrut us. What about the draconian conspiracy theories, do you think is there a race of reptiles in disguise on the earth trying to take us over?

I was also reading that site 2012: Dire Gnosis, and they were talking about government experiements with time travel and the montaulk projects and remote viewing and how they can't get past that date. What do you think about all of that?


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: TrueBrode]
    #2111737 - 11/16/03 04:13 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

David Icke says the shapeshifting reptilians that control our planet by mind control, possession, and fear in order to live off of the negative energy we project, are from between the 3rd and 4th (he says dimension but he describes it like density). Is that feasable in this model?


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: TrueBrode]
    #2112331 - 11/16/03 07:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Zetas

The Zeta History holds many parallels between their civilization in the past and ours in the present. The roots of the humanoid race in this galaxy began in the Lyran system, including the beings from Zeta Reticuli. In the Lyran system, some 22 million years ago, human civilization was flourishing and new cultures were exploding everywhere. There was one planet in the Lyra system which is called Apex, and it considered the ancient origin of the Zeta Reticuli race. The beings on Apex were of the same genetic mixture as us, and Apex soon became a melting pot for all the genetics of the Lyran races, even more pronounced than current day Earth.

Their culture flourished for thousands of years. However beneath the surface of the mass consciousness, disharmony was increasing at an alarming rate, because the spiritual growth of the planet did not increase with the technological growth of the humans. In other words, their technology overpowered their spiritual wisdom, or common sense  :smirk: On the surface of the planet there were cataclysms, first pollution, then severe toxicity and radiation from atomic blasts even more powerful than the ones we possess. The atmosphere deteriorated, and plant life was soon unable to produce enough oxygen to continue the cycle that balances the ecosystem.

However while this was occurring, there were those within the system that were preparing for such an event for they had forseen it. They built underground shelters deep within the planet, and prepared for total destruction. They began learning to use alternative energy sources independent on sunlight or oxygen, and thus created a world with no dependency on the surface ecosystem.

Preparations lasted many generations. They began to notice that their evolution was happening at a rapid rate, and cranial size was quickly increasing. Natural birth became difficult, because the cranium was so large there would often be death of both mother and child during childbirth. Caesarian delivery was not a part of their belief system, so they were facing a species crisis.

So the planet was going to shit, and the population was thinning out. They soon turned to cloning techniques in lieu of the birth process. They could reproduce their species in a laboratory. Soon, the air pollution and radiation was so severe, that many were dying from various diseases, and they began to move to the underground shelters.

Never being able to look at the stars again, trapped under rock for the rest of your life. They had to learn to adapt, and began altering their genetics to be more in touch with the underground ecosystem.

Part of this entailed restructuring bodies to absorb light frequencies beyond visible spectrum, and change to heat. The bodies began to learn to ingest nutrients from luminiferous rocks underground as well as luminiferous plants they had brought with them. They studies the plants and incorporated photosynthesis-like qualities into their genetics, thus receiving a nutrient boost from light.

Over hundreds of years they evolved underground, many died from the experimentation. Eventually things balanced out and they became symbiotic with the ecosystem. While this was occurring under the surface, many changes were happening on the surface. The intense radiation had broken down the planet's energy field to the subatomic level, creating an electromagnetic warp in the space/time fabric surrounding Apex. While underground, Apex physically shifted its position in the space/time continuum because of the energy breakdown.

A planet is connected to a series of multidimensional networks to other areas of the galaxy. The warp around their planet moved it through the fabric of time/space into another continuum quite far from their origin. That is the Reticulum star group. The inhabitants underground had no knowledge of this shift and continued evolving beneath the earth.

The manipulation of genetics was dramatic. Through the hundreds of years they were underground, they changed their body type to suit the environment. They made themselves shorter to take full advantage of cavern space. Their reproductive and digestive organs atrophied, they were now clones and taking in nutrients through the skin. Their eyes adapted to the dark that the pupil covered the entire eye. To allow frequencies light beyond the visible spectrum.

They analyzed what they had done to their planet, and concluded that emotions were largely responsible, and so they no longer allowed emotion into their lives. They took it to the extreme, to not allow their passions to rule them. They created a neuromechanical structure in which external stimuli produced the same reaction in every person. They felt this would integrate them into one entity and eliminate war and passion. They became beings of cold, hard, logic and rationality. Emotion was not acknowledged.

This was occurring simultaneously on many parts of the underground network. They were not all connected, different factions developed with no communication with others. Through the hundreds of years underground, the developed different philosophies about life and sense of self, but the general evolution and genetic manipulation was essentially identical. They were simply following an equation.

The different factions had differing points of view. There were those we call Zeta Reticuli, who are the benevolent and benign type. There are those we call the negative Zeta, whose factions were interested in power and domination, which they had carried from their lyran roots. There were even other groups which we have called "The Greys", who were from this same Apex world but had slightly different genetic structures. This is the much of the cause of much of the controversy surrounding these beings, they have the same lineage, but their motivations and agendas are quite varied.

Eventually enough time had passed that they could return to the surface. When they did they discovered the shock of the planet having shifted in the cosmos, and a new star pattern. They realized what had happened and what they did to their planet. The benevolent Zeta Reticuli became firmly committed to being one people, and diligently learned of the folding of time and space that had occurred. The negative and self-serving groups emerged, saw what they had done, and using their technology created ships to move to other planets in the Reticulum system to build their culture. Other self-serving groups explored the universe, setting up colonies in several systems including Betelgeuse and the Sirius system.

There is a certain evolutionary pattern, that a civilization will follow on average. We are now at the stage of playing with nuclear energies, there is a natural evolution of atomics thats moves us from the danger point. We are almost at that point right now, where we decide to move away from the danger scenario. The Zetas went into the danger scenario, and allowed technology to overcome their spiritual sense.

There are different factions of these beings, that come here with different reasons and intentions. They seem drawn to us. They want certain things from us that they feel they lack. The negative beings want genetic material, to improve their DNA. The benevolent beings want to observe us and learn what they have lost through cloning.

In a sense, we are their past as well as their future. At every turn they face us, we are their past, as well as representing their only hope for a future.

Currently the Zetas of every orientation resides in the high frequencies of the 4th density. They evolved for a great deal of time in 3rd density, and also created technology to evolve themselves physically. They are at the brink of becoming non-physical, but are staying because they still have something to learn. They are quasi-physical, having a very high vibration approaching nonphysicality.

As for government experiments with time travel, philadelphia experiment, montauk project, and all of those things.. that is for another thread  :wink: But suffice it to say a faction of the government made contact with the self-serving zetas some time ago and exchanged human genetics for technology.
 


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: jiva]
    #2112397 - 11/16/03 08:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The Reptilian race was one of the intelligent species to evolve on Earth long before mammals. During the time of the dinosaur, there was a small and agile dinosaur that developed into an intelligent species. However this species died from the same viral infections that killed the other dinosaurs.

The Reptilians that reside on Earth today are quarantined and are not the original reptilian race that was with the dinosaurs, they are all transplants. They do reside in a frequency between 3rd and 4th densities. They are of such an orientation that intermingling of our species would likely create one species dominating the other. And as such there is a rule that only one intelligent species are available for forming entities on 3rd density worlds. Slavery would be the result, as witnessed countless times in the past, this law is enforced by the Federation.

So the reptilian entities on our planet live underground, in a slightly higher frequency than us. They are not allowed physical interaction, so all they have is mental and psychic influence. Being that most of them are nourished by the frequency of fear and power, they go for and attempt to corrupt the minds of those in positions of influence and power in the 3rd density, who are easily swayed by fear.

Not all reptilian races are self-serving and fear-based, but it appears the majority is, at least in this galaxy.


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    #2112423 - 11/16/03 08:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

That sounds familiar...


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    #2112569 - 11/16/03 09:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I have mentioned the Lyran beings several times, and for good reason. Their history is long and involved, and intertwines with many races, but I will attempt to summarize it.

Lyrans

The Lyrans are considered to be the origin of humanoid life in this galaxy. It began many millions of years ago, they were beings based on free-will and having control over their reality. They believed in a universal wisdom or spirit, that Creation itself is the first cause.

Their civilization developed normally, and they reached high level of technological power. They began travelling through space. At a certain point they fell into disagreement and divided into factions with different ideas and goals. This eventually led to war, and since their technology was so great, the destruction of their society and home. Those who wished to escape possible destruction, took refuge and fled to various star systems. Some went to the Pleiades and Hyades, others went to nearby Vega. These new civilizations quickly developed to high technological levels and were once again able to travel in space. Some of the Pleiadians of Lyran ancestry, discovered the very hospitable and lush planet of Earth. Genetic experiments were done with the native Earth humans, who were at a primitive level, this was common with many races back then. The Lyrans on Earth mixed their genetics with Earth humans and later settled in various parts of the planet known as Lemuria and Atlantis. They soon produced highly evolved technologies and many wonderful machines and comforts.

Again conflict ensued, and the polarized camps broke into a violent war yeilding terrible destruction. The survivors escaped to other regions of space to start over. This appears to be a common pattern in the Lyran history; evolve to high levels of technology, self-destruct, start over. This process has repeated itself for many of millions of years in various levels in Lyran genetics.

A long time later the Pleiadians came back to check on their descendents of their ancestors who had survived and stayed on the planet. They found them and again mixed genetics and assisted humanity into gaining control and producing new technology. This society later became the famous Atlantis who raised science to amazing new levels that produced air and undersea travel before that civilization was destroyed by a surface war on Earth.

The descendants of the Lyrans, long evolved past conflict, are primarily interested in our welfare and feel a certain responsibility to us. They lost much of their history to conflict, and destroyed themselves several times..losing great technological advancements every time. They see that we have some of the war-like tendencies of their past, and that we are approaching the age of high technology that has destroyed them so many times. They don't want us to make the same mistakes.

Further back in Lyran history, there was a 5th planet in our solar system called Maldek or Marduk. It was right after Mars. The Lyrans had a society on that planet that developed high technology, but the planet was literally destroyed in a massive war of nuclear weapons and insanity. It exploded into millions of pieces, and is now known as the Asteroid Belt.

Lyran also claims to have history with Mars in the past, as according to them, they enslaved humans living there at the time, and attempted to shoot a nuclear blast at the sun to unravel it's dimensional powers or something along those lines. This entailed using a pyramid to harness and intensity the energy of nuclear weapons tenfold. However, their plan failed and all they managed to due was annihilate all life on the planet and destroy the atmosphere. According to the Lyrans, human life has been in this solar system for a long time, starting some millions of years ago in Venus, then Mars, Maldek, and Earth. The reincarnating souls have been on a long line of planets.

So just about every humanoid race in this galaxy can be traced back to Lyran genetics. We all come from the same source. They evolved differently in different star systems, as you will find the original Lyrans are a caucasian type, the ones from Vega were more of a brown skin, etc. They branched off into many sections of the galaxy. Currently in the original Lyran system it is thought that a reptilian race inhabits their original planet.

Earth is a melting pot for the galaxy. There are many races who share our genetics and are thus drawn towards us like family. Our re-emerging technology also attracts them to us, as we are nearing a landmark in evolution. They come here to observe us and assist according to our choices.

The Lyrans are now more spiritually evolved than ever before in their history, they no longer indulge in conflict and war. Their ancestors are responsible for the racial diversity on Earth today. The current Lyran visitors are here to undo some of the effects left by their less spiritual ancestors.. trying to balance the karma so to speak.


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #2112728 - 11/16/03 09:37 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

am edit


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    #2112742 - 11/16/03 09:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You don't have to read it.

It's not all sad stories. Some of them have happy endings.
Best to confront the darkness.


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    #2112889 - 11/16/03 10:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

am edit


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    #2112925 - 11/16/03 10:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

*snicker* :grin: 


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    #2112937 - 11/16/03 10:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

^^ edits for fairness. Sorry Shroomism. i did not mean to make fun. it was kind of funny tho, in my sleepy state last night. i should get more rest. :smirk:


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    #2113029 - 11/16/03 10:49 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for taking the time to type this up Shroomism! Really interesting stuff, please feel free to post some more!

What kind of art and music do these races have?


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: chunder]
    #2114338 - 11/17/03 03:57 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Shroomism... I have an old friend who's been astral projectig for probably 25 years. Anyway, he told me that a while back while in a deep trance state he had a vision...

This vision started with the evolution of a species on a planet similar to earth. He watched a sort of time lapse as they spread all over the planet and develped into factions. He could see wars ensuing on the planet and off the planet a giant space arc was being built over each faction. The battles heated up and a bunch of small shuttles flew to the arcs all over the world and near the same time, the surface of the planet was engulfed in flame.

The major arcs, realizing that what they had been fighting for was lost. Joined up and flew through space together (trailed by the ghosts of the past). Until they found a new lush planet and settled it. After a long time the whole thing repeated and again the major factions joined each other and flew off.

This repeated until they came to a planet he could recognize as earth. Well, they spread, they factioned, and now here we are.

He got the impression that due to the way we've developed here, we may not have the oppertunity to flee the destruction this time. But while in the past of earth's history, we were doomed to repeat our own history. But since the middle of this century new futures have been opening up, futures of peace and harmony and evolution.

The rest of the story is meaningful only to him, except the fact that if no one changes, we're doomed to repeat ourselves or worse... find ourselves with no future. And that the time for the choice of a future is close at hand (due to his and psychics all over the world's inability to see very far into the future anymore.

Anyway, your Lyrian post reminded me of this old vision.


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    #2115683 - 11/17/03 11:27 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

shroomism, i'm sorry i didn't take the time to read through all of your posts, but this planet X/Niburu is gonna cause this poleshift between today (17/11/2003) and 12/12/2003 right?? And otherwise swami is gonna collect 20k?? :confused: 


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #2119246 - 11/18/03 10:10 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

So the abductions that people claim are true in regards to negative zetas?

Is it true that the reptilians are based in underground bases in Africa, and are responsible for much of the destruction of that country?

Do you believe in the "Orion Group?"

Do you think the time loop opened up by Montauk/Philadelphia was opened for negative zetas trying to cross into our dimension more easily?

Do you believe in stargates? If so, do you think that negative zetas have been using them improperly, and that is why there is so much tension around places like the Middle East (where there is supposedly a stargate)?

I don't understand the nature of the parallel time loop opened up by the Montauk project. Is hyperspace something accepted by the scientific community? How come what happens here has so much influence on the parallel time loop? What I'm trying to say is: why are our current time line and the parallel time so interconnected?

Is it true that on the original time line the Germans won World War 2?

You claim that Atlantis was another attempt at civilization by the Lyrans, which I assume you also think ended around 10,000 BC. Many archaeologists are starting to think that Atlantis was the island of Santorini, which was completely destroyed by volcanic eruptions. Excavations have shown a high level of society there, with such things as indoor plumbing and pipe systems, as well as modern type structures and material possessions. Santorini only dates back to 1600 AD though. Any thoughts on this?


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: TrueBrode]
    #2123297 - 11/19/03 06:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quemo - yes the end date was 1/2004, looks like I may be losing  :shocked:


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So the abductions that people claim are true in regards to negative zetas?




Abductions is not the correct term, because no one is really abducted. Any contact with the Zetas is done first telepathically through what they label, "The Call". If the call is made in a state of fear, greed, desire for power over others, and other such negative, 'dark' energies.. then those who will respond are the service-to-self Zetas. Likewise if the call is made in a state of love, openness, desire to assist humanity, and other such benevolent intentions.. the call will be answered by the service-to-others.

Upon making "The Call", which is always answered, subconsciously, as explained previously.. all telepathy occurs in the subconscious. A dialogue will ensue between the contactee and the being(s), whereupon they will usually arrange a meeting, whether it be in the dream state, trance state, or otherwise. Subconsciously, you must agree to this meeting for them to meet with you, as per the rule of non-interference.

The reason they are remembered as abductions, instead of willing contacts, is because the contactee made the call, and agreed to the meeting in a state of fear. As such, the negative, service-to-self Zetas, will make contact and feed from that fear. The STS Zetas are mostly interested in human genetic material, to improve their 'dying race' as they say, and create hybrids. Since the contactee is centered in fear often throughout the entire contact, the memory is often repressed, and when it does surface, will be viewed as an abduction, instead of a willing contact. Truth be told there is no such thing as abductions (by aliens), since that is against the rule of non-interference.
All contacts are willing by both parties, subconsciously or no. The human mind being fragmented, oftentimes the subconscious will say one thing, while the conscious is thinking the total opposite. The beings only listen to the subconscious, they cannot channel themselves to a low enough vibration to decipher our conscious thoughts.


Do you believe in the "Orion Group?"

I am unfamiliar with the term "Orion Group", but the entities from Orion were next on my list  :wink:

Do you think the time loop opened up by Montauk/Philadelphia was opened for negative zetas trying to cross into our dimension more easily?

No. They already have access easy enough. However, it was a government experiment, no doubt influenced by the negative zetas. However horribly wrong it went..


Do you believe in stargates? If so, do you think that negative zetas have been using them improperly, and that is why there is so much tension around places like the Middle East (where there is supposedly a stargate)?


Stargates as in the CIA's projects with remote viewing? Yes.
Stargates as shortcuts through space? No.
The fastest way to travel through space is in a straight line. The one exception being hyperspace travel, which requires extremely high levels of technology and understanding. Wormholes and black holes, while existing and connecting to other portions of the galaxy in the space/time continuum, are not accessible as a shortcut, for physical or quasi-physical beings.

The tensions in the Middle East could be attributed to multiple factors, which would require another thread completely. Battles in the spiritual realms may play a large part.


I don't understand the nature of the parallel time loop opened up by the Montauk project. Is hyperspace something accepted by the scientific community? How come what happens here has so much influence on the parallel time loop? What I'm trying to say is: why are our current time line and the parallel time so interconnected?


I do not consider myself a part of the scientific community, so I cannot answer that.
Time is a tricky subject. while in 3D reality, it appears linear, as well as constant throughout the universe, this is not the case. In my opinion, time exists, but not in the way that we perceive it to. One thing to note is that while time may remain relatively the same throughout this star group, it varies drastically throughout the galaxy.
Time is not fixed, it is fluid and ever changing. Time is the rotation of the planets, stars, and galaxies.
I am by no means the time expert, so I think you should check out this link - http://www.crystalinks.com/timetravelmed.html


Is it true that on the original time line the Germans won World War 2?

Disinformation. However through the realm of parallel time lines, it is possible.


You claim that Atlantis was another attempt at civilization by the Lyrans, which I assume you also think ended around 10,000 BC. Many archaeologists are starting to think that Atlantis was the island of Santorini, which was completely destroyed by volcanic eruptions. Excavations have shown a high level of society there, with such things as indoor plumbing and pipe systems, as well as modern type structures and material possessions. Santorini only dates back to 1600 AD though. Any thoughts on this?


Santorini, if I am not mistaken, is in the Aegean Sea.
Atlantis, to my knowledge, was east of Florida. It was submerged under the ocean during a previous pole shift, and is located approximately where the "Bermuda Triangle" is now. Apparently, the magnetic field disturbances associated with that area, are as a result of a certain type of power plant that existed on Atlantis, which was part of the reason for it's destruction. When it sank, the 'power plant', which has something to do with highly unstable (radioactive) elements, and crystals, created a vortex of energy, which created a rift or crossover point between the 3rd and 4th densities. 



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What kind of art and music do these races have?




Most definitely, all intelligent races have their various cultures. Art is a reflection of culture, and the many alien cultures have different forms of art, music, expression, and such.

The Pleiadians immensely enjoy reading and music in their freetime. As well, a part of their culture is dance, and they will often have group dances to celebrate memorial celestial events, or for other emotional reasons. In fact, the Pleiadians have stated that besides their homes and spacecraft, the only material possessions they own are books, music, and gardening tools. They used to grow their food using machines, but observing us, were inspired by the idea of getting down in the dirt and doing it yourself. They take great pleasure in gardening and consider it an art form, as well as a grounding technique.

Music seems to be a constant throughout just about every race, although it appears in many different forms. Music with instruments is prominent, as well as vocal emanations. There are also forms of music beyond my current level of comprehension, involving the use of crystals. Music is universal, and comes in billions of forms. Even the stars sing.
The universe is a symphony.

However, most evolved races consider the written word to be cumbersome and inadequete. As such, holographic forms are employed, where all but telepathic thought is transmitted. In those cases, the intent of the author is relayed through symbolic motion, or recreating the situation.. similar to our movies.
This also seems to be the main way works of art are transmitted.

In the cases of performing music, telepathy is often employed, and though soundless.. the composition is relayed perfectly.



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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #2123932 - 11/19/03 11:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

shroomism, no disrespect, you seem like a very intelligent guy, but...

where do you come up with this shit?


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    #2124217 - 11/20/03 02:37 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

gawd told me
erm.. I mean, aliens


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    #2124231 - 11/20/03 02:45 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Is there some website you get all this stuff from?


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    #2124240 - 11/20/03 02:53 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Not really.. just accumulated knowledge from over the years.
I've posted in this thread just about every website I get some backup info from.

My favorites-
www.crystalinks.com
www.paoweb.com
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    #2124254 - 11/20/03 03:03 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I don't want to contact aliens


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    #2124268 - 11/20/03 03:10 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Really, I'd say that I think this stuff is really cool, but I don't believe. Whaddya say to that? Huh???


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    #2124269 - 11/20/03 03:11 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Free will mang. Believe or don't believe whatever you want.


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    #2124304 - 11/20/03 03:46 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Shroomism,

Have you read the Urantia Book?


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    #2124307 - 11/20/03 03:47 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

No...

should I?


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #2124327 - 11/20/03 04:12 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

"Have you read the Urantia Book?"

I know a really strange "artist" (meaning he has some really shitty paintings littering his hotel room and collects welfare). Who constantly thumps the urantia book wherever he goes. Ive read bits and peices, its pretty silly. I'd like to meet the people who wrote it and stare at them for a while, maybe poke them with a stick.

It would be funny if it is wall true, because it is so inconsequential. I think it claims that jesus was an alien or something, and that superman and jesus were second cousins.


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2124330 - 11/20/03 04:23 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

LOL<

Well I'm not going to try to defend it. It is an interesting read. Allot of it goes allong with this. It is a little out there, but so is everything else. The book basically was written by a host of entities that communicated through a man. The Doc that got it going was into Debunking psychics during the early part of the century. He met the man who the book was channeled through trying to debunk him. The "voice" told him that he should stop and start writing this stuff down. Thats how it came to be. A forum of some of the Who's Who in americka got together every week for a couple of years and asked these entities questions through this guy. Thats how it came to be as far as is said. However, whatever anyone believes in can be scrutinized. Unless you only believe in the "now" that someone else will confirm for you. later.

BTW if anyone wants to read it I think they have an online version at urantia.com or something like that it may not be a .com probably a .org.


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: medicinebag]
    #2124962 - 11/20/03 01:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The Urantia book is interesting, but its as long as the fuckin bible! Its really just an extension of the book of Enoch, plus it goes into the starseed/interstellar gene pool thing.


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    #2125747 - 11/20/03 08:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I do like the thoughts placed here about the dimensions or degrees of consciousness. Very interesting. The truth is deeper and wider than anyone knows. We will one day find that the truth is as relative as time. Meaning, there may be more than one truth. later.


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: medicinebag]
    #2211916 - 12/31/03 03:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #2212011 - 12/31/03 04:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Shroomism it is my personal belief and understanding that the 'greys', the most commonly seen type of alien in abduction scenario, are the malevolent force at work here.

Your text intrigues me because I had never thought of the possibility of communication through brain wave frequencies. The one problem I have is the notion of free will. There doesn't seem to me that their are any races spreading the peace and free will message just these grey aliens that keep interfering with us!


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Ego Death]
    #2212136 - 12/31/03 05:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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There doesn't seem to me that their are any races spreading the peace and free will message just these grey aliens that keep interfering with us!




When I am laying down on my bed, and I am zoning out but still making an effort to not actually release consciousness (I've found that if I put focus towards any real thought, then it keeps me awake, and when I am ready to go to sleep, I start to say random things without really thinking about what I am saying, and I am soon asleep), it seems as though I am fully awake.

I mean, I will actually seem that I am wide awake and everything, and if I open my eyes and turn on the light, it will definitely feel as if I just woke up from a short nap.

Ja, I've been drinking, and this isn't really what I wanted to say, but I didn't want to abandon it and not post it, but anways, "seem" isn't a good word. It "seems" as though.. At any rate, tell me, why do you seem to think that there are only maleovent, alien races fucking with us?

On a side note, in this language, why do we have to double the "e" in a word to get the same sound out of that letter that you would get out of it by pronouncing it by itself? Go on, say "E". Then say "seem". What is the difference?  :grin:
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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Ego Death]
    #2212425 - 12/31/03 08:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

dano, you must understand that in 4th density which the 'quasi-physical' aliens reside in, there are two separate categories.. essentially the malevolent and the benevolent. Due to the rule of non-interference they may not interfere with our conscious lives directly, but through simple subconscious communication and energy transfers, there can be a profound effect. Also because of the rule, any contact between the 'aliens' and humans must first be agreed to by both parties, which occurs on the subconscious level. Then comes into play the nature of the visitation, of which the 'contactee' is fully aware based on his/her telepathic dialogue with the beings. A fear-based "call" or arrangement of meeting, will result in the contact being answered by the malevolent beings, keeping in mind that this meeting is fully acknowledged by the contactee. A love-based call will in turn be answered by love based beings.

What the negative greys are doing is allegedly an attempt at saving their dying genetics by creating hybrids of humans and themselves. They tinkered with their dna so much that it now has a fatal flaw and is rapidly destroying their race with disease. It is speculated that this reality of greys is an alternate/parallel/future earth, visiting their past to replace what was once good. In so doing, they are facing an aspect of themselves they have long forgotten.. emotion and scary white eyes.. and we are facing a possible future with pure logic and cold dark eyes. Transfiguration if you think about it.

So the greys make arrangements for people to donate some tissue, a few blood cells, and other bodily necesseties, and the people agree. Only consciously they are often unaware of this, and due to the nature of the negative grey's presence, they are often gripped with fear during the entire process, and thus cast a negative perspective on the event. When in reality it was fully agreed on, and the intention was for good. Albeit the memory of it might suggest otherwise.

The greys are the most commonly heard about for various reasons I suspect. One would be the government's dealings with them in the past, also their subtle yet deep connection to us.. probably another large reason is that our perception of what an 'alien from another planet' should look like fits them comfortably enough for us. I suppose many would be surprised to see a spaceship land and a regular looking human walked out, yet that would be common. The Zetas are visiting the Earth is massive quantity though, and I do believe they are the largest alien presence here. They come in both sides of the spectrum, you just hear about the bad experiences more often because "we tend to focus on the bad more then the good".. but the reality is that the "good" aliens far outweigh the bad.

At any rate the 'malevolent' and 'benevolent' beings both exist for a reason, and it creates a balance of progression. Negative exists to be learned from, and is the stuffs of evolution.


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2311132 - 02/07/04 09:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

We are not ready for alien contact. How can we embrace an alien when we cant even embrace the humans around us.


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #2311442 - 02/07/04 01:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

This was a great post. Long but intresting enough to keep you reading. Vibration is existance. As vibation rates change in diffrent parts of space dusts and gases give birth to suns and planets. Suns and planets give birth to plants and animals. And thats where this "cossiousness" or "awareness of self" kicks in.We need food because even at the celular level of existance we demand energy. We all are able to live because of the electromagnetic and gravity field around this planet and even our "conciousness" or "awareness of self" is merely a chaotic firing of signals all over our brains. All this energy flows and feeds of each other. From the atmosphere to the Earth from the Earth our Bodies and a million other ways. IN our current density we can enxpirience this flow as Weather, Trees growing, Eating an apple. This is how we see it in this density because thats how we sensor it in the Physical level. Thats my basic opinion on physics, the existance of matter and the evolution of life.


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Scolecite]
    #2311452 - 02/07/04 01:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Scolecite said: We are not ready for alien contact. How can we embrace an alien when we cant even embrace the humans around us.

The arrival of another species would definitely act as a catalyst for human unity.


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Viaggio]
    #2311496 - 02/07/04 02:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah... WAR against them

Look at how alien contact is portrayed in movies and TV. The vast majority of it is basically aliens = wanting to take over the world, so lets kill them all before they have a chance. God forbid peace-loving beings would have the capapabilities of space travel.

And that is why they are not in our daily lives. We will not embrace each other, let alone a species from a far away planet or galaxy. They are not stupid. Humanity is not ready, as the government decided for us in the 50s. So they protray aliens as evil beings who are set on world domination.. when that is just a reflection of our own darkness that we must overcome.


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    #2311527 - 02/07/04 02:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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    #2311530 - 02/07/04 02:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

death, aliens, unity, peace, common sense.. etc..


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #2311690 - 02/07/04 03:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I somewhat disagree with you, Shroomism (and yet you're still cool). I think humans could handle it, could adapt. I don't remember the exact words, but in the movie Men in Black, Tommy Lee Jones' character describes the difference between the individual and the masses. He explains how an individual has reason, compassion, etc whereas, the masses are typically stubborn, ignorant, afraid and panicy. Make sense?

I wish I could find the exact quote because the writer described it perfectly.


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Viaggio]
    #2311702 - 02/07/04 03:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yes and I would agree with that quote for the most part.. however, mass contact with aliens would be dealing with our civilization as a whole, not the individual.


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #2311723 - 02/07/04 03:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah...(if only people were more like me) oh well :smile:


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2311740 - 02/07/04 03:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Found it...looks like my quote was way off.

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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #2311747 - 02/07/04 03:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

If the aliens were more evolved than us, then it would make sense for them to avoid contact in order not to disturb natural evolutionary course. However i belive this rule might have been broked early in human's history. Hence religion, mathematics, music and art all sprouting up around the same time period in our sentient infancy on this planet.


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Spokesman]
    #2311772 - 02/07/04 03:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

And that is exactly their stance.. per the rule of non-interference.. they are not permitted to directly interfere with the free will and reality of "Undeveloped" civilizations... undeveloped meaning a civilization that has not yet travelled outside of their own solar system, found world unity, or ascended into the 4th dimension. Until then they are only allowed to interact with individuals or groups that request the contact, and even then they cannot interfere with that individual's sense of self and reality.. their contact is limited to subconscious interaction, mostly in the dream or trance states.

This rule exists because free will was severely interefered with in the past, and it made for lots of bad things. So they put this rule in place to ensure that a civilization must be at a certain level of spiritual maturity before they can make themselves known on a global level. For several reasons... one being they don't want to be worshipped as gods..like in the past... two being 'evil' aliens can't enslave a race that thinks they are gods. etc..



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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #2311794 - 02/07/04 03:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

No offense, Shroomism, but it seems like you're making too many assumptions there. It seems logical, but maybe too bold to claim you know, eh?


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Viaggio]
    #2311803 - 02/07/04 03:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'm an alien, I'm supposed to know these things.


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #2311815 - 02/07/04 03:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Uh...oh no  :shiftyeyes:


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Viaggio]
    #2312107 - 02/07/04 05:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

viaggio -


Explaining the science of astronomy to an ant would be very difficult - and provided the ant could speak, he might say "where on earth did you dream up this stuff?"

The astronomer knows this because his perception allows him to pierce into the reality of astronomy.


Shroomism knows what he knows because his perception has allowed him to see the reality of what he speaks of, my friend. I don't think he'd compile this thread out of ignorance, nor does it appear so!


He is also not asking you to blindly trust in him either, so worse comes to worse, if you don't understand or agree with it, just don't let it effect your consciousness right now!



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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: tekramrepus]
    #2312135 - 02/07/04 05:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I understand your analogy and I don't interpret it as insult (though it easily could have been). Sigh...I have an open mind, but sometimes it's hard to understand others' perspectives. Claiming to be an alien is such a bold thing...it's very easy to seriously discredit someone's reputation after that.

Shroomism, how did you understand your identity to be this way?


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Viaggio]
    #2312252 - 02/07/04 06:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

thank you for understanding my words and not getting upset by them, to me that is something these message boards often lack, the ability to except other possibilities , and to not get angered by other's words :smile:


I definately meant no insult, i was just trying to form a connection through words, which can be very difficult!


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #2312453 - 02/07/04 07:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Shroomism, are you familiar with the whole Annunaki story??


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #2312479 - 02/07/04 07:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

So lets say man continue's his global destruction and everything stays the same save one thing: out of solar system travel.. Should we expect aliens to be landing left right & centre all over the place dropping crop circles and teaching the harm in our ways? I for one don't have the patients for the rest.. of course I don't; I'm 21 and want results yesterday... I wanna see shit go down before the end of my run, but things just aren't looking too promising...


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #2312600 - 02/07/04 08:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm an alien, I'm supposed to know these things.




Ya know, I always knew that somewhere, renegade aliens were trying to spread word of what's ACTUALLY going on, but I never thought I'd be lucky enough to witness it myself.

Shroomism - PM me details to further my belief in your allogations.. I know too little, yet have seen too much.


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Viaggio]
    #2312988 - 02/07/04 11:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well I never cared too much for reputations, they are like the double-edged sword of pre-conceived notions eh? I like to shatter and recreate the mold as much as possible. Actually, I'm a human, that believes in reincarnation and has awakened memory of past lives, I just know why I'm here. To help you guys help me help each other so that we can all embrace diversity in humanity, and we can all remember our past lives, and we can all create a planet of sovereign beings where free will is respected and upheld. Alls I'm saying is that I know I am here for a reason, and I cannot leave in the middle of the mission.. here for the long haul.

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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #2313030 - 02/07/04 11:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i would be interested in hearing some more of the histories of the other races, or if you could throw out some links, someone, it would be awesome...


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    #2313059 - 02/07/04 11:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

shroomism, do you think "satan" is (or was) an ET?


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    #2313091 - 02/08/04 12:08 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That's an interesting question... I think that Lucifer was a 6th dimensional being of light, and could appear as such to someone, yes.

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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #2313231 - 02/08/04 01:18 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

My beliefs are shattered Shroomism..  You have lied to thine followers, and now have no credibility in the areas of the devine.  Well, I guess it's time to rename Shroomism to Christianity. :wink:


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #2313665 - 02/08/04 05:26 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I just know why I'm here. To help you guys help me help each other so that we can all embrace diversity in humanity, and we can all remember our past lives, and we can all create a planet of sovereign beings where free will is respected and upheld. Alls I'm saying is that I know I am here for a reason, and I cannot leave in the middle of the mission.. here for the long haul.





Are you Jesus? Cuz i think we would like to know before the whole raptor thing goes down you know. :confused:


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #2313816 - 02/08/04 09:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

According to Pleiadian ideas. Time works diffrently at diffrent frequency vibrations. They state that in actuallity everything happens at once. What will happen and what allready happened is happening at the same instant. Therefore sheding light on De Ja Vu, Dreams and visions that hint at future events. In other words linear time is only a neuralogical illusion created by us in order to experience this reality the way we do. Shroomism, if you truly have this higher frequency knowledge then can you give us some insight on this.


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #2313817 - 02/08/04 09:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i ask because i've been reading stories about certain people who have allegedly worshiped satan for thousands and it got me thinking that maybe those people who thought satan was talking to them and telling them what to do were actually communicating with an et.


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #2313869 - 02/08/04 10:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't understand the nature of the parallel time loop opened up by the Montauk project. Is hyperspace something accepted by the scientific community? How come what happens here has so much influence on the parallel time loop? What I'm trying to say is: why are our current time line and the parallel time so interconnected?


I do not consider myself a part of the scientific community, so I cannot answer that.




"Hyperspace" is a term sometimes used by the science community. It is usually in reference to any "space" which is outside of our normal 4-D spacetime. Imagine a soap bubble, where the skin of the bubble is a 2-D universe. All the 3-D space inside the bubble would be considered "hyperspace" to any 2-D beings existing on the skin of the bubble. They would not, and in fact could not, be perceptually aware of this 3-D space...though there are experiments they could perform to see if it is there or not.


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Re: Alien/Human Relations, Version 2 [Re: trendal]
    #2313879 - 02/08/04 10:53 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"Imagine a soap bubble, where the skin of the bubble is a 2-D universe. All the 3-D space inside the bubble would be considered "hyperspace" to any 2-D beings existing on the skin of the bubble. They would not, and in fact could not, be perceptually aware of this 3-D space...though there are experiments they could perform to see if it is there or not."

If this was true, wouldn't that mean that we exist in a 2-D universe, and that the inside of the earth is this 3-D space known as hyperspace? I mean, your concept is almost a perfect analogy for what I'm describing here...

Edit: P.S. I love your avatar icon, cracks me up every time I see it.


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    #2313893 - 02/08/04 11:10 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well no, because we quite obviously do not live in two dimensions. I am 5'7 in height...if we were 2-D I would have no height at all, only length and width.

For the sake of the argument, I am imagining the skin of the soap bubble to have zero thickness...that is, it is a truely 2-D surface with no height.

However, we already do use the surface of the Earth as a rough analogy of a 2-D universe. When you tell someone you are going to meet them...how often do you provide them with coordinates above/below sea level? :smirk:


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    #2314002 - 02/08/04 12:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"For the sake of the argument, I am imagining the skin of the soap bubble to have zero thickness...that is, it is a truely 2-D surface with no height."

K, this clears it up.. I interpretted the first post about it as if you were suggesting the beings on the surface of the bubble were like us, or something. heh. I dunno.


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    #2314997 - 02/08/04 06:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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JacquesCousteau said:
"For the sake of the argument, I am imagining the skin of the soap bubble to have zero thickness...that is, it is a truely 2-D surface with no height."

K, this clears it up.. I interpretted the first post about it as if you were suggesting the beings on the surface of the bubble were like us, or something. heh. I dunno.




either way, you can apply this example to a 5D universe, when we exist in 4d spacetime, and yes, it's something we may not be able to fully comprehend, but it's the same idea...


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    #2315204 - 02/08/04 08:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Bingo :wink:

It is much more productive to try and visualize things with fewer dimensions than our own spacetime than it is to attempt at visualizing more dimensions.


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