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johnm214

I don't think so, I think it only assumes that there it is cowardly to quit, and that suicide is necesarily quiting.

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yes i think this is true

capitalist mentality i wonder?..

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I don't buy this either, never made any sense to me.  A friend of my Aunt is Chinese (PRC), and his grandfather killed himself during the cultural revolution.

He was determined to be a reactionary element (had a small factory) or some such nonsense and went into hiding.  After saying goodbye to his family he killed himself- in his suicide note he expressed sorrow but said, rightly, that he knew his family would be harrased and beaten/killed untill the Communist Party found him, and that the only way out was to kill himself so that the Communist Party found his body, knew he was dead, and didn't need to torture his family to get them to talk or try and get him to turn himself in to stop the torture of his kin.  (not that Stalinist regimes don't kill several generations at times, especially in N. Korea, but thats a seperate matter)


In this situation, it seems quite a brave thing to do to kill yourself, no?

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Diploid

It's akin to telling someone in a burning house that running out is the cowards way out.

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amen to that

quinn said:

dude we are all terminal

life is a temporary problem

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quinn said:

ive never understood why people say this

doesn't it assume that life is inherently good and meaningful?

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Shandy said:

Suicide can be seen as a selfish act if you consider the impact on friends and relatives. Imagine the grief / guilt inflicted on a loving parent whose child has killed themselves.

However, it's churlish to judge suicidal people or label them cowards as by definition they're suffering extreme stress and depression and are unable to cope.

Also some forms of suicide are much more selfish / cowardly than others. For eg throwing yourself under a train - think of the poor, traumatised bastard who has to scrape your remains off the tracks and bag you up. It's fair enough if you want to escape this life, but don't pass your trauma on to others any more than is absolutely necessary.

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yeh i am aware of this kind of reasoning... it just seems fucking stupid

i mean yeh obviously this action will have some sort of impact on the world just as every other action does. just because people will not be able to procure their own happiness/comfort from the existence of your severely depressed physical manifestation does not make this a selfish act imo
if you consider all the other things that people do in in this fucked up place suicide is heroic by comparison

the argument that 'suicide is selfish' that people seem to self righteously spout just seems poorly informed, unsympathetic and, well, selfish

icelander is right some people just cant face their own death anxiety 

quinn said:

icelander is right some people just cant face their own death anxiety 

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ripten said:

all sane people have already killed themselves

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^ Lmao ....win