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Suicide by flying on LSD and Mushrooms.
    #7109433 - 06/29/07 11:28 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Is it because they are stupid or that psychedelics gave them the courage to face death and realize that death is beautiful and nothing to be afraid of?


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Re: Suicide by flying on LSD and Mushrooms. [Re: mikebart101]
    #7109472 - 06/29/07 11:35 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

:shrug:
Lack of education
Weak minds
Stupid illusions
All of the above...

On a side note... you said: Is it because they are stupid or that psychedelics gave them the courage to face death

I understand by that if you had the "courage" you'd kill yourself, meaning that the only reason why you're still alive is because you don't have "the balls"?
Just curious...
Correct me if I'm wrong.


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Re: Suicide by flying on LSD and Mushrooms. [Re: mikebart101]
    #7109752 - 06/30/07 12:31 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

mikebart101 said:
Is it because they are stupid or that psychedelics gave them the courage to face death and realize that death is beautiful and nothing to be afraid of?




Both.


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Re: Suicide by flying on LSD and Mushrooms. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7109791 - 06/30/07 12:38 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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meaning that the only reason why you're still alive is because you don't have "the balls"?




Ever since my skiing accident - well, I don't want to talk about it. :lipsrsealed:


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Re: Suicide by flying on LSD and Mushrooms. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7109889 - 06/30/07 01:02 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
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meaning that the only reason why you're still alive is because you don't have "the balls"?




Ever since my skiing accident - well, I don't want to talk about it. :lipsrsealed:




:what:

:rofl:


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Re: Suicide by flying on LSD and Mushrooms. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7109909 - 06/30/07 01:06 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

So if my voice is a little higher than it once was, so what? Some songs require a soprano...


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Re: Suicide by flying on LSD and Mushrooms. [Re: mikebart101]
    #7110414 - 06/30/07 08:26 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

one of the first window-jumping suicides behind LSD was by a CIA spook who was dosed by co-workers& for the next few days just couldn't stand the non-stop paranoia, & ended it by ending his life
(this was in the 1950s; for more gummint nastiness, research operation MK-ULTRA...)

(note: long term negative reactions to LSD, requiring medical intervention, are in the 0.3 % range --- just about equal to the range for psychotherapy long term negative reactions... go figure...)


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Re: Suicide by flying on LSD and Mushrooms. [Re: mikebart101]
    #7110557 - 06/30/07 09:27 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

mikebart101 said:
Is it because they are stupid or that psychedelics gave them the courage to face death and realize that death is beautiful and nothing to be afraid of?




I could see how a person could get into a trip head space that seemed so bad that the only way out would be end it all. So I think it is neither of the two things you suggested.

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Re: Suicide by flying on LSD and Mushrooms. [Re: fivepointer]
    #7110567 - 06/30/07 09:33 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I haven't seen too many articles about people jumping or burning themselves up in fires. Actually the CIA guy was the only one I knew and still know of.

Any others?

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Re: Suicide by flying on LSD and Mushrooms. [Re: Maverick]
    #7111644 - 06/30/07 03:30 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

The problem isn't that one cannot fly, it's just the landing that may prove difficult.

I think I may have heard this elsewhere as well, but if
'suddenly' during a trip you thought you could fly, why not try taking off from the ground? Anyone who can't figure out that there new found wings would work just as well this way is doing us a much needed 'thinning of the herd' and there's not that much to be sad about.


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Re: Suicide by flying on LSD and Mushrooms. [Re: Grok]
    #7111860 - 06/30/07 04:26 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

True enough, cilo.

We should give that principle a try against the astral projection folks who think the only people who get hit by bullets are those who "let it happen".

"Here you go. Okay, now move twenty feet that way. No, a little further. I'm a real stickler for gun safety." *chachick* "Get ready! Mind over matter, baby!"


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Re: Suicide by flying on LSD and Mushrooms. [Re: mikebart101]
    #7112069 - 06/30/07 05:31 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I had an acquaintance who, at age 21, fearful of growing old and feeling that he had done everything that he wanted to do, planned his suicide and carried it out after apparently bolstering himself with some Berkeley orange acid (very strong as I remember well). He drafted 12 letters to his best friends (I was not among them), and as I had a car, and had taken 6 months off from college to find myself, in between bumming around at South Mountain Reservation (a wooded area with cliffs and a waterfall where we smoked hash), I was unwittingly helping him get his loose end together by driving him around town to return library books, take stuff out of the dry cleaners, etc.

Phil drove to the bottom of a high cliff, climbed up, and took a dive. Was it stupidity that convinced a 21 year old to kill himself even though he had a girlfriend who'd do kinky things for Phil, so he was not without companionship or sex? Was it poor self-esteem or unwillingness to assume an occupational identity? He used to mock elderly folk as they walked past the car at red lights. In feigned crotchety voice he'd say: "I don't mind being burned out."

I believe he used that strong acid to create sufficient emotional detachment at the time of his death. He was a sick guy. His very Catholic parents wouldn't trust him alone in a room with his own sister for fear he might do something gross or inappropriate. He'd masturbate his dog Sparky for get laughs from his alcoholic friends (who went on the wagon as a direct result of Phil's suicide). Like lots of people, Phil was more afraid of life than of death. It wasn't the LSD that caused him to jump to his untimely death.


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Re: Suicide by flying on LSD and Mushrooms. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #7113197 - 06/30/07 11:17 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I think you're absolutely correct, Markos. I think a lot of the attention that these drugs get in relation to suicide has to do with the fact that they could be, and sometimes are, used to facilitate it, even though I think most who are wholeheartedly opposed to the substances think that the substances have caused it instead. There is an important distinction there.

I know that for one, I would be more comfortable knowing that a friend, or even an acquaintance, felt detached enough to just maybe find some peace at the time of his end. Whatever may come after--though I believe it to be only sleep--I think there can be nothing better than peace in a moment of suffering. And that's what he found.

Here's to your acquaintance.


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Re: Suicide by flying on LSD and Mushrooms. [Re: mikebart101]
    #7113449 - 07/01/07 12:16 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Isn't it normal to be able to fly while tripping?


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Re: Suicide by flying on LSD and Mushrooms. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7116583 - 07/01/07 09:23 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Any accidental ones? People genuinely thinking they could fly? Or is that all BS put out by the media? Are they all generally suicide attempts or accidents caused from slips while climbing objects?

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Re: Suicide by flying on LSD and Mushrooms. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7116650 - 07/01/07 09:38 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Isn't it normal to be able to fly while tripping?




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Re: Suicide by flying on LSD and Mushrooms. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7117185 - 07/01/07 11:33 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

You know, its interesting because I had the most amazing trip on acid last October. I hiked the forested hill behind my parent's house with my dad, and I sat at the very edge of the limestone bluff overlooking the river valley, and never did I think I could fly, never did I even worry that I would fall..... I was so aware of everything regarding the experience that I was simply conscious of my body and its position and everything was fine. My dog, on the other hand, must have had a death wish.... :shocked: I had to toss him back up off the bluff 'cause I wasn't going to jump after him... :lol:


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Re: Suicide by flying on LSD and Mushrooms. [Re: mikebart101]
    #7118718 - 07/02/07 11:07 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

i definetly dont think its that people can fly.
i bet people get into the mind set that this is never gonna end. and are freaked the fuck out, and commit suicide.

rule of thumb. if you cant fly when your sober, probably wont be able to fly on acid.

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Re: Suicide by flying on LSD and Mushrooms. [Re: evolprim]
    #7118794 - 07/02/07 11:23 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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if you cant fly when your sober, probably wont be able to fly on acid.




A variant of that should be posted at all karaoke bars: "If you can't sing when you are sober, then you can't sing when you are drunk!"

Although I must admit I am definitely sexier when drunk...


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Re: Suicide by flying on LSD and Mushrooms. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7134160 - 07/05/07 06:47 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I am about to post a thread in relation to this topic in the PUB its very long and drawn out personal experience of mine that I have wanted to get off my chest i named it "IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON - RELIVING HELL"


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