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OfflineCleverName
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suicide
    #3394572 - 11/21/04 10:34 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

Suicide is a significant cause of death in many western countries, in some
cases exceeding deaths by motor vehicle accidents annually. Many countries
spend vast amounts of money on safer roads, but very little on suicide
awareness.

if we are on the fringe of evolution, why do we (as a population) do this. the stats are just too damn high.
aren't we supposed to be the best adapted, the best assimilated?



In the United States . . .

30,622 individuals completed suicide in 2001?that?s 83.9 people each day?one person approximately every 17.2 minutes. Of those 30,622 individuals, approximately 3,971 were youth between 15 and 24 years old.

Suicide is the 11th leading cause of death in the United States; however, it is the 3rd leading cause of death for youth (ages 15-24), exceeded only by accidents and homicides.

Homicide is the 13th leading cause of death. More Americans kill themselves than are killed by others.

765,000 Americans, annually have attempted to kill themselves.

Youth have the second highest rate of completed suicide: for every 100-200 young people who attempt suicide, one successfully completes the act.

Approximately 10.9 youth complete suicide each day?that?s one young person every 2 hours and 12 minutes.

The elderly (ages 65+) have the highest rate of completed suicides: approximately 5,393 elders completed suicide in 2001. For every four older adults who attempt suicide, one successfully completes the act.

Approximately 15 elderly individuals complete suicide each day.

Most youth complete suicide in their homes between the hours of 3 p.m. and midnight.

Women are three times more likely to attempt suicide then men, but men are four times more likely to complete suicide then women.

Firearms are the most common method used for completing suicide (55.1% of all suicides were completed with a firearm); that is approximately 16,869 individuals who used firearms in 2001.

Each suicide intimately affects at least 6 other people; thus, if there is a suicide every 17 minutes, then there are 6 new survivors every 17 minutes as well.

Of the 30,622 documented completed suicides in 2001: 24,672 were males & 5,950 were females; 27,710 were white, 1,957 were black and 2,912 were non whites.

Old people made up 12.4% of 2001 population but committed 17.6% of the suicides. Suicides comprise 14% of all deaths among 15-24 year olds.

The suicide rate of African Americans males, ages 10-14, has increased by 180% since 1980. Among 15-19 year old black males, rates have increased 80%


(1999 data).
Source:
American Association of Suicidology, 2001 Summary Data; www.suicidology.org


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Offlinezahudulallah
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Re: suicide [Re: CleverName]
    #3394590 - 11/21/04 10:37 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

That's a good question at hand...

why is it suicide out of despair prevails in Western-egalitarian culture?


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OfflineMcKennaFan200
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Re: suicide [Re: CleverName]
    #3394599 - 11/21/04 10:38 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

People are going to kill themselves in some instances no matter what is said to them.  It is an inherited mental instability I believe.  Whoever said we are the best adapted/assimilated has lied to you.  :smirk:


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Re: suicide [Re: CleverName]
    #3394680 - 11/21/04 10:51 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

Youth have the second highest rate of completed suicide: for every 100-200 young people who attempt suicide, one successfully completes the act.
I am bothered by this appalling success rate. Have we fathered a bunch of losers who cannot complete such a simple task?


Dude #1: I was depressed and tried to kill myself last night.

Dude #2: What did you do, man?

Dude #1: I drank the bong water.

Dude #2: Woah, dude! :craven:


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OfflineMcKennaFan200
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Re: suicide [Re: Swami]
    #3394716 - 11/21/04 10:56 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

I've actually drank poison before when I attempted in my darkest day....something wouldn't let me die.


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Re: suicide [Re: Swami]
    #3394741 - 11/21/04 11:02 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

You don't have to act like an asshole and call them losers.  :sad:

I tried to kill myself about a year ago.. fucked my neck up something awful and came pretty close. I felt the cold creeping in.. gradually my chanting of the shahadah (there is no god but Allah) become slurred and broken up.. and then out of nowhere the branch broke and I was lying there like a poor fool. I picked myself up since then, thank GOD.

Suicide may be selfish, but there's no need to be aggressive about it.


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Re: suicide [Re: CleverName]
    #3394745 - 11/21/04 11:03 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

The rates are going up for one of two reasons

Which will be taken as crazed thoughts of a crazed Christian who smokes to much Pot :lol:

Ok

First...........During the ends times of Man and in the beging of the 4 horses there will be many Suicides as the evil forces must claim as many souls as they can before they are all cast into the lake of fire.

Blah blah blah


Second and what I really think........Man and his brain evolve around his life and world. Mans world is full of pain and hate more than it has been in many decades. We suffer from TV and modern inventions. We only work 8 hours a day and not 16. So we have a huge amount of free time to ponder bad thoughts. I think Man is trying in anyway to implode. And Suicide is a result of this path. Suicide is a evolution of man mistakes.

Crazy hun?


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InvisibleFucknuckle
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Re: suicide [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3394764 - 11/21/04 11:08 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

Quote:

zahudulallah said:
Suicide may be selfish, but there's no need to be aggressive about it.




There are times aggresssion is all a Man can do to save someone from Suicide. During my years running a homeless shelter I had to deal with this stupid behavor MANY times. And most times I was pissed and was fairly rude. I handled most of then with the love of a father who will not stand for such cowardly acts. There were a few that I had to handle with super duper sweety pie kisses. But that only lasted until they got there shit toghter then I let them have it. I. E. hey lets make a plan and help you out. BUT GET DOWN TO IT :grin: stay busy keep your thought in line friend etc.........


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Re: suicide [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3394777 - 11/21/04 11:10 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

You don't have to act like an asshole and call them losers.

I am not without compassion. I was joking about the 1/200 "success" rate. Ever hear of dark humor?  :heart:


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Re: suicide [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3394784 - 11/21/04 11:11 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

No need to pat me on the back... my flip out at life is ancient history now.  :heart:


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Re: suicide [Re: McKennaFan200]
    #3394786 - 11/21/04 11:12 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

I've actually drank poison before when I attempted in my darkest day....something wouldn't let me die.

Probably more to do with body chemistry and dosage than any divine intervention.


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Re: suicide [Re: Swami]
    #3394789 - 11/21/04 11:13 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

Hehe yes.. like the Seinfeld joke on why suicidals always give up after the first failed suicide... it's funny because it's true  :wink:


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Re: suicide [Re: Swami]
    #3394791 - 11/21/04 11:13 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

Who knows? It opened my eyes, and that's all that matters.


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Re: suicide [Re: McKennaFan200]
    #3394852 - 11/21/04 11:31 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

I have been poisoned by accident. I found it so horribly unpleasant that never would I attempt to ingest poison in an attempt to kill myself. At one point I WANTED to die because I was so miserably sick.


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Re: suicide [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3394905 - 11/21/04 11:43 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

Ouch... what happened?


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Re: suicide [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3394934 - 11/21/04 11:48 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

The best way I thought of to kill myself as a young Man was to put my head into a plastic bag and fill it with Ether fumes and duct tape it shut. Poison? Nope just because if what happened to you. Lucky you didn't do some wacked brain damage and live in a wheelshair or something

Glad to know you made it

But I found that suicide is very silly and cowardly


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Re: suicide [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3395128 - 11/22/04 12:34 AM (12 years, 20 days ago)

When I was in high school I was preparing some dogfish for dissection in biology class. I had rubber gloves but they were too small so I just used my hands. I had a very long skin exposure to the preservative and breathed the fumes for a good hour (stank too), and before long I was immobile and doing the exorcist style vomiting. I wasn't right for three days...I didn't nearly die, I just wished I would because it really sucked.


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Re: suicide [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3396861 - 11/23/04 04:13 AM (12 years, 19 days ago)

life is the only situation where the "winners" take the longest to complete it.


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Re: suicide [Re: BleaK]
    #3396913 - 11/23/04 04:47 AM (12 years, 19 days ago)

Cuz western society isn't really aimed towards providing neccesary mental and spiritual needs for individuals?
I mean, what else would it be?


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