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Offlinezahudulallah
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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: psyka]
    #3385951 - 11/19/04 08:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

He's cross between a cat and a green hippo and he practices buddhism!  :tongue2:



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InvisibleRavus
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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3385956 - 11/19/04 08:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I would think hell is here on earth. Jesus said the Kingdom of Heaven is within us and we attain it ourselves, so therefore Hell is also within us, which many attain in this lifetime by their greed, hatred and arrogance

"I am not collecting my knowledge from letters and books, but I have it within my own Self; because heaven and earth with all their inhabitants, and moreover God himself, is in man."
-Buddha

But without a doubt I don't believe Hell could be eternal, as humans gain more wisdom and compassion as they gain experience, and therefore wouldn't be eternally in this realm of lower consciousness- the greed and hatred and arrogance. The typical view of Hell, by the fundamentalist Muslims and Christians, is ridiculous, and the complete opposite of a completely-loving, all-forgiving and eternally aware Higher Consciousness


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Offlinezahudulallah
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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: Ravus]
    #3385958 - 11/19/04 08:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup:

God is within us. Through love, we cultivate the Living Father within.


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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: lucid]
    #3385959 - 11/19/04 08:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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lucid said:
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dblaney18 said:
I think it was mainly the Europeans of old that had this cultural taboo which spread to America and elsewhere they colonized. Take the Japanese for instance. In their culture, they even go so far as to have ritual suicide. You can commit suicide if you lost a battle because of something you did. You can even commit suicide to bring shame on someone. In Europe, if someone insulted you, you would challenge them to a duel, and then one or both of you would die. In Japan, if someone insulted you, you could commit suicide and bring shame upon the insulter. Quite frankly this strikes me as being largely more effective (not to say that I really think suicide is a GOOD thing!). However, they also experience less guilt. If someone commits suicide, then there is a sadness, but nothing like in the western hemisphere, where many people who knew the person who commited suicide would feel some personal responsibility.

Assuming I remember any of my history.




very interesting, I wasn't aware of this. Any Japanese folks
out there care to elaborate ? or anyone who knows more about
this ?




They slice open their stomach and flip their guts out, then someone cuts their head off from behind. Thats the proper way to do it, how i was taught anyway. I'm not japanese btw.


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InvisibleFucknuckle
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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3385963 - 11/19/04 08:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

What I mean about hate is the opposite of God that's all

No personal attacks here.............Sorry

You nay be right about Hell is just non-existent. That makes sense. Because to be without God,love is to be nothing.

So maybe Hell is nothing and Heaven is everything. That is how a battery works. The negative terminal gives you nothing while the Positive terminal gives you everything.

You and I probably agree a lot more than we think


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Offlinezahudulallah
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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3385977 - 11/19/04 08:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

We tend to agree here... Heaven and Hell are more symbols than actual, literal realities.

Frankly, I don't care for an earthly Paradise. I tend to role my eyes when my Muslim friends go on how they cant wait to nail the virgins in Paradise.. I asked one of them once "Wouldn't rather just be with Allah and experience nothing but His love instead?".. he had nothing to say after that.

He later said something about "rewards" and I'm like :whocares:


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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: Ravus]
    #3386000 - 11/19/04 09:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Ravus said:
But without a doubt I don't believe Hell could be eternal, as humans gain more wisdom and compassion as they gain experience, and therefore wouldn't be eternally in this realm of lower consciousness- the greed and hatred and arrogance. The typical view of Hell, by the fundamentalist Muslims and Christians, is ridiculous, and the complete opposite of a completely-loving, all-forgiving and eternally aware Higher Consciousness





There has got to be a etneral place for bad people to go. They cannot be with God. God would be destroyed and all would cease to be.

Without a bad place,Hell, the other side there can be no LOVE. Love is a Choice. That is the key. CHOICE

Jesus said it many many times.


If The grand plan was just to put us all in the same pot of LOVE then where is the Love in that?

If I had a Child that a all costs just plain out hated me and tried to hurt me and did everything I asked it not to. Do I allow him to be with me forever. I don't think so but I still love the child even though the child hates me. If I tell the child " Hey in a few years I am moving to Hawaii and unless you decided to know me and begin to love me your not going.That is the reward for having a loving realationship with me child"

See the child would just laugh at me because he hates me and my ways but I would still love him nonless than the kids going with me.


People going to Hell will be just as happy as the people in heaven. And if you could take a person from Hell and place them in Heavan tehy would scream to go back. They would shory circut just like a battery.


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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3386026 - 11/19/04 09:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

if being in hell is just as good as heaven, than who gives a fuck about choosing one? i'm finding a hard time believing that, hell has got to be bad place.


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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3386070 - 11/19/04 09:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

...this thread is oozing with judgement...
reminds me of a book I once read...

"He had summed up--- he had judged...The
horror!"

"He must meet that truth with his own true stuff---with his own inborn
strength. Principles won't do. Acquisitions, clothes, pretty
rags---rags that would fly off at the first good shake. No; you want a
deliberate belief. An appeal to me in this fiendish row---is
there? Very well; I hear; I admit, but have a voice too, and for good
or evil mine is the voice that can not be silenced"


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Offlinezahudulallah
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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3386085 - 11/19/04 09:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Alot of your ideas though are your own assumptions. Do not be concerned with the salvation of others. It's like when someone famous dies, and someone calls in on Larry King Live and asks if that person was religious...everyone knows what those folks want to know.. "Gee, I wonder if he's saved!".. it's frankly useless and arrogant to no end.


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InvisibleFucknuckle
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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: JCoke]
    #3386099 - 11/19/04 09:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah after reading my post I kinda went a little over the top. What I mean is that bad people are bad and want nothing to do with Goodness. And once they make it to hell if you were to plunge them into heaven they would freak out. Just like a shorted battery. It would be painful

Goodness does not understand badness and badness does not understand goodness. You may as a Man understand them both but you choose one or the other.


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Offlinegnrm23
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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: Gomp]
    #3386105 - 11/19/04 09:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

haven't read every post in this thread, but...
it has been discussed many a time previously...

but from those reporting & recording NDEs:
from those who have been rescuscitated following attempted suicide, the incidence of extremely negative psychological states are routinely reported (cf. those who are revived following accidentally or illness-caused NDEs often report the classic "light at the end of the tunnel" & presence of unconditional love & awareness of dear departed gathered 'round, etc. --- see mooney, kubler-ross, etcetcetc...)



of course, NDEs are not death per se (obiously, heh), but data from "flatliners" is worth at least examining, no?


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Offlinezahudulallah
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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3386124 - 11/19/04 09:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)


You go to Hell! You go to Hell and you Die!


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Offlinezahudulallah
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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: gnrm23]
    #3386143 - 11/19/04 09:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting.. where's Markos when you need him.. this thread needs input.  :cool:


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InvisibleFucknuckle
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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3386165 - 11/19/04 09:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

zahudulallah said:

You go to Hell! You go to Hell and you Die!




Where is Sadamm when I need him

Oh yeah he is slutting with Satan :grin:


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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3386171 - 11/19/04 09:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

he's sitting in a jail cell right now.


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InvisibleFucknuckle
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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3386185 - 11/19/04 09:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

NO NO NO MAN LOL

I was making a South Park joke

Sadamm and Satan were an item on several shows

Very very funny stuff


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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3386196 - 11/19/04 09:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

:lol:

Remember Chris?


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InvisibleFucknuckle
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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3386237 - 11/19/04 09:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Jealous little bastard :lol:


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