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 Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!!  [Re: Fucknuckle]
#3385582 - 11/19/04 05:27 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fucknuckle said:
"A man does not give himself the gift of life so what right does he have to take it. NONE"
common man... can ye not see a flip side to ye argument ?
"A man did NOT CHOOSE to be here, hence he has every RIGHT to
leave" ... 
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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: lucid]
#3385620 - 11/19/04 05:35 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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lucid said:
1) Hell - eternal torment for a finite crime
(our lives are finite, what could one possibly do in a
finite ammount to time to justify eternal punishment ?
Does NOT sound very just to me
2) Do I have more compassion than God ? I would NOT create
beings, then give them the ability to do wrong and then fry
them for eternity in Hell... hmmmm... duh.... does this NOT
seem obvious to u folks out there ??!!
ETERNITY ?
You do not understand the reasons God gave us the Choice to do right or wrong and the rewards for such choices.
God created us with the ability to chose good or bad, love or hate, evil or not to be evil.
We are born with a choice. Without that choice we would just be a Dog or a horse.
God has made the path to him dificult for good reason. He wants us to be rewarded with ever lasting love and peace. It is up to us hwo we live that determines the path we go on on our after life.
GOD Does not put you in hell or condem you. YOU DO
And until a person can grasp that then he will alway be confused about such things.
Had God just made us perfect and our afterlife perfect then he may as well hang out with rocks
God loves us and wants a realationship with us so bad he made the world the way it is.
The choice to do right is everything and completely your choice not Gods.
He loves you perfectly
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What it is, is what it is my Brother.
It is as it is, so suffer thru it.
Edited by Fucknuckle (11/19/04 05:54 PM)
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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: Fucknuckle]
#3385679 - 11/19/04 05:47 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wouldn't mind being a rock  ...
"I am a rock,
I am Island"
and a rock feels no pain...
-Paul Simon
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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: lucid]
#3385707 - 11/19/04 05:53 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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LOL
Paul was talking about being full of Joy and being free from pain.
I.E. being filled with God
That is why Jesus was always called the Rock. Meaning that being filled with truth there is no storm that can shake you or break you.
 
But yeah I see the other side of the coin but I know the truth. I have seen it and touched it 
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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: Fucknuckle]
#3385820 - 11/19/04 06:16 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fucknuckle said:
There is a Hell!! as much as there is Positive and Negative forces.
What each person thinks Hell may be is up to each person.
Hell and Heaven both are very real. Every man will receive his rewards for his actions while living on earth.
Kinda like that SOB Arafat sending all those kids to a suicide death. He is getting his reward right now, Scumbag that he was.
Just chill out. God isn't a sadist. You are a fundamentalist Christian. Salvation isn't exclusive to your creed. Arafat, OBL, Bush, Sharon... they'll all be somewhat chastized for their sins before God assimilates them into His fullness.
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Just chill out. God isn't a sadist.
whew ... thanks for clearing that up ... 
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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: lucid]
#3385852 - 11/19/04 06:22 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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lucid said:
Quote:
zahudulallah said:
Just chill out. God isn't a sadist.
whew ... thanks for clearing that up ...
No problem. A sadistic God that damns unbelievers to eternity in Hell is in contradiction with al-Rahman al-Raheem (the Merciful the Compassionate).
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You have no idea what I am or my beliefs. You may have an idea, your close.
But Arafat was a asshole sorry 
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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: Fucknuckle]
#3385867 - 11/19/04 06:27 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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What the fuck does Arafat have to do with anything.
Your beliefs are so infantile and literal.
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No problem. A sadistic God that damns unbelievers to eternity in Hell is in contradiction with al-Rahman al-Raheem (the Merciful the Compassionate).
GOD condemns no one to hell. A Man condemns himself and that is the confusion I keep reading in here
Is it the Judge in court that condemns a child rapist to prison for the rest of his life or is the rapist?
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What the fuck does Arafat have to do with anything.
Nothing other than your display of his face.
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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: Fucknuckle]
#3385884 - 11/19/04 06:30 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Prison is being locked away from society. Hell is being seperated from Eternal Love - from GOD. Hell isn't unbearable torture as you seem to think it is.
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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: Fucknuckle]
#3385888 - 11/19/04 06:30 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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He's in my signature. So what?
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Quote:
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Prison is being locked away from society. Hell is being seperated from Eternal Love - from GOD. Hell isn't unbearable torture as you seem to think it is.
I never said Hell is unbearable torture. You quote me if you can. and after reading bible for 30 years I am hard pressed to find such a absolute description anywhere in it. Oh I have read that hell is a lake of fire and gnashing of teeth and such but that is a description of what it is like to be without GOD.
On the point of Arafat. He was a Pig and anyone who condones people walking into a dance club and blowing themselves up or walking into a city bus and killing children is a PIG and deserves many bad things. Hell only being one.
I never said I was a perfect God loving man. Only God can be perfect.
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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: Fucknuckle]
#3385917 - 11/19/04 06:39 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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if you did not know what Hell is?
could you still go there?
if you are in London, not knowing what London is, you would be i.e. somewhere? not in london?
Going to bed, this is going nowhere
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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: Fucknuckle]
#3385927 - 11/19/04 06:41 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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My apologies, I misunderstood you. That is quite an interesting take on it.. gnashing of the teeth from seperation of God. I personally believe those who do not find their way to God simply cease to exist after physical death - ie, spiritual death, the death of consciousness. "The wages of sin are death."
As for Arafat, I imagine he's in the same boat as Bush, Sharon, Pope Urban II, etc. Arafat had a rigid start in his career, but he cannot be compared to the likes of OBL or Sheikh Yassin. Who are you though to judge. He still had a conscious relationship with God. God watched little Yasser grow up like the rest of us. He may have to speak up in the end, then again maybe all of us will. Not condemned, but definately scheduled to be chastized.
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Quote:
zahudulallah said:
Prison is being locked away from society. Hell is being seperated from Eternal Love - from GOD. Hell isn't unbearable torture as you seem to think it is.
You don't get it do you?? How can pure love be in the same place as hate?
It can't. Just like you can't cross the terminals on your car battery. It will be destroyed.
Same reason why there is a hell. Do you think God will allow anything ather than Love to be in his presence? I don't think so
As I have said the truth is MAN condemns himself not God.
Man has the choice to be a kind and loving person. Man has the choice to believe that God loves him enough to make a home for him and a home for the hate and evil.
Where you end up is your choice not Gods. God had never condemned anyone to hell not ever. He loves all people and gives us the choice to love him.
LOL We all can't end up with god when we die. That is silly.
Why would Love want to mix hate? That would lead to destruction.
God want pure love and peace thru choice. That is how Heaven works.
Now I have no clue as to what exactly Hell or Heavan is other than one is opposite the other
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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: Fucknuckle]
#3385939 - 11/19/04 06:46 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is God a humanoid?
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Re: SUICIDE & HELL !!!!! [Re: Fucknuckle]
#3385942 - 11/19/04 06:47 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Fucknuckle said:
Quote:
zahudulallah said:
Prison is being locked away from society. Hell is being seperated from Eternal Love - from GOD. Hell isn't unbearable torture as you seem to think it is.
You don't get it do you?? How can pure love be in the same place as hate?
It can't. Just like you can't cross the terminals on your car battery. It will be destroyed.
Same reason why there is a hell. Do you think God will allow anything ather than Love to be in his presence? I don't think so
As I have said the truth is MAN condemns himself not God.
Man has the choice to be a kind and loving person. Man has the choice to believe that God loves him enough to make a home for him and a home for the hate and evil.
Where you end up is your choice not Gods. God had never condemned anyone to hell not ever. He loves all people and gives us the choice to love him.
LOL We all can't end up with god when we die. That is silly.
Why would Love want to mix hate? That would lead to destruction.
God want pure love and peace thru choice. That is how Heaven works.
Now I have no clue as to what exactly Hell or Heavan is other than one is opposite the other
People who don't love God simply disappear. They don't exist in any state after death. Such would contradict oneness.
And where are you getting all this hate stuff.
We're starting to look like a couple of puppets here...
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