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Offlineshr00m
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Re: suicide? [Re: Boppity604]
    #1659772 - 06/25/03 06:23 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

why believe in God :laugh:?


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InvisibleBoppity604
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Re: suicide? [Re: shr00m]
    #1659778 - 06/25/03 06:27 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

>>why believe in God?

Because I'm a priest?  Wouldn't make much sense being a priest if I didn't believe in God...right?  :wink:

Love & Light,

Boppity


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Re: suicide? [Re: Boppity604]
    #1659825 - 06/25/03 06:41 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

didnt know u were.
religion to me isnt wrong or anything. I just dont believe in it :laugh:


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Re: suicide? [Re: shr00m]
    #1659831 - 06/25/03 06:43 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

>>religion to me isnt wrong or anything. I just dont believe in it 

It's all good shr00m...we all have our own reality.  It's more important to be true to yourself than to worry about what other people think.  :smile:  And for those who care, my religion is Lukumi.  It's an Afro-Cuban religion that descends from the Yoruba of present-day Nigeria.  And no...don't assume because I'm on shroomery that my religious beliefs or practices have anything to do with psychedelics...they don't.  :smile:

Love & Light,

Boppity


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Re: suicide? [Re: Boppity604]
    #1659880 - 06/25/03 06:59 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

hey now :wink:

I dont associate everyone on shroomery that they do psychedelics.


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OfflineKenny Bus
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Re: suicide? [Re: Kenny Bus]
    #1660144 - 06/25/03 08:42 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

i feel nothing but sympathy for people who commit suicide, you may have guess i've been feeling suicidal lately, i used to say i would never do it, but things change, right now i've decided not to, but i go back and forth, doesnt look like i ever will tho. sometimes i believe people who have really crappy luck, like the guy who gets laid off and comes home to a dead family and an empty bank account, are paying for whatever wrongs they did in a past life, and they have to find they're way out of this hell, so it just gets worse and worse till they off themselves. thats the suicidal part of me talking obviously. but i'm agnostic, i have no firm beliefs. other times i think lifes a gift and should be appreciated, i think about the thousands of people that are worse off than me, and i think that i would realise what i've got till its gone. oh and for it being the easy way out, it may seam like its easier than facing your problems, but everybody has some satisfaction everyday, and they know what they're throwing away, i dont think theres anything easy about it.

sometimes i think the powers that be
are toying with me
keeping me on the edge, for eternity
it gets worse and worse
like my lifes been cursed
then i'll catch i tiny speck of hope
so i try to cope
for just anouther day
and when things feel like they're finally going my way
my blue skies turn grey
as the gods continue to play


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: suicide? [Re: Boppity604]
    #1660149 - 06/25/03 08:43 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Do yourself a favor Swami, stop making assumptions about people you've never met.

Dear Bop,

Don't go getting all defensive now. Absolutely no assumptions were made. All I said, and I will stick by it is: You cannot definitively know all your future states of mind. How many people vow to love another forever because that is their current mind state and later change?

I admire your perserverance through the tough times, but all you know is your mental states up to this point in time.



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Re: suicide? [Re: shr00m]
    #1660151 - 06/25/03 08:45 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Think of the people that are left behind when someone takes there own
life. Some people actually top themselves to hurt the ones that made them so sad and this leaves a lot of people behind saying I could have done more (and mabe they will next time). I think this is possibly selfish
but mabe good can come from it. Just dont do it we all pass away sooner or later.


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InvisibleDiploidM
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Re: suicide? [Re: Kenny Bus]
    #1660156 - 06/25/03 08:47 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I think people who are mentally all (or at least mostly) there should be allowed to end their life if they choose to. Of course this opens up a whole can of worms about what sanity is and where the line to insanity is.

-Diploid


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: suicide? [Re: Kenny Bus]
    #1660201 - 06/25/03 09:05 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I can honestly say I've never been so depressed that I've considered committing suicide. It just isn't an option for me because

1. I know that now matter how depressed I might be, things will always get better.

2. I could never do that to the people I love.

and

3. I'm too scared of death.

However, sometimes I think about what lies ahead of me in life, and I think I would rather die than have to face it all. I just don't want to live through certain things, especially the death of my parents. I'm so scared of having to go through this that I've thought about taking my own life before I have to watch theirs end.

I don't think I ever would, but thinking about things like these are the only times I've ever really thought about suicide. I do think, though, that if I ever get a certain terminal illness, or if I get to an age where I can no longer care for myself, I would rather just end my life.

anyway...

I LOVE LIFE. I LOVE LIVING. I AM SO THANKFUL THAT A RANDOM SPERM MET A RANDOM EGG AND CREATED ME. THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH WORDS TO DESCRIBE HOW MUCH I LOVE LIFE AND HOW THANKFUL I AM TO BE ALIVE.

Peace,

RebelSteve


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Re: suicide? [Re: Kenny Bus]
    #1660360 - 06/25/03 10:13 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

The game of life is hard to play
I'm gonna lose it anyway
The losing card I'll someday lay
so this is all I have to say:
that suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.

--Mike Altman

Well, my opinion is that the song oversimplifies it a bit :tongue:

Suicide is never painless, but I guess there are situations where it is less painful than the alternative. The "afterlife" (i.e. the world that continues to exist after the suicide) is of course the same, and yet again not, since a suicide has its own sorrows that other types of death don't have.

In most cases I think suicide is extremely wasteful, and that's a good enough reason to avoid recommending it.
 


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Re: suicide? [Re: Swami]
    #1660889 - 06/25/03 06:02 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Hi Swami,

>>You cannot definitively know all your future states of mind.

Ya...I'm sorry if that post seemed stand-off-ish.  I apologize about that.  :smile:  I understand your point and I do agree that nothing can remain constant and I'll be the first to admit that we cannot know anything until we're in the midst of the situation itself.  I guess I just took the post a little too personally than I should have...and for that I apologize to you.  I didn't mean to sound defensive.

Love & Light,

Boppity 


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InvisibleLallafa
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Re: suicide? [Re: Kenny Bus]
    #1661328 - 06/25/03 09:28 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

i


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Re: suicide? [Re: Lallafa]
    #1661435 - 06/25/03 10:02 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

While suicide is a choice, it isn't always the choice of a rational mind. I did mid-term paper on Euthanasia for an Applied Ethics class and I came to find that in a great majority of cases where people want to take their own life they are depressed. A person can not simply wake up and decide not to feel depressed, as a person can not simply wake up and decide they can run a marathon.

Both take hard work to achieve, and both cause major changes in the person who embarks on them. Giving up training for a marathon is much like giving up on life for a depressed person. In my opinion sucidide is rarely a rational choice that someone makes. More likely, suicide is an irrational action chosen by someone who honestly feels they have no choice left.


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Re: suicide? [Re: doody]
    #1661469 - 06/25/03 10:15 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

More likely, suicide is an irrational action chosen by someone who honestly feels they have no choice left.

This statement is contradictory. A person who has slowly and carefully reviewed all apparent options to relieve his/her pain and honestly feels that is the only choice left is not being irrational. Ignorant perhaps, of other avenues of help, but hardly irrational.



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Re: suicide? [Re: Swami]
    #1661537 - 06/25/03 10:43 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I didn't say anything about slowly and carefully reviewing all apparent options. I'm saying it's likely that the person feels as if they have no choice but to take their own life. By commiting suicide they are committing an irrational act. That's why it so vitally important to inform mental health counselers, parents, friends, etc. if someone seems to be at risk for suicide.


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Re: suicide? [Re: doody]
    #1662610 - 06/26/03 04:39 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

In all aspects suicideis a terrible way to die
But in the end some time we can control our destiny
Afterlife ? ill never know till i get there !!


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Re: suicide? [Re: MuShi_KiNg]
    #1662617 - 06/26/03 04:43 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

if i was going to be executed I would rather kill myself.


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Re: suicide? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1662630 - 06/26/03 04:47 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

i dont think i would have the guts to kill myslef


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Offlineatomikfunksoldier
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Re: suicide? [Re: MuShi_KiNg]
    #1662632 - 06/26/03 04:49 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

you dont need guts, in fact, taking a sword, plunging it in your chest, and slicing horizontaly will remove your guts.


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