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Re: suicide [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5617658 - 05/11/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I've had a couple "cry for help" moments, but I don't I was ever at a point where I was seriously going to go through with it.


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Re: suicide [Re: FungusMan]
    #5617675 - 05/11/06 03:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well first of all you can't find the ones you are looking for, because your enemy is hidden among the people you are NOT trying to kill.


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Re: suicide [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5617708 - 05/11/06 03:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Well first of all you can't find the ones you are looking for, because your enemy is hidden among the people you are NOT trying to kill.




Thats why you adapt theyre tactic and kill em all, let god sort em out. They "religously" think its ok to kill innocents as long as some of the enemy are injured, killed, or halted. But, your taking my posts off topic. I just said do something with your life OR death.


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Re: suicide [Re: FungusMan]
    #5617743 - 05/11/06 03:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Well first of all you can't find the ones you are looking for, because your enemy is hidden among the people you are NOT trying to kill.




Thats why you adapt theyre tactic and kill em all, let god sort em out. They "religously" think its ok to kill innocents as long as some of the enemy are injured, killed, or halted. But, your taking my posts off topic. I just said do something with your life OR death.




So the people of iraq first live years under a really opressive government, and just when they get some hope that things are going to be better when it settles down, americans kill them because of that same government??

Really, you blame them for terrorism, yet you would do the same to them?


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Re: suicide [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5617763 - 05/11/06 03:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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OldWoodSpecter said:
Well first of all you can't find the ones you are looking for, because your enemy is hidden among the people you are NOT trying to kill.





Thats why you adapt theyre tactic and kill em all, let god sort em out. They "religously" think its ok to kill innocents as long as some of the enemy are injured, killed, or halted. But, your taking my posts off topic. I just said do something with your life OR death.




So the people of iraq first live years under a really opressive government, and just when they get some hope that things are going to be better when it settles down, americans kill them because of that same government??

Really, you blame them for terrorism, yet you would do the same to them?


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Re: suicide [Re: FungusMan]
    #5617969 - 05/11/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It is off-topic, but you engaged him in the discussion, so I think you ought to take it to its conclusion. Don't weasel out of this, he raises a very good point.


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Re: suicide [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5618637 - 05/11/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, once, a few years ago when everything in my life was spinning completely out of control. Fortunately I failed, and I'm still here. I still thought about it afterwards, but I just couldn't do that to my parents.


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Re: suicide [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5618686 - 05/11/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You argue that the Iraqi's were living under a repressive government. We rid them of that, and all of the regimes he kept under his thumb start maiming and killing their own people, in the name of God. We caused MORE harm than we caused hope. Thats why the Iraqi civilians cheer when they see a downed chopper (thanks to www.ogrish.com for footage of said cheering)

Simply, I didn't "ENGAGE" anything. I simply said that if your gonna die by your own hands, do something productive with it. YOU engaged ME, about my views on things. But, your "arguing" with someone that says fuck the Geneva convention. Any other U.S. soldier that is/has been deployed there will say the same.

Why self detonate in an IRAQI crowd? Cause that takes the Terror aspect out of their control. Hell, we should take our captives and behead them poorly while we are at it. Anyway...lets stay away from politics and get back to "suicide" :smile:


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Re: suicide [Re: FungusMan]
    #5619287 - 05/11/06 10:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

if anybody feels sad or down, just pm me and maybe we can have talks maybe i can make you feel better


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Re: suicide [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5619827 - 05/12/06 12:44 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I think about it every day.

I have thought about it every day for years and years.

I would never do it, I just have a fascination with it.


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Re: suicide [Re: ReefeRnShroomS]
    #5619991 - 05/12/06 02:08 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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if anybody feels sad or down, just pm me and maybe we can have talks maybe i can make you feel better




That's really sweet, something practical as oposed to most philosophical bablings about how suicide is this or that..


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Re: suicide [Re: ReefeRnShroomS]
    #5620045 - 05/12/06 03:10 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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ReefeRnShroomS said:
if anybody feels sad or down, just pm me and maybe we can have talks maybe i can make you feel better




:thumbup:


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Re: suicide [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5620071 - 05/12/06 03:25 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

hmm, never done it, but thought about it...i still dont think thats negative or bad...
i like to ask my self "why?"...
i think the only situation i would commit a suicide is when the answer turns out to be "its so damn boring out here"...but that never happened...
i guess there is one more thing that can kill me, curiosity!
i dont know what comes after life, and i dont belive in any theories people say, and i SO WANT TO KNOW...and i belive only way i am going to find out is dying...
times i think about death is the times i realy feel alive...
i know if i decide to die i wont be afraid, i will yearn for death.
cuz if i am afraid than somethings wrong...its not how i want it to be...
oh well sorry for my bad english, just trying to share my thoughts, hope you understand...


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Re: suicide [Re: bugi_bi]
    #5620247 - 05/12/06 06:16 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I have thought about it briefly, without ever desiring actually doing it. At my most down, which isnt that far down, I thought about it, just to see if it seemed a little more inviting than usual, and if anything it seemed even less logical. I was down because I didnt have something, so I dont see how suicide would have helped that, if anything I wanted more life to try and get things back on track. However, I wasn't depressed or anything. Just my experience.

I have nothing against, and don't believe people who commit suicide are weak or cowards or stupid. I am just sadenned that people can go so low emotionally.


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Re: suicide [Re: soulcircus]
    #5620332 - 05/12/06 08:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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i was seriously close, i didnt because one day feeling so depressed, teh kind that makes your stomahc wretch and twist and your head kill and you don't know wheather you can go on for another few minutes, i just prayed, i just prayed that if god would listen could he show me that there is something to live for, something so amazing about life i havn't discovered and want to explore, after that prayer i just lay in bed cos i couldn't sleep, and then i became paralysed, and the most intense experience iv ever had happened, whereby after realising i was expereinceing hullucinations and this intense surge of electricity inside of me, i realised this is the stage before astral projection which iv always researched but nevr thought possible. I then controlled myself and entered the atral plane, into a new dimension, unbelievable. God truly had given me a reason to survive i was instantly cured knowing there was more to life than i could possibly know at the time, and i had my whole life to enjoy, its not just some thing we do and when we find out what were just doing there's no point, there's a whole lot more to discover and a huge journey, and you realize, so what to anything, i can enjoy it because i can, and if I'm enjoying things, so what its fun, id rather be having a mad time enjoying the beauty and intricacy of the world, than anything else, because i can.

and no matter how far down into that hole you are that easy to sink into world, remember you can always get out of it, always, and "will" be fine.

if you are on your last legs and don't even believe this, have a go at smoking nn-DMT - and realise, it doesn't matter whats going on, i can always be happy, after a dmt trip i assure you you iwll feel the happiest you've felt in your life for at least 20minutes. its been known to cure the suicidally depressed.




...this is all assuming your contemplating and not just asking...




Thank you for making that post.

All I can think of today, is that shot of Morphine I got when had surgery done on my knee..


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Re: suicide [Re: Gomp]
    #5620723 - 05/12/06 10:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

not yet
quite a few interesting waveforms to resonate with that are not terminal,
but the issue always has 2 sides and should be undecideable.

undecideability rocks


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Re: suicide [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5620844 - 05/12/06 11:25 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Death is the end for the human form and most likely for the personality construct also. This is a big deal for the personality. Instinctual drives push for survival at any cost. It amazes me that some people can override this to kill themselves. People often say it's the cowards way out. I think for myself it would take some courage to do myself in, even if I was in great pain. My personality doesn't want to admit that it could be over, ever. (Death will happen of course but never now.)Some people say it's so selfish to the living. But to me that's backwards and the living are so selfish that they don't want others to be free to choose their path. (There's that selfish personality structure at work). People who say I wanted to but couldn't because of what it would do to my mother, dishonor and dis empower themselves IMO. Mother must learn to cope with life and death and if she can't then that could be her personal fear of her own death.

Whether one kills oneself or not one day the self will die and at some future point, a day or a million years, no one will know that you ever lived. The whole thing seems moot.


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Re: suicide [Re: Icelander]
    #5620994 - 05/12/06 11:55 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

there is more to it than not being brave enough
it is terminal

a terminal act.

an effort to be finite
an over emphasis on the value of decision.

what's bravery got to do with it afterwards in any case?
will skilled and gorgeous sexy women come to congratulate you ecstatically with shining elixirs and deep penetration as reward for your bravery after that?

i think not.

there is no reason to insinuate bravery into this, one earns no spoils - possibly you are confusing it with self sacrifice in which you give up you life to fix the dilithium crystals and save the whole enterprise. (no sex and drugs but a long future of music is ensured for somebody at least)

it is a disfunction of thought that connects to dysfunction of language and in turn to dysfunction of all of society that is overly focussed on reducing the living into paper trails.

pick A or B. decide....
I chose undecidability.
especially in this arena.
otherwise coke
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Re: suicide [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5621032 - 05/12/06 12:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I disagree and I'm not talking about someone thinking I'm brave or anything like that. I'm talking about going against one of the most powerful drives that any living organism has. The SURVIVAL INSTINCT Not many other animals will kill themselves even when in pain. It's not so easy to override this instinct if I use myself as proof.

It would be a great challenge for me even if I thought life not worth living.


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Re: suicide [Re: Icelander]
    #5621146 - 05/12/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

again I must emphasise you are confusing the obvious alarm about confronting a very stupid and destructive act (that may be connected to instinctual drives as well) with some obscure (and mistaken) challenge to bravery.

is there a venn diagramme in you head that puts all instinctual drives in a single category must be brave and must oppose this?


I have heard distinctions made between saving one's own life vs. caring for others. there is no simple distinction, disrespect of life is hugely inappropriate, and all the arguments and challenges that drive one there need to be countered with undecidibility, deconstruct them, atomatize their premises and reintegrate the remains.
get stoned drop out tune in....


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