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Basilides
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Re: Suicide Bombers and Other Mystics - A Critique [Re: Diploid]
#5721339 - 06/06/06 11:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Diploid said: A suicide bomber may have a belief in God. It basically ends there as a cognitive distortion (willfully perverting a consistent mythology). As far as I can see, their conception of God lays around the bottom of the barrell as far as primitive, mypoic attempts to understand a universal archetype goes.
Are you aware that Suicide Bombers say the same thing about you and they are just as credible?
How are your beliefs any different than a suicide bomber? After all, I'm sure you share some beliefs with at least one suicide bomber who came and went. Who knows what kind of people these are. Maybe you and a few bombers of recent times shared a similar belief in respect to economics, social manners, what constitutes good hygeine..Who knows.
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Edited by Basilides (06/07/06 12:15 AM)
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gettinjiggywithit
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Re: Suicide Bombers and Other Mystics - A Critique [Re: niteowl]
#5721383 - 06/07/06 12:08 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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niteowl said: So your claiming all religious people to be mystics?

Get over yourself already.
From my experience and observations a mystic is one who has shed their religious dogma and found their own path to "god".
With this definition any person quoting from any religious text/dogma.....can't be a "mystic"
Now, if your going to label anyone who doesn't agree with your POV a mystic...then I guess you're right...everyone's a mystic except you 
Worse is, its seems like he is saying anything that falls under any one of the myriad of mystical definitions is following the doctrines of a religious faith. 
Thats just funny. I ran the other way from the Catholic Churches dogmatic nonsense as soon as I was old enough too. Most of my spiritually aware friends, (people dip would call mystics) oddly are EX Catholics too. One thing we all have in common is exactly what you said niteowl.
We were put off by the dogma and sought our own ways to live a better life based on our own personal preferences and what felt right and true and or works for us as individuals.
At another forum I participate in, we are always independently changing, and re-modifying our understanding of the big picture. We like to come together to compare notes , pick up tips to try out, relate, entertain differing views and insights, yet ultimately, we choose and decide for ourselves what or what not to believe in and respect our differences most of the time.
Every now and then someone will get a wild hair up their ass and tell someone their idea is horse shit and then they calm down and realize, their behavior was that of an ass, and then everyone laughs, loves and forgives and lives quite peacefully in respect of differing views, together again.
There is a core foundation that allows for it to be so year after year there. We all practice, understanding and forgiveness best we can not because it is the right or morally correct thing to do. We do it because it feels good and more freeing to do it.
FG, I think you called it when you said an arbitrary word like "mystic" was used to vent anger and frustration at Catholics and "others" who practice dogma that teaches one to murder strangers, so they can get laid by ghosts, and earn their family some pay to live on, for doing the job.
And you are right, this thread is a waste of my time too. Most of the "mystics" here will never be the dogmatic, anti science Catholics fearing eternal damnation and some neurotic, jealous vengeful god OR become suicide bombers for Allah as dip imagines them to be. And Dip as of now, isn't showwing signs of bothering to work at understanding that.
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Re: Suicide Bombers and Other Mystics - A Critique [Re: Basilides]
#5721386 - 06/07/06 12:09 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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How are your beliefs any different than a suicide bomber?
Do my beliefs have bearing on the truth/falsity of what I've been saying?
If I'm a hypocrite and behave like a Suicide Bomber, does that behavior change the truth/falsity of the things I am saying?
If I say the sky is blue, does the truth of that statement hinge on me or my beliefs?
It's amazing to me that in a philosophy forum people are so oblivious to the principles of philosophical discussion and so continually harp on my character rather than confine the discussion to the topic at hand that it makes constructive debate nearly impossible. This even from long-time members who should know better and even though I've spelled it out at least four times so far in this in this thread alone.
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Basilides
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Re: Suicide Bombers and Other Mystics - A Critique [Re: Diploid]
#5721405 - 06/07/06 12:17 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sorry, presenting a field of straws is hardly savvy philosophical debate.
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Re: Suicide Bombers and Other Mystics - A Critique [Re: Diploid]
#5721424 - 06/07/06 12:20 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Arn't you doing the same thing by getting into personalisms saying people at a philosophy forum don't know how to have a philosophical debate? That's a personalism.
And, I think people are still trying to figure out what it is you think is being discussed/debated if not the proposal that suicide bombers think just like mystics.
Everyone is telling you that it is a laughable statement, and so we don't know what is here to take seriously to discuss and debate other then why you think that way.
I'll ask you again, what are we suppose to be discussing here?
You seem to just want people to agree with you that all mystics are suicide bombers and Catholics.
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Re: Suicide Bombers and Other Mystics - A Critique [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#5721520 - 06/07/06 12:40 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have an idea that may help you understand others diploid.
How bout I put up a post that says
Child Rapists and other Scientists- A Critique
Child rapists believe a larger body of mass can be forced into a smaller body of mass.
Scientist believe this too.
A child rapist believes that when it gets an idea for a new possibility, it should first work it out in theory and if that works, it should test it out for real next.
A scientist believes that too.
A child rapist believes it has its rights to impose its will unto experimenting with smaller and helpless life forms.
Scientists believe that too.
End example post.
You get the idea. Sometimes, the only way we can understand another is to be put in their shoes. Can you maybe see why people are calling your post strawman now?
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Re: Suicide Bombers and Other Mystics - A Critique *DELETED* [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#5723367 - 06/07/06 04:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Xanthas
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Re: Suicide Bombers and Other Mystics - A Critique [Re: soulcircus]
#5723411 - 06/07/06 04:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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soulcircus said: i've astrally projected, and ill answer any question appropriatly
To the left of my keyboard, on a small shelf, there is a stack of CD's. Upon those CD's there are number of objects. Describe them.
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Re: Suicide Bombers and Other Mystics - A Critique [Re: Xanthas]
#5723565 - 06/07/06 04:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, he never declared that he was able to view objects in physical reality... He also stated that he would answer any question anyone might have, but you never posed a question. 

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Re: Suicide Bombers and Other Mystics - A Critique [Re: fireworks_god]
#5723626 - 06/07/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just thought it was somewhat humerous. Nothing really to fit into the discussion.
Question is, then, what is on that CD stack?
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Re: Suicide Bombers and Other Mystics - A Critique [Re: Xanthas]
#5723666 - 06/07/06 05:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'll have an answer when I fly an airplane into your home, and then search the rubble. 
 Peace.
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