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OfflineMushroomTrip
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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9043759 - 10/07/08 05:37 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Still waiting for you to show the sleep deprivation - clinical depression link. :popcorn:


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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9043793 - 10/07/08 05:44 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
In summation, it takes more energy to create a happy thought than a negative thought. Energy = calories. Therefore obese people are...?




Not quite. It takes more energy to move from one state to another. So if you want to make a move physically or mentally it helps to feel good physically and have energy. IMO Obese people are often depressed.


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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #9043798 - 10/07/08 05:45 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.webmd.com/news/19991116/benefits-sleep-deprivation-depression

Sleep deprivation temporarily having an antidepressant effect.


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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #9043800 - 10/07/08 05:45 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

One of the symptoms of depression is a change in sleep patterns...either sleeping too much or not sleeping enough.  It does not seem that sleep deprivation causes depression.


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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #9043825 - 10/07/08 05:48 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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MushroomTrip said:
Still waiting for you to show the sleep deprivation - clinical depression link. :popcorn:




He went way past the Icelander rule long ago.:shrug: Don't expect it now.


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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: Icelander]
    #9043832 - 10/07/08 05:50 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Will the butter in MT's popcorn make her depressed?


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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: Icelander]
    #9043858 - 10/07/08 05:56 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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He went way past the Icelander rule long ago




I am just a rebel. :pirate:


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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9043879 - 10/07/08 06:02 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Will the butter in MT's popcorn make her depressed?





I doubt it.


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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: Icelander]
    #9043902 - 10/07/08 06:07 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

What about your stance on fatty acids? (I prefer skinny LSD.)


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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9043932 - 10/07/08 06:13 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Balance


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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: Icelander]
    #9043946 - 10/07/08 06:16 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I do balance. I eat a pound of butter AND a pint of virgin olive oil every day.


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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9043954 - 10/07/08 06:19 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

And see, you're not depressive. You just play one on TV.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: Icelander]
    #9043965 - 10/07/08 06:20 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

And you are not really as mean as a rattlesnake. You just want people to believe that.


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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9044025 - 10/07/08 06:30 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

True, I'm not really mean, I'm disappointed.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #9044515 - 10/07/08 07:52 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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johnm214 said:


That the methods were bad or the conclusions unsound?  The evidence made up?




The evidence is highly biased. Given the extremely large volume of clinical and experimental data that exists, it is easy to find support for a particular opinion. I could easily pop a hundred articles out of a search engine that disprove this articles position. Most honest psychiatrists and psychologists have given up on this approach. If a person wants to make the broad claim that CBT is not effective, they're going to need to provide a meta-analysis with a humongous sample to prove this.

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Are you saying that "industry" pays for every article in that journal?  I don't know what your point is as to this specific article.  Nobody cares about the journal.




Most of the psychiatrists working for the APA also work for pharmaceutical companies. If CBT is a better treatment for depression than medications, they lose funding.







The publishers did not work for the APA, and they were not funded by industry in this case.  If they are funded by industry then provide evidence of such.

This study was done with a government grant. 


Did this article state a "broad claim that CBT" was ineffective?  I don't think they did.  I also don't think you've provided any points disputing this article beyond a general rebellion against perceived improprieties you can't demonstrate.


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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #9044525 - 10/07/08 07:53 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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MushroomTrip said:
Still waiting for you to show the sleep deprivation - clinical depression link. :popcorn:




      Sleep deprivation in depression: what do we know, where do we go? .

      Biological Psychiatry , Volume 46 , Issue 4 , Pages 445 - 453

      A . Wirz-Justice

Abstract: http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0006322399001250



Been my understanding that sleep deprivation probides temporary alleviation of depressive symptoms.


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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #9044890 - 10/07/08 08:54 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Whats wrong with suicide?

You wake up in pellican bay, and i woop your ass.


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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: psikooz]
    #9044933 - 10/07/08 09:00 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

the only way to post in P&S is to just state your opinion and NEVER LOOK BACK. just let it go... it's easy... never reply, never check back. like suicide - it takes determination and will power.

break on through to the other side :hippie:


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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: johnm214]
    #9045365 - 10/07/08 10:14 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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johnm214 said:
Quote:

MushmanTheManic said:
Quote:

johnm214 said:


That the methods were bad or the conclusions unsound?  The evidence made up?




The evidence is highly biased. Given the extremely large volume of clinical and experimental data that exists, it is easy to find support for a particular opinion. I could easily pop a hundred articles out of a search engine that disprove this articles position. Most honest psychiatrists and psychologists have given up on this approach. If a person wants to make the broad claim that CBT is not effective, they're going to need to provide a meta-analysis with a humongous sample to prove this.

Quote:

Are you saying that "industry" pays for every article in that journal?  I don't know what your point is as to this specific article.  Nobody cares about the journal.




Most of the psychiatrists working for the APA also work for pharmaceutical companies. If CBT is a better treatment for depression than medications, they lose funding.







The publishers did not work for the APA, and they were not funded by industry in this case.  If they are funded by industry then provide evidence of such.

This study was done with a government grant. 


Did this article state a "broad claim that CBT" was ineffective?  I don't think they did.  I also don't think you've provided any points disputing this article beyond a general rebellion against perceived improprieties you can't demonstrate.




The publishers are members of the APA, plus they work for the Black Dog Institute, which is funded by Pfizer and Eli Lilly.


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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #9047198 - 10/08/08 11:23 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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b0red5tiff said:
the only way to post in P&S is to just state your opinion and NEVER LOOK BACK. just let it go... it's easy... never reply, never check back. like suicide - it takes determination and will power.

break on through to the other side :hippie:




Especially helpful if you have no evidence to back your post.:lol:


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