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Re: A personal experiment....ON - Can you become a homosexual? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #11079190 - 09/17/09 09:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Shoo little doggy, shoo.

Run along now, pup.

Go on, giddy.

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If my question did not remain, you would not be reading this.

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Re: A personal experiment....ON - Can you become a homosexual? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #11079832 - 09/17/09 10:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I knew at an early age that I was interested in having sex with the same gender.I have done all the soul searching I can and have come to the conclusion that sex is a secondary thing for me.I could have sex with a female just as easily as a male,I just happen to be more interested in the male sex for now.If the right female came along and piqued my interest,I would consider having sex with her.

The mental attraction is the most interesting thing to me.I have to have a certain degree of intelligence present to even consider the sex.I guess I am what people would call bisexual.I can find the sexual attraction in people of any gender.I just try not to use the labels that society wants to impose upon us.It is impossible to do so,so I say I am gay to appease whoever asks.I said this another thread,all the looks will go one day.All you will be left with is your mind.You will want to connect with people on this level before anything else in life because that is all you will have one day,your memories and mind.

There is also the ability of being able to totally disconnect emotions of jealousy,or other emotions that can complicate a relationship of any kind.I am able to just enjoy the act of sex for exactly what it is and nothing more,a release of energy,or primal need so to speak.Sometimes people get so wrapped up in their emotions that they do not realize the damage it can cause a relationship.I feel that you have to let things go at times that some people would consider a serious matter detrimental to their relationship.I sincerely hope I am making sense here,do I digress?:confused:


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Re: A personal experiment....ON - Can you become a homosexual? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #11080027 - 09/17/09 11:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I agree, but the topic surrounded around hidden desires, due to societal roles and mental projections.

Can you think about that and write something about it?

Yes personality is crucial when it comes to sex. It is what makes the bodies beauty seem ridiculously palatable.

Not to mention the stability emotionally that comes from a compatable relationship.

Labels, are useless to me, because they presume a specific set of goals that I do not have.

Those lables would only be useful in circumstances where I am presented with a question such as; if you want to move to a city that is predominantly women or male, which would you choose? Realisitically it does not even hold strength in that question because cities are packed with both. I guesse if you were wondering which night club to go to, it would be beneficial to ask if you are gay or straight, because you can hardly find clubs with both...

However, since my goals do not coalesce with going to night clubs to find a one night sex drama, then that question is useless and so would any conclusion that labels me gay or straight.

More useful questions would be; what type of personality to I enjoy best? What is personality? How would I approach someone I am interested in having sex with, with the issue? What do they think about mairrage and what are their lifestyle preferences(food, drug and work)? Where would be the best place to find people like this?

Yeah.

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Re: A personal experiment....ON - Can you become a homosexual? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #11080078 - 09/17/09 11:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Here is a paper I wrote for English class.:grin:

Homosexuality: Is It a Choice?

10 July 2008


Abstract
Homosexuality can be traced through ancient literature and references. The attitudes of society have varied from very accepting to the extremely negative. There has been extensive research done on the cause of same sex attraction. Take into consideration the role the media plays in the presentation of homosexual people. There are some groups and individuals that have an extremely negative view of homosexuality. There are others that view homosexuality to be a natural selection in nature. The controversy surrounding this subject will last for years to come.


Homosexuality: Is It a Choice?
Thousands of years ago in ancient Greece and Rome, there were not any words to describe same sex attraction. Some of the greatest philosophers to have ever lived, including Plato, wrote of “sexual relationships between men” (Mondimore, 1996, p. 4). In certain cultures it was a coming of age, a rite of passage for the men of that time. All ranks of society were involved in this practice (Mondimore, 1996, p. 4). Things have changed since then. Homosexuals today face intense prejudice, bigotry, and hatred.
The first European missionaries and explorers in North America observed same-sex relationships in Native American people. The French explorers used the name “berdache” to describe men who took on the traditional female role. They used the same name for the women who took on the traditional male role. These people were integrated and accepted as part of their society. There was not any hatred, fear, or prejudice toward them. They were held in very high regards by the groups that condoned them (Mondimore, 1996, p. 11).

Why is it that gay people are hated and reviled so much in modern times? There are common passages found in the Bible which are used to condemn homosexuality. Religious groups and individuals have been theorizing about what the Bible says for years. Most of the fundamentalist Christian groups say being gay is a sin. This is justified by their interpretation of passages from the Bible. The passages from these texts can be open for elucidation. There are words that may have been interpreted the wrong way. These words may have been taken out of context to validate someone’s own feelings of intolerance. This essentially could be called “homophobia.”

“Homophobia” refers to the fear of homosexuals. According to Gary E. Doupe: Many Christian conservatives have said, regarding homosexuals: “I can accept the sinner but not the sin; for God gives homosexuals the power to be ‘healed’--that is, the power to be changed into heterosexuals. “And if they cannot accept that, they have the option to remain celibate.” This position hardly rests on firm ground. Not only is its basis in Scripture highly questionable, but its connection to the love of Christ is difficult to fathom. What is demanded in the guise of ‘healing’ is nothing less than a massive denial of the structures of feeling and identity that is most integral to the personalities of gays, lesbians, and bisexuals. Because of the prejudice and discrimination they have experienced, most gay, lesbian, and bisexual people clearly would not have chosen that identity had there been a real choice open to them. (Blumenfeld, 1992, p. 191)
The Bible is open for analysis.

For example, if one looks at the meaning of a passage in Genesis 19; “the sodomites’ ” insisted they wanted “to ‘know’ the angels” (Fone, 2000, p. 77). The verb to “know” should be looked at more closely. According to Byrne Fone, “in the Hebrew text the verb is yadha. Yadha appears some nine-hundred times in the Old Testament” (Fone, 2000, p. 77). This word “almost always… means ‘to become acquainted with’  ” (Fone, 2000, p. 77). The translation of this word has been identified as an “implication of carnal knowledge, or…‘to have intercourse with’ or ‘to abuse’ ” (Fone, 2000, p. 77). Even though the word “yadha” has implications of sex, it has always been in reference to sex between a man and a woman (Fone, 2000, p. 78). There is no doubt that a great majority of people discovering they have feelings of same-sex desire often struggle with guilt and fear. Because of today’s interpretations of these passages, there are many people who try to “correct” or “fix” their sexual identity.


There are several psychologists, individuals, and groups of people that still believe being gay is a mental disorder or a choice. They assign or suggest treatments or “reparative therapy” to the gay person. The APA has issued statements rejecting the use of any treatments designed to change ones sexual identity (Bane, 2007, p. 2). These therapies have made people feel worse, or not cured them at all. Some negative aspects of these therapies can be linked to teen suicides. The stress of not being able to come out or talk about feelings of same-sex attraction can be related to the mainstream idea that same-sex attraction is wrong. “In a study involving over 6,000 adolescent girls and over 5,000 adolescent boys” it was concluded those that are gay are “more than twice as likely to attempt suicide” (Li Kitts, 2005, p. 3). This brings the question to light of how many attempts at suicide, or successful suicides take place without knowledge of sexual orientation.


Moving on to the healthcare field, there has been a study done recently at Massey University in Auckland, New Zealand. It has been revealed that if a healthcare provider assumes the patient is gay and is not comfortable with it, that assumption can have a negative effect on the patients’ recovery (Sexuality Impacts, 2006, p. 1-2). The patient is uncomfortable if the healthcare provider is. This affects the patients’ obedience “to treatment regimes” (Sexuality Impacts, 2006, p. 2). It is a shame that gay people cannot feel comfortable with their own physicians. What is needed is more research on the proof that humans are born gay. More evidence will educate people and eradicate the fear homosexuality. There is concrete evidence of same-sex relationships within other groups of mammals.


There has been extensive research in the animal kingdom on the subject of same-sex relationships. Charles Roselli is a physiologist at Oregon Health and Science University. He has concluded through research “that male sheep exhibit homosexuality at least as often as humans: roughly 8% of rams turn out to have sex exclusively with other rams” (Cloud, 2007, p. 2). He has also discovered “that gay rams have different brain structures from heterosexual ones” (Cloud, 2007, p. 2). This could lead to biologically concrete evidence in humans. Solid evidence is what the gay community needs to help solidify acceptance within society.

  Another example of possible biological proof that people are born gay is something called “gaydar” (pronounced like radar). William Lee Adams is a student conducting studies at Harvard College. He has been doing research on what is called “gaydar” in both men and women. When test subjects were observed in “neck-up photos and videos, without jewelry or makeup” (Lawson, 2005, p. 1) Adams found gay people make the most positive identification of other gays. Adams is quoted as saying, “ ‘gays often face isolation, depression and anxiety… Maybe gaydar is a coping mechanism’ ” (Lawson, 2005, p. 2).

The term “gaydar” has only been around for a short time. There is no evidence of history on the term “gaydar”. This is obviously a term invented by the gay community to let other people know when they sense another gay person’s presence.
In other colleges and universities, there seems to be a complacent attitude among young adults about important issues pertaining to gay people. In “a queer studies course at California State University at Northridge,” (Hall, 2006, p. 1) the teacher has noticed this complacency among gay students concerning gay marriage and AIDS. He attributes this to the students being exposed to openly gay characters on television and exposure to gay issues in the news media. The students dangerously perceive AIDS as a manageable disease with medication. Some students also believe the laws on gay marriage will come to fruition without participation (Hall, 2006, p. 2). College age people seem to be more complacent about these subjects.

In contrast, what do the young adults in the military think about homosexuality? What does the military institution itself declare about homosexuality?
Take a look at the military point of view on gays. “The Pentagon has reclassified homosexuality, grouping it with ‘conditions, circumstances, and defects’ ” (Rosenburg, 2006, p.
1). Some of these defects are listed as “allergies to uniforms, repeated bed-wetting, sleepwalking, dyslexia,” and “obesity” (Rosenburg, 2006, p. 2). The APA (American Psychiatric Association) stopped the classification of homosexuality as a disorder in 1973 (Rosenburg, 2006, p. 1). This also makes acceptance even more difficult for gay people in the military. In the British military gay people openly serve. The ban on gay people has been lifted there in 2000 and it has shown great success. “In a recent Zogby poll of troops who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, 73% said they are comfortable in the presence of gays.

U.S public opinion is also solidly behind the idea of gays serving openly” (Old Prejudice, 2007, p. 1). It is also stated that “gays serve openly in the military in 23 of 26 NATO countries, the United States, Turkey, and Portugal are the exceptions” (Old Prejudice, 2007, p. 1).
Moving along to televisions role in the acceptance of gays in society; gay characters have been utilized more since the “Stonewall Riots in June 1969” (Highleyman, 2007, p. 1). In 1971 a character (“Archie Bunker”) on the television show “All in the Family” dealt with emotional stress and other issues when he learns “an old drinking buddy, a former pro football player, was gay” (Highleyman, 2007, p. 1-2). At the time “then-President Richard Nixon…” was quoted as saying, “ ‘Goddamnit, I don’t think you glorify [homosexuality] on public television’ ” (Highleyman, 2007, p.  2). Television programs have come a long way since then, but some of the public attitudes have not. Cable television shows seem to be the forerunners of gay issues. This is apparent from the shows that are run on cable TV.


The people who remain intolerant of gays, including the U.S. President (past and present) and Congressional leaders, continue to fuel populist’s fears. As more people come out publicly and gain more political power, there will be more acceptance and tolerance. There are more hypocrites being exposed by the news media as well. Take for example, Congressman Mark Foley. The Congressman was involved with propositioning some of his male pages for sex with instant messages (Sullivan, 2006, p. 3). He was also in the closet about his homosexuality. The need to remain in the closet is becoming less necessary. It should never have been a necessity.


With the media characterizations of gay people on television and cable; it would seem as though there is more acceptance by society. “There remains severe social stigma attached to living as an openly queer person in many parts of this country” (Van Buskirk, 2005, p. 1). The loss of “their jobs, their families, and even their lives” (Van Buskirk, 2005, p. 1) continue as some of the problems. Hate is a breeding ground for the harassment and murder of gay people.


There seems to be an acceptance of “ ‘straight acting’ ” gay people. These “SAGs” are men that are gay but not effeminate and women that are gay but not masculine. These people seem to be more socially acceptable. The ridicule of effeminacy in men and masculinity in women is an issue that needs to be addressed. Gay men and women should not have to bargain his or her behavior to be more socially acceptable. For someone to say a person is “ ‘straight acting’… just pits one stereotype against another” (Rice, 2006, p. 1). Accepting diversity within other people is vital to keeping peace within society. 
Concluding with a survey on the acceptance of gay people in society in general, a census by “The American Community Survey” has shown a thirty percent increase in “same-sex couples” from the year 2000-2005. The numbers are 600,000 - 777,000 respectively (Out and


Proud Parents, 2007, p. 2). “The American Community Survey” is a survey “in which the Census 
Bureau quizzes a statistically representative sample of 1.4m households” (Out and Proud Parents, 2007, p. 2).  There is also data that shows fifty-seven percent of the people surveyed approve of gays in society; in 1982 it was thirty-four percent (Out and Proud Parents, 2007, p. 1).  Out of all the people surveyed, seventy-five percent of eighteen to thirty-four year olds approve of gays.


Half of the people above the age of fifty-five do not approve of gays (Out and Proud Parents, 2007, p. 1).
As always, the youth are the ones that seem to be the most flexible in the way they 
perceive things. When some people age, they sometimes forget what it was like to be open in the
way they thought about things. Change is inevitable and it cannot be avoided. Once people learn to embrace diversity without fear we will see a more peaceful way of living. Only through accepting change can we learn. The more knowledge one has about life, the better life can be. Knowledge is infinite. It seems as though the younger generation will improve things for the gay community. In fact, this will be an improvement for society as a whole.


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Re: A personal experiment....ON - Can you become a homosexual? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #11080320 - 09/18/09 12:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Its arite. It exposes alot of serious problems and social interactions of our society, in this context.

Judging from my own observations, there is a big discrepency surrounding what it is to accept something.

To many, accepting something in a person is knowing that these people have a right to act in such a way, feel such things and think such things. However, there comes a big problem when people who accept it, do not approach it with the same vigor and openess as they would the latter. To me this type of acceptances resembles more of a tolerance, not of an accepting embrace. I see this happening on both sides of the sexual spectrum, due to various ideas that do not need changing.

I have encountered many people who accept it, in the context of rights and freedoms. This in itself shows a huge limitation. There are not many words for this type of thing I am talking about. I find it hard to explain and I would imagine that you will most likeley not experience the same realization I am trying to convey....


Anyways, what of the topic? Can your perception/experience affect your sexual preference or is it purely a genetic question or is it a mix of both?

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Re: A personal experiment....ON - Can you become a homosexual? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #11080447 - 09/18/09 12:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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AlphaFalfa said:
Its arite. It exposes alot of serious problems and social interactions of our society, in this context.

Judging from my own observations, there is a big discrepancy surrounding what it is to accept something.

To many, accepting something in a person is knowing that these people have a right to act in such a way, feel such things and think such things. However, there comes a big problem when people who accept it, do not approach it with the same vigor and openness as heterosexuality. To me this type of acceptances resembles more of a tolerance, not of an accepting embrace.

I have encountered many people who accept it, in the context of rights and freedoms. This in itself shows a huge limitation. There are not many words for this type of thing I am talking about. I find it hard to explain and I would imagine that you will most likely not experience the same realization I am trying to convey....


Anyways, what of the topic? Can your perception/experience affect your sexual preference or is it purely a genetic question or is it a mix of both?

:rockon:





I completely understand about the acceptance verses tolerance idea that you speak of.I have lived it for 44 years.It has come down to the question of genetics for me,and I have accepted the fact that it is indeed  genetic.I have a strong desire to have sex with the same gender.My experience with the society in which I/we/you live did have an effect on me for a while,so I dated women and claimed to be straight to avoid any confrontations.

The desire was just too strong for me to ignore,so I acted on it.Many people feel this way and do not act on these desires.Some people have great stress and mental anguish about it.I then realized that there is nothing wrong with it.Then upon further investigation and living my life,I found that there people that will accept/embrace it almost as much as you do but not many,and then there are the ones that just tolerate it to different degrees.I feel as though I do understand the feeling you are trying to convey here.:grin:

I got an A- on that paper by the way.My teacher was a self proclaimed southern baptist and would somehow incorporate scripture in her lectures.I wrote the paper to see her reaction and to research a little more into the subject.


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Re: A personal experiment....ON - Can you become a homosexual? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #11080743 - 09/18/09 01:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

if it wasnt for the formalities of everyday societies that women must be the only option due to their reproductive organs being the exact opposite of males and having the parts fit, i believe that we would act upon urges of a sexual nature towards the same sex.
looking at everyday life, its hard to say that there are no attractions to the same sex. some people are just damn sexy no matter what sex they are, its  a fact of life.

for example, lions, these are very ferocious animals, yet at times they seem so peacefully elegant and beautiful, and its very hard to tell that they will eat you if you have only seen pictures..

i also dont think it makes you a homosexual if you have sexual urges towards the same sex, only if you act upon them do you truely differ from being straight


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Re: A personal experiment....ON - Can you become a homosexual? [Re: Kanye.Eastwood]
    #11082000 - 09/18/09 08:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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if it wasnt for the formalities of everyday societies that women must be the only option due to their reproductive organs being the exact opposite of males and having the parts fit, i believe that we would act upon urges of a sexual nature towards the same sex.
looking at everyday life, its hard to say that there are no attractions to the same sex. some people are just damn sexy no matter what sex they are, its  a fact of life.

for example, lions, these are very ferocious animals, yet at times they seem so peacefully elegant and beautiful, and its very hard to tell that they will eat you if you have only seen pictures..

i also dont think it makes you a homosexual if you have sexual urges towards the same sex, only if you act upon them do you truely differ from being straight





I like the way you worded that last statement.:grin: The word Homosexual was only invented in the mid 1800'a by a man trying to describe same sex attraction in a letter to a friend of his.I forgot where in my research,I may try to look it up again if people are interested.


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Re: A personal experiment....ON - Can you become a homosexual? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #11097141 - 09/20/09 10:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

As a sound it refers to a person who is movitated by the shape, smell and touch of a person with the same genetelia.

In other words, we're here, were not nessacrily as queer as we appear, get used to it...hahaha.

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