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Re: No God - No Peace. Know God - Know Peace. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #4924493 - 11/12/05 01:20 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

markos, i personally believe the mansions line refers to the vastness and the different levels of creation. for example the astral realm, the earth, life on other planets, the spiritual realm, etc. but are you saying you think someone who is a believer in fundamentalist christianity (assuming they have real faith) is better off than someone who doubted but came to believe through a spiritual experience such as you and me?


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Re: No God - No Peace. Know God - Know Peace. [Re: Deviate]
    #4924993 - 11/12/05 04:35 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

Not fundamentalists - they are so concrete as to have reduced the spiritual to the material!

Faith, real faith, is an 'organ of apprehension' (as author-one-time priest Andrew Greeley wrote in Ecstasy: A Way of Knowing. A person who lives by faith, Knows by faith. Faith precedes gnosis, and this became the tenet of orthodox Christianity because it is an avenue open to anyone who is not merely 'Hylic.' Gnostics appealed to "high fliers" (as a theology professor once referred to me when I pointed out the BE HERE NOW saying about 'The Way is The Way is The Way,' in reference to the same Reality whether Jesus says "I AM The Way" or whether the word 'Tao' is being considered). The prof addressed a worried student who probably thought only in terms of a long haired bearded 1st century carpenter. He couldn't get the difference between Jesus and Christ, but I was being too Gnostic there because I understood the difference - 'the few, the proud, the Gnostics' - always "puffed up" with Knowledge went the charges against them traditionally.
In its (primarily Luke) attempt to become a universal faith, not just a cultic offshoot from Judaism (mostly Matthew), the theology of orthodoxy had to appeal to all people, not just the intellectually proficient. Luther further pushed the issue with his "by faith alone" theology. Gnosis is a High road, not open to everyone, but it must be tread with humility and no secretly treasured pride.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself


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Re: No God - No Peace. Know God - Know Peace. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #4925531 - 11/12/05 01:38 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

I just read this message elsewhere and it's essence made me think of this post so I thought to share it here. :heart:


From the Light Within, Know Me

Nothing can stand between us, dear ones, if you choose Me. This is a
law of Love. This is the principal of Creation. It is definitely the entire foundation of your existence beloveds. Nothing can stand between us unless you make another choice.

If you believe you are reaching for Me, but in the next moment you have the thought that you are not strong enough, you have made another choice. You have chosen that belief. You have redefined your reality. So, I come to you today to tell you that I Am here. I answer every call. I fill you with Love, with grace, with the longing for our communion.

Everything sweet that is the touch of Love, everything sacred that
burns in your breast, every longing for your remembrance of the Divine behind these thoughts. I Am rushing to you the moment you open your heart.

For you to believe that anything is stronger than My Love is for you to believe a lie. For you to believe that I ever want anything but your greatest joy is also a lie. I do not test you. I simply wait for you. I wait for you as you test yourselves. I wait as you grow into your faith in My Love.

We have a beautiful relationship. You each have such a beautiful
heart. You have been with Me for so long. Yet now, in this time of your offering for humanity,  many of you have chosen false
beliefs. You can open your heart to Me and you can translate My Love into gifts for humankind. You can turn your heart to others, to the
beautiful panoply of life, and you can hear their holiness. Yet in all of this, sometimes you do not lay your faith in Me. In the depths of your being, you still are afraid. You believe that there are powers of darkness that can overcome you.

It is this lie that we now must forever correct. For you cannot claim your life in Me unless you understand My Love. You cannot claim your life in Me if you will not allow Me to support you. It is this support I now offer you. I hold out the gift of light. I wrap you in the beauty of My Love. You must be able to walk in Me, to live in Me, to love in Me. You must correct these misperceptions now. For in all of you I have placed My faith, that you will be the carriers of My message of Love. Yet you cannot carry what your cannot believe.

I must be your everything. For I Am your father ? father of the
heavens, father of the universes, father of All That Is ? all that loves and moves ? all that has its being within Me -- as vast as you can ever comprehend -- as glorious, moving, uplifting. Oh yes, your highest vision, your greatest dream, times a million, and you have barely touched Me.

I Am your mother also. The womb of Love that brought you birth, that
so tenderly loves you completely, in every moment. The mother for whom you are perfection. The mother whose Love has no conditions, no
bounds, whose Love is the foundation upon which you can bet your life.

I Am your benefactor, your cheerleader, your most tender lover. And
now I call you both to come into a walk with Me that is utterly personal, totally faithful, absolutely Real every moment.

I am the center of your lives ? right there in that special heart space between you ? that ?womb of Creation? must be filled with the
complete knowledge of My presence. You all must come to know Me, to love Me in a way that is filled with joy ? a way that makes your heart overflow with Love. A way that brings your daily walk into a passionate and trusting relationship with Me.

This is what I now call you to. For dear ones, I must be fully present in you in a new and powerful way. I ask you to allow Me in -- to trust Me ? that as I fill you with My presence, there will be no room for anything else!

You can only do this when you are ready: ready to give up your belief in your own strength. Ready to accept that only your heart can hold any answers, and those only when your heart is turned over to Me.

Nothing can keep you from Me. Nothing. If you call on Me, you must
know that all heaven and all of Earth must move to deliver you to Me --
to the experience of My presence and My movement in your heart and life!


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.


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Re: No God - No Peace. Know God - Know Peace. [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4926397 - 11/12/05 06:53 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

The path of devotion. It reminds me of Thomas a Kempis. Very nice, thanks for taking the time to include it (but who wrote it?!)


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Re: No God - No Peace. Know God - Know Peace. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #4926987 - 11/12/05 10:48 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

God is such a strange thing, because it seems that God is the absence of itself. What I mean is that it isn't a "thing" that you can find, almost more the absence of things. I really get what Buddhists mean when they talk about emptiness.

Last time I rolled on ecstacy I felt that I could see God but then I realized that it was only a brain chemical, a singular experience and God is not something that I can ever identify individualy. It's like all things together working in an eternal motion.

I wonder about the 'God is love thing' though because it seems like that love is an object or experience.


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Re: No God - No Peace. Know God - Know Peace. [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #4927102 - 11/12/05 11:14 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

can God be love and all things working together in eternal motion at the same time? in my opinion, yes. i think that when God is realized consciousness becomes love or rather all anti-love is removed from consciousness. this presense of unconditional love is God and within it appears the matter universe, which is also not apart from God. but i think the state of absolute being or pure love is beyond even the matter universe and outside space and time which exist within it.


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Re: No God - No Peace. Know God - Know Peace. [Re: Deviate]
    #4927137 - 11/12/05 11:22 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

Well I guess that does kind of make sense. Because if God is the formless union of all things then its nature would be of unity which is the opposite of lonliness or isolation which would be love and acceptance. I think that works ok for me.


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Re: No God - No Peace. Know God - Know Peace. [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #4927221 - 11/12/05 11:48 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

Markos,

It was co-authored by a couple, Yael and Doug Powell. It was inspiring and uplifting to me. Glad you liked it.

Hey Deviate and Sky. I use to use this play on words
energy in motion
e-motion
emotion

Eternal could be used to;
eternal motion
e-motion

Some times, I think of the energy of love as being the power that moves things and the energy of light as being the power that guides and directs the movement.

:peace:  :heart:


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Re: No God - No Peace. Know God - Know Peace. [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4927234 - 11/12/05 11:53 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

Quote:

Some times, I think of the energy of love as being the power that moves things and the energy of light as being the power that guides and directs the movement.




wow, i've thought the exact same thing.


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Re: No God - No Peace. Know God - Know Peace. [Re: Deviate]
    #4928167 - 11/13/05 07:14 AM (16 years, 20 days ago)

God is the formless union of all things then its nature would be of unity.

Love = Unity = God

Womb's (Voids) nature is gathering.


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