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#440957 - 10/29/01 05:18 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: How will it all end? [Re: gnrm23]
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Re: How will it all end? [Re: World Spirit]
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Re: How will it all end? [Re: World Spirit]
#446078 - 11/03/01 08:24 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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I will end with a new begining.
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Re: How will it all end? [Re: SpiralMix]
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Re: How will it all end? [Re: World Spirit]
#446937 - 11/04/01 06:14 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Some say the world will end in fire, some say in ice.
From what I know of men's desire, I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice, I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice, is also great,
And would suffice.
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Re: How will it all end? [Re: D_Tox]
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Re: How will it all end? [Re: World Spirit]
#451490 - 11/08/01 08:36 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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So why did God bother with any of it, enter?
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#451680 - 11/08/01 12:52 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sounds like when the sun will go nova (or whatever the term is). That day is coming, and it can not be stopped. That's a long time away though, and I wonder if man will be here. I guess we've been here long enough, cultures won't resemble todays though. By then we might be able to give God the slip, leave Earth... (Probably long before then unless war or famine or something screws everything up.)
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Re: How will it all end? [Re: Pynchon]
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Re: How will it all end? [Re: Ulysees]
#452325 - 11/08/01 10:11 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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bookwyrm sez:
short sory "year of the jackpot" (by robert a heinlein)
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Re: How will it all end? [Re: World Spirit]
#452333 - 11/08/01 10:24 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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OK, I will do that.
The question still stands for now tho'...
Let me put it like this: if I were a parent, I would naturally tell my kids not to play with fire. But If I leave a book of matches out and the house burns down, whose fault do you think it is? Even the most obediant child can't be held responsible for a chain-reaction of events beyond its comprehension. Building a new house won't stop it from happening again.
So why did God bother with us, seeing as for Him our fate must have been something of a foregone conclusion, like watching toddlers play with matches? Does God make mistakes too?
Apologies if I sound overly-critical of your beliefs. I don't mean to.
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Re: How will it all end? [Re: Pynchon]
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Re: How will it all end? [Re: World Spirit]
#452611 - 11/09/01 07:24 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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It was certainly an articulate and well thought-out response, enter. But at the risk of straying even further from the original intent of this thread:
"Each of us responsible for his/her own actions"
Simple statement belying great assumption -- where exactly does free will begin and end for the creationist? I've always presumed that most christians believe in an omnipotent deity, and omniscience to me suggests a knowledge of future events as well as past/present. I don't claim to know the mind of God, but if He knows what you're going to do before you do it -- and has always known it, from the very beginning -- free will becomes more illusory than ever and God Himself is relegated to a position of being nothing more than an audience for a play he already knows the ending to. And to milk the analogy 'til it's teats squeak, He apparently intends to wipe out the cast and the set when He decides He doesn't like the way it's going!
I'd also question the assertion that "without some form of law from God, you wouldn't know a righteous person from someone who cares only about themself" but that's another thread in itself...
"It takes many humans to be made to get a handful of individuals that can eternally coexist under God's will."
Again, He must have already known the identities of that handful before He started. Why create billions of lives just to snuff them out when he could have created a "perfect" race to begin with?
God may not be directly responsible for any given event, but nor is the neglectful parent who leaves matches lying around. But if everything in creation is the handiwork of God (including, presumably, Satan), you have to ask yourself wether or not things really turned out the way He wanted them to...it's a bit like the old "can God make a stone so heavy he can't lift it?" paradox, I guess...
Once again, I'm not trying to say "I'm right and you're wrong" or anything like that... just trying to get some thought-provoking discussion going...
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Re: How will it all end? [Re: Pynchon]
#452678 - 11/09/01 09:38 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: How will it all end? [Re: World Spirit]
#452752 - 11/09/01 11:06 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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And you guys say shrooms doesn't fuck with your head... It seems to me everything you read you take for the truth. Or maybe some of you are just completely delusional. I keep an open mind, but when it comes to aliens, ghosts, and god bringing eternal suffering to us. I think you should all take a break from shrooming for a while and get a foot in reality.
If you take the time to research this shit, you will realize its all paranoid bs, as a matter of fact I think your all so out of touch with reality, I could tell you I was god and you will believe me.
So I am god. Yep this is god right here. If you don't believe me I will answer any question to prove that I am god. I can tell you everything... EVERYTHING!!!!!!
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Re: How will it all end? [Re: World Spirit]
#452953 - 11/09/01 01:38 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Until there is total unity, where all links become the chaining, we will always stand divided. There too many ethnocentric systems (links) for one monotheist-based system to transform them all. It would be deluded to believe that the Bible's (OT/NT) veracities could relate in any way to the phenomenons (ie: ghosts, OBE, NDEs) of today. It would be also delusional to believe the Bible is infallible as the Vatican ordained it to be so cuz I could pose you these questions:
Where does a non-Christian go when he or she dies? Because supposedly the Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses are classified as outsiders of Christainity, cast outs. What about the Buddhists? Jewish? Hindus? Heck, Atheists?
Does the Bible expresses reincarnations?
Do you know why the 12 gospels excluded from OT/NT?
In reply to:
Paul actually began to address this question and he left his statements rather vague for the sake of not making some people angry IMO. This is an emotional question to say the least, because it leaves an answer that there are indeed condemned people and there are people that God has chosen for eternal life. Check out Romans 9:14-28.
Have you ever conversed the above with a Zen master?
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This is not the way He wants things, thus He?s going to destroy the earth and create a new earth.
No, he won't. We have the capability to assure total destruction of earth and humankind..
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To use your movie/cast example, I?d look at it like this: God created all things, and He created humans with free will. From day one of our existence He has allowed us to choose good and bad things. He does not like the current process and system and lifestyle that the world has established, thus He will end it and more or less, start over with those whom He has chosen in advance. Secondly, He is molding and shaping these ?chosen? vessels for eternal life. (Literally living forever on a new earth with a new heaven with each other). This is a terrific project in and of itself. Imagine having a family of millions of people and you?re the father. And you have to prepare all your children and relatives for eternal coexistence with each other in the most ideal method. That is quite an amazing project, if I do say so myself.
No, by your logic of 'free will', it's an pathocentric pretense of having the choice to believe in God or not -- not the choice to do good or bad things.
The 'chosen' vessels will be very very small and insignificant. Not alot of Christians are going to make it to that 'status' if you assume Christians have only one lifetime to achieve it. And if they don't, where do you suppose they go after death?
Project Terra Reform? We should do it democratically, we should vote for "His' decision.. :P
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Re: How will it all end? [Re: ArCh_TemPlaR]
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