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What I have learned about the paranormal
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1. Even on a paranormal website, it is ALWAYS someone else who has the ability; never a member.

2. Cameras are never around when such an event that could be recorded occurs.

3. Most outstanding events (such as miracles, levitation, crashed UFOs, etc.) take place far in the past or in distant regions where it is impossible to confirm.

4. Members that do claim ability can only do it sporadically, usually in total alignment with random chance.

5. Paranormalists work best in uncontrolled conditions with a zillion variables and fail miserably when limited to doing exactly what they claim under strict observation.


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Re: What I have learned about the paranormal [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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It took you some time, but you're getting somewhere. :smirk:


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Re: What I have learned about the paranormal [Re: MushroomTrip]
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I are a slow lurner...


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Re: What I have learned about the paranormal [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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If wrong intention is meant like filming it, i dont think its possible as your attached to making others see the truth, when you should accept all will see truth when they are ready. Not when you force it upon them. Attachment and truth just can not be intertwined, as one can be attached to many things yet there is only ONE truth.

The thought we are the only life in the universe is just ridiculous, i dont need to see a UFO to believe there is at least basic life out there, and life so much more aware than us.

One thing i have heard that has been scientifically recorded with frequency measuring devices is that the human brain when performing paranormal activity is it is at the EXACT frequency as the magnetic field of the earth.

The books called "be your own psychic." (before i get flamed for LINKS LINKS LINKS!!!)

This of course makes me question, when we become a space race, will we lose certain abilities, or gain others?


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Edited by Chronic7 (02/07/08 01:41 PM)

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Re: What I have learned about the paranormal [Re: Chronic7]
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One thing i have heard that has been scientifically recorded with frequency measuring devices is that the human brain when performing paranormal activity is it is at the EXACT frequency as the magnetic field of the earth.


I see. Someone else has 'the power' and you 'heard' about it. That about sums up what I am saying. BTW, you heard wrong.


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Re: What I have learned about the paranormal [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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you tell him oh great jedi master.

the force is strong with this one .

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Re: What I have learned about the paranormal [Re: Chronic7]
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Using Neuroimaging to Resolve the Psi Debate

Samuel T. Moulton and Stephen M. Kosslyn
Harvard University

Parapsychology is the scientific investigation of apparently paranormal mental phenomena (such as telepathy, i.e., "mind reading"), also known as psi. Despite widespread public belief in such phenomena and over 75 years of experimentation, there is no compelling evidence that psi exists. In the present study, functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) was used in an effort to document the existence of psi. If psi exists, it occurs in the brain, and hence, assessing the brain directly should be more sensitive than using indirect behavioral methods (as have been used previously). To increase sensitivity, this experiment was designed to produce positive results if telepathy, clairvoyance (i.e., direct sensing of remote events), or precognition (i.e., knowing future events) exist. Moreover, the study included biologically or emotionally related participants (e.g., twins) and emotional stimuli in an effort to maximize experimental conditions that are purportedly conducive to psi. In spite of these characteristics of the study, psi stimuli and non-psi stimuli evoked indistinguishable neuronal responses—although differences in stimulus arousal values of the same stimuli had the expected effects on patterns of brain activation.

These findings are the strongest evidence yet obtained against the existence of paranormal mental phenomena.

(Journal of Cognitive Neuroscience. 2008;20:182-192.)


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Re: What I have learned about the paranormal [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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One thing i have heard that has been scientifically recorded with frequency measuring devices is that the human brain when performing paranormal activity is it is at the EXACT frequency as the magnetic field of the earth.


I see. Someone else has 'the power' and you 'heard' about it. That about sums up what I am saying. BTW, you heard wrong.


Whats isit your saying?
You dont believe in the paranormal?
I dont get it?

your saying as thers no proof it cant exist?

If so where your proof that i heard wrong?


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Edited by Chronic7 (02/07/08 03:04 PM)

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Re: What I have learned about the paranormal [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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this still isn't solid evidential proof of the complete non-existence of extradimensional entities. it is just another petty belief system.

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Re: What I have learned about the paranormal [Re: deranger]
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You cannot absolutely prove the non-existence of anything. This is why the burden of proof is on the claimant. Thus far, all claims of paranormal activity have failed to meet the burden of proof.

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Re: What I have learned about the paranormal [Re: Chronic7]
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I cite the EXACT STUDY that you misheard and then you ask for a reference? What more do you possibly want?

Are people on this forum on drugs or what?


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Re: What I have learned about the paranormal [Re: deranger]
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so you WERE trying to say that because it cant be captured on film/prooved it isnt real?

That has GOT to be the most egotistic thing ive heard 2day. (Ifit was meant that way.)

"If there's no physical proof i dont believe it!"


LOOOOOOOOOL have you ever even taken shrooms before and felt what they can do? theres no proof they do anything, but everyone here knows they tap into unproovable experiences.



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Re: What I have learned about the paranormal [Re: Chronic7]
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Actually, there is quite a bit of scientific evidence that psychoactive substances alter one's neurochemistry.

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Re: What I have learned about the paranormal [Re: Veritas]
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yes but no proof they connect you with the pure awareness that life is.
yet many of us know this to be true.

i have no physical proof of this, but have proof of experience.

im not saying i believe in mind readers at all im saying the psychological belief in only the physical is one of the most ignorant things a being can perceive.


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Re: What I have learned about the paranormal [Re: Veritas]
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so because of this i should hold a belief that these entities do not exist? 

just because there is no material evidence we should go and assume things and act in a way that they do not exist?

i see much possibility of beings who have expanded beyond our petty imagination.  call me kookoo, i don't care :tongue2: they are just possibilities.

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Re: What I have learned about the paranormal [Re: Chronic7]
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yet many of us know this to be true.



Many believe it to be true, based upon their subjective experiences. Realize that your experience of awareness while in a chemically-altered state is not necessarily reflective of reality.

We don't KNOW that the world is physical, just as we don't KNOW that there are spiritual aspects that we cannot experience with our senses. However, it makes sense to retain some disbelief towards that which we cannot verify.

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Re: What I have learned about the paranormal [Re: Veritas]
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I agree to some extent...nothing is for sure. But that even applies to the physical.

Gravity is non-physical yet every person on the planet knows its strength and don't disbeleive or question it.

The way we meet people in our lives is due to interconnectedness/consciousness, any being that is aware to a certain extent, knows this as a solid fact, they dont need proof.

Need for proof is an attachment which will keep you asking these questions for a long long time, where as if you accept and dont doubt you will be liberated.

Question by all means but dont take your non proof as proof it doesnt exist.

I think this discussion has reached a balance.

NOTHING is for sure.

Im going to read BE Here Now until work finished then go home and go to bed, good vibes to you ALL!


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Edited by Chronic7 (02/07/08 03:52 PM)

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Re: What I have learned about the paranormal [Re: Chronic7]
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Gravity is non-physical?  Perhaps you mean non-material?  Physical laws are those which govern material existence, and gravity is one such law.

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where as if you accept and dont doubt you will be liberated.



Or utterly deluded.  :shrug:

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Re: What I have learned about the paranormal [Re: Veritas]
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Veritas said:
However, it makes sense to retain some disbelief towards that which we cannot verify.


a belief is a belief. we may never be able to verify astral projection or out of body experiences or alien encounters. retaining disbelief would only be cutting oneself off from potential, in my opinion AND experience. belief is a limitation, what is so hard to understand about this?

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Re: What I have learned about the paranormal [Re: deranger]
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OK, how about "doubt" in place of "disbelief"? IMO, remaining open to every possibility is undesirable, as the process of exploration is meant to reveal which aspects of reality exist, and which are simply wishful thinking/fantasy/delusion. This is not to say that we summarily dismiss that which is not in evidence, but it does mean that we remain skeptical of the probability that it exists.

I cannot prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that unicorns DO NOT exist. Does this mean that I should believe that they might? That somehow they have avoided being seen by anyone? The same goes for astral projection, aliens, OOBE's, telekinesis, and all other paranormal claims which WOULD be proven if someone provided evidence.

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