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A big reason why aliens DO exist!
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Over the past couple of weeks I have seen 5 UFO's.

I am a fisherman and no I wasn't shroomed up.  We were doing night sets on Friday and Saturday in the middle of fields down my local river, the stour.

Me and 3 witnesses saw 2 UFO's appear directly in front of us.  The were basically stars, however, the behaviour is not right.  They appear out of nowhere and travel across the sky speeding up, slowing down, making quick sharp angled turns and changing in light intensity.  Typically they appear for 10-30 seconds and seem to be dodging around playfully until they zoom off over the horizon.

Another fisherman I spoke to had seen one do a full circle of the planet and come back round.

At about 3.00am Saturday most of the activity had stopped but we all wanted to see another because we were really getting into them.  Basically there was 1 very bright star directly ahead.  It had been there all night and not moved an bit despite all the other activity when at about 3.00am it just took off at thousands of miles per hour and dissapeared.  We were all gobsmacked that the main star visible that had been there for hours just decided to take off and didn't come back!

Ok I'm no genius but I state that "I KNOW ALIENS EXIST".  I hear u all screaming it could be ball lighnting it could be military craft.  But after seeing this so many time me and my buddies know they exist.  It is not satellites, it is not space debris and if it is not human.  If we were piloting these things why not be more discreet.  The aliens have a currently unknown agenda and don't hide themselves if it means that they hav to sacrifice their task.

I know many of you will not believe.  If this is the case then I CHALLENGE YOU. :nonono: Instead of picking holes in the technicalities of my wording :eek: get off your PC tonight and stand outside in a place where you arnt hampered by street lamps and watch the sky from 11.30 PM until 3.00am This is the peak time for activity and there are more of them than ever at the moment.  One session will be enough to see many examples of the activity. If all us fishermen can see it then anyone in the northern hemisphere will be able too. 


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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What you saw was a weather balloon or a secret government aircraft.

The artist that painted this painting in 1710 also was seeing a weather balloon or secret government aircraft.




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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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Why do aliens always make sudden sharp turns when they are flying? Are they piss drunk all the time?

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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Rhizoid]
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Me and my friends came to the theory aliens are like insects i.e they use the group mind

If a race is not thinking individualy but as a whole then they would behave very differently to us.

To ask why they don't behave like us is to ask what the nature of that being is. A question I cannot answer. All we know is they hide themselves but at the same time they can be very obvious.

Lol at leary fan


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Rhizoid]
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I hope so.

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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Stein]
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sounds to me like they were humans learning to fly :smile:

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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Learyfan]
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I looked carefully at the painting and but see no aliens.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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Dano,

Astronomers watch the skies ALL THE TIME. As of yet, there is no evidence of any vehicle entering from space, nor are these "irregular stars" reported in any astronomy magazine. Are hundreds of thousands of amateur and professional astronomers in on the "conspiracy"? Do the MIBs visit everyone with a telescope and warn them off? Me no think so.

Did you see any pilots? No. All you saw were distant points of light that you could not identify. That says more about your knowledge base than any visitors. END OF STORY.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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In my opinion, you're being fooled by your environment and yourself.

Either that or everybody ELSE is..


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Edited by Strumpling (07/14/03 12:57 PM)

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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Strumpling]
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video tape it


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: baraka]
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Watch this video taken by NASA on the space shuttle. Video clip
Plays on Windows media player. It looks really good in full screen mode and on a loop.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Static]
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EVERYONE KNOWS THATS JUST SUN-GLARE!  :crazy2:

Nothing to see folks, move along. Here, take some  :pill2: :pill2: :pill2: if you feel scared or confused.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Adamist]
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"As of yet, there is no evidence of any vehicle entering from space, nor are these "irregular stars" reported in any astronomy magazine."

I agree.

Although I have no answers why this is the case.

Its 2.44 am Tuesday 15th July. I just did a sky watch with 2 friends both skeptics. We basically took the challenge I set out above. We took a camera and binoclears.

We have seen 7 UFO's and 2 shooting stars. The shooting stars being a very fast flash. As for the UFO's, some faint some bright. Once again appearing from nowhere taking a strange path and altering in speed and light intensity. We got about 10 pics of the good ones and the best was when 2 appeared following each other at quite a distance, most odd!

The challege works anyway. I'm going to finish that film on saturday, hopefully, when I go fishing again. After that I will develope and scan the pictures.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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"After that I will develope and scan the pictures"

Hopefully by "develope" you don't mean like in PHOTOSHOP :P!

:wink: Are you going to POST them after they're scanned? Lets see 'em.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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I've seen weird lights in the sky that seem to be traveling way too fast to be anything. I mean I have no idea what they were. Maybe they're like lightning bugs in space or souls on their way taking one last look at kaleidoscope earth.

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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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Annual UFO day is right around the corner!  :laugh: 


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Shroomism]
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The jerking motion sounds like space debris heading in a direct path towards you then being ripped apart by the atmosphere of Earth.

Its quite common, and I'm sure this is why you've seen it so frequently.

Isn't it strange that satellites revolve around the Earth? Wait, no, thats the point.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: DrubuShrume]
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"The jerking motion sounds like space debris heading in a direct path towards you then being ripped apart by the atmosphere of Earth"
"satellites revolve around the Earth"

Please explain how the atmosphere made the "debris" alter direction completely.

Please explain how a sattelite can remain stationry like a star for 4 hours then start vibrating and shoot off over the horizon?

I'm sorry but I'm tired of being debunked. If u don't believe drubushrume take my challange, you could of seen plenty last night!

Yes, I will upload my scans strumpling. U will have to judge for yourself wether they have been edited I mean I know a crappy photo of a star doesn't really mean shit. I need a camcorder and tripod to get some good evidence but like I said look for yourself. We probably saw 1 every half an hour on average!


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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Quote:
Another fisherman I spoke to had seen one do a full circle of the planet and come back round.



Where was he stood when he seen this? Was he going after Bass in the Sea of Tranquility?


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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Please explain how the atmosphere made the "debris" alter direction completely.



The only direction you perceive is the sideways projection of the true direction of motion. When the debris burns it will emit hot gases like jet streams in various directions that alter the path. There is no reason why every meteor must travel a perceived straight path in the sky.

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Please explain how a sattelite can remain stationry like a star for 4 hours then start vibrating and shoot off over the horizon?



Was it stationary relative to the Earth, or relative to the background stars?

I was outside for half an hour myself last night, around midnight european time. I watched the sky and saw nothing but the usual stars and planets, plus the moon, and two bats flying around in circles. This is untypical, since one can expect to see half a dozen meteors per hour during a normal night. BTW, did you see any meteors at all in the four hours you were watching the sky? You should have seen at least 15-30 normal meteors during that time.

Edited by Rhizoid (07/15/03 07:12 AM)

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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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Gozer the Traveller will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldronaii, the Traveller came as a very large and moving Torb. Then, of course, in the third reconciliation of the last of the Meketrex supplicants, they chose a new form for him, that of a Sloar. Many Shubs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar that day I can tell you.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Sclorch]
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"Was it stationary relative to the Earth, or relative to the background stars?"

It was stationary like all the other stars, 4 of us saw it. We noticed because it was so bright we thought it was like the north star.

OK, if i assume that meteors can move in a zig zag pattern from gas emmissions then I would say 3 of the UFO's I saw yesterday could of been meteors.

The other 2 however played a game of tag! 1 appeareared then another appeared a few seconds later following it. I'm hopeing I will get a couple of good pictures that I shot of these!

1 of the other "meteors" started above us traveled towards the moon and curved left traveling across the horizon. I felt this to be strange behaviour for a meteor.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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Though I don't believe this UFO story at all, I thought it was worth mentioning that a very trustworthy and usually pretty logical friend of mine claims to have seen a UFO and described it almost exactly like DanoEoboy has. This was a few years ago and I tried convincing him that it was probably a satellite or something of that sourt, but he vehemently claims that it was not.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: dawn of a new day]
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The North Star is actually one of the more dim stars that can be seen with the naked eye and isn't easily located unless you know where to look.

Peace,
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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: TekNut]
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>>The other 2 however played a game of tag! 1 appeareared then another appeared a few seconds later following it. I'm hopeing I will get a couple of good pictures that I shot of these!<<

WOW, its not possible that a meteor could enter the atmosphere after a different one did, it must be a UFO!


I'm not saying UFO's don't exist, but I'm not saying that what you saw was a UFO either. But I don't understand why a travelling space ship would fly around where its barely anything but a dot of light, and be within the Earths atmosphere without being picked up on any radar or statellite disturbances.

Unless of course, they exist on a different frequency than us and travel in our frequency to observe.


I guess we'll never know...




until we find out.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: DrubuShrume]
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Lets get 1 thing straight here:
I really don't care wether or not any of you believe me, what I have said is go and look for yourself if you don't!

>>>possible that a meteor could enter the atmosphere after a different one did<<<

Once again I cannot understand a meteor changing direction to follow another or changing its speed to the point where its almost stopped and then taking off again.

I understand what your saying drubu. Again I have no answers. Look all I'm saying is they are there. I've watched 4 skeptics turn to believers after taking my challange because they can't deny when the really crazy ones come.

Why would any inteligent being behave so strangly? because they are not human! They obviously have an agenda unknown to us.

Why fly around as a dot of light? Why not? Its camoflage, they can sit right under our noses and most the planet doesn't know they are there.

Radar and satellite disturbances will not be reported to YOU! They are reported to our intelligence communities who then decide which info is allowed to be disclosed.

Heres some facts:

Civil servant Nick Pope was a skeptic. The MoD asked him to investigate UFOs. 12 years on he is convinces UFO's exist and alien abduction is real.

Records of UFO sightings go back to 1871 long b4 we even invented aircraft.

President George Bush stated "There is mounting evidence to suggest there is alien life on other planets"

British Prime Minister maggie Thatcher said "there is secret information on the subject of UFOs, mysteriously you can't tell the people!"

More evidence research these incidents:
1.Rendlesham Forest, Suffolk
2.Travis Walton, Fire in the Sky
3.Brooklyn Bridge UFO

Enough said.




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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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eh


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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Once again I cannot understand a meteor changing direction to follow another ...

Backdraft.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Swami]
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danoEoboy- How come all I ever hear on matters of proof are broad generalizations backed up with ambiguous second-hand "proof"?

Put it in my hand and I will no longer accuse you of making assumptions about your perceptions.
Well???


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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those aliens. they always forget to turn off their lights.

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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: infidelGOD]
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LOL @ SWAMI

OK Sclorch were in spirituality and philosophy. Most of the matters that are being brought up in this forum, by its very nature, are opinions,ideas and theories. Nobody can truly back up an opinion with anything other than second hand proof because they are telling you what they beleive based on their personal experiences.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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How exactly do you get a backdraft in space where there is no air? I thought you lot were open minded, try viewing things from every possible angle for once instead of you're own idealistic viewpoint in which your social hierarchy doesn't allow for a species more intelligent than human. I understand the very concept of such is a raw nerve for every person, you think I didn't have the greatest of trouble excepting that we truly can not be protected from these beings. Everything that exists in our universe is natural even death/murder/rape i'm not saying you shouldn't use your intelligence to decide not to do this to create a harmonious society. I am saying we cannot stop a species more advanced from coming here and taking humans, if u believe they could not hide themselves then you are very foolish, go back to your newspaper. The ignorant world the media has created for u is probably nicer for u to exist in.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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How exactly do you get a backdraft in space where there is no air?

You cannot possible see a meteor unless it is being heated up by friction with the atmosphere, so how can you say there is no air?


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Swami]
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I too saw the phenomena they are describing at the time I was convinced It was a UFO but now as the time passes and the incident fades in my memory Im starting to question just what else it could have been anything like debris burning up in the atmosphere or whatever. I mean I just don't think your average sky observer like us would be qualified to indentify a true UFO from other sky phenomenon.


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Total abstinence is so excellent a thing that it cannot be carried to too great an extent. In my passion for it I even carry it so far as to totally abstain from total abstinence itself.
  -Mark Twain

"The time has come the walrus said, little oysters  hide their heads, my Twain of thought is loosely bound I guess its time to Mark this down, Be good and you will be lonesome
Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
Jimmy Buffett

Edited by QuantumMeltdown (07/17/03 11:17 AM)

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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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OK Sclorch were in spirituality and philosophy. Most of the matters that are being brought up in this forum, by its very nature, are opinions,ideas and theories. Nobody can truly back up an opinion with anything other than second hand proof because they are telling you what they beleive based on their personal experiences

Obviously you haven't heard of Swami's infamous Rock to the Back of your Head Challenge... I'd say it stomps the "everything is an illusion" concept into the ground with one basic movement. Not everyone around here relies solely on secondhand "proof".


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Sclorch]
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Sclorch, explain more if u want me to understand that post.

>>>>You cannot possible see a meteor unless it is being heated up by friction with the atmosphere, so how can you say there is no air?<<<

OK well that rules out meteors then!

Like I said these things were stars as big and bright as any other, moving fairly slowly most the time. They are in deep space. How does a meteor slow down to almost a stop and start glowing in the sky, then shrink and take off again?

QuantumMeltdown I too started to question my self afterwards but the evidence was repeatedly slapping me in the face, I can no longer deny.

Heres an extract on identifying meteors and space debis:

"If it is of very short duration, for instance, it
could be a meteor - particles of dust or debris from space
burning up as they enter the Earth's atmosphere"

There are also thousands of documented 'anomalies' which have been recorded on radar.





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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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I always hear why haven't astronomers reported UFOs? Well fuck me they have!! A leading beleiver in the UFO field J. Allen Hynek is an astronomer


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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They are in deep space.



How do you know that? You said they were only dots of light, so how did you judge the distance?

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How does a meteor slow down to almost a stop and start glowing in the sky, then shrink and take off again?



That doesn't sound very much like meteors. But don't you think hot balls of plasma could behave like that?

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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Rhizoid]
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>>I thought you lot were open minded, try viewing things from every possible angle for once instead of you're own idealistic viewpoint in which your social hierarchy doesn't allow for a species more intelligent than human<<

I am very open minded and willing to accept that there may be intelligent life, so don't go making assumptions about me and my social hierarchy because you know nothing of me or my family.

I have taken your "Challenge" more than 50 times before you even made it a challenge. Which is another point that you don't know me. I have always been fascinated with the skies. I have a telescope and lately haven't had to time to get far from the city.

I will tell you one thing. I've never seen a UFO, I've seen meteorites that burn different colors (usually red green or blue) and I've seen "stars" just fly away out of the blue. I do not believe they were UFO's however. Somewhere in the history of the universe and stars its possible that the light travelling here was blocked at some point long ago and caused a pause in the continuous glow.

And Eclipse, for example, blocks the sun from having a direct glow on the Earth, causing a blackout period. The same thing happens throughout the universe to stars forever away.

Black holes can bend light, so with the passing of time and formation of black holes, the light heading towards Earth could get bent depending on how recent the black hole is. This could result in the appearance of a star flying in a direction because a part of space is bent.

I dunno where I'm goin with this, but if aliens existed on Earth (with the aid of UFOs), then they sure as hell are stealth. I don't understand why they'd be stealth, but it appears they are.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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Well fuck me...
No thanks!

A leading beleiver in the UFO field J. Allen Hynek is an astronomer
But he contributed NOTHING to the field of UFOlogy through his star-gazing or astronomical observations (please link an article that he wrote for any astronomy publication regarding UFOs), but from second-hand reports, so his occupation is irrelevant.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Swami]
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Rhizoid the arguement was: there are so many of them that they were meteors, of course plasma balls are a much rarer phenomena.

Why do I say they are in space? Because stars are! The closest star to earth is the sun, the rest of them are way out there. I know this is an assumption but what else can I do but base conclusions on multiple facts.

Drubu i make 1 assumption about you! Don't be so ego-centric. I spose when you hear a whisper or giggle in the corner of the room you always assume they are talking about you! It was a generalisation aimed at anybody trying to debunk the evidence.

>>>Somewhere in the history of the universe and stars its possible that the light travelling here was blocked at some point long ago and caused a pause in the continuous glow.<<<

These phenomena you are describing do not account for the frequency this is happening. You can see hundreds of them in 1 night exzibiting all sorts of behaviour that rule out your "at some point" theory. These are rare events you are describing!

Why don't u try researching behavoiur of meteors ETC B4 U claim to know everything about them. I've done a lot of research into skeptic websites explaining how a meteor, space debris are being mistaken for UFO's but they simply do not account for the frequency and intelligent controlled behaviour of the "stars".

SWAMI HE WAS HIRED TO USE HIS ASTRONOMY SKILLS TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN UFOS AND STARS!
I LAUGH IN YOUR FACE AT THE UNDENIABLE IGNORANCE THAT HAS BEEN PROVED OVER AND OVER.
SWAMI heres you link you turd:

http://www.ask.co.uk/metasearch.asp?aj_product=IndexSearch&MetaEngine=Teoma&EngineOrdinal=2&ItemOrdinal=7&m=10&AdServerCode=&MetaURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eanomalies%2Enet%2Farchive%2Frutger%2Dmirror%2Fhynek%2Dinterview&MetaTopic=hynek%2Dinterview&ask=astronomy%2BUFO%2Bhynek&LogId=81F87BB8EB701643900A25C1AA7B4E81&origin=0&qsource=1&qcategory=LIFE&aj_is=no&rf=&x=false&uk=false

And you should do more research your self b4 attempting to put people down just because YOU CANNOT HANDLE THE TRUTH.
Face up to what you are...



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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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SWAMI HE WAS HIRED TO USE HIS ASTRONOMY SKILLS TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN UFOS AND STARS!
I LAUGH IN YOUR FACE AT THE UNDENIABLE IGNORANCE THAT HAS BEEN PROVED OVER AND OVER.

Yes, he was. But the fact remains that he published nothing about what he witnessed as an astronomer and as you can provide no link to any such paper you feel the need to insult. His astronomy knowledge was applied as conjecture to second-hand reports, not his own direct witnessing while in the performance of his astronomical duties.

Bolding text (yelling) and name-calling hardly strengthen your case, they merely demonstrate your maturity level.






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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: DrubuShrume]
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one time I saw these fireflies over a lake zigzagging all crazylike and hovering and zooming off at a million miles an hour! and they looked exactly like stars until one of em came and sat on the grass right in front of me. so I said, ok that one there was a firefly but the rest of em. they're all aliens come to probe us and steal our eggs and conspire with the government to take away our third eyes


I know a guy who's in mufon, one time we were out in the desert looking at some stars through a scope. we saw a bright meteor streaking through the sky, bright enough to cast shadows. now it was pretty clear to me that it was a meteor since I've seen them countless times but he was CONVINCED that he had just witnessed visitors from another planet. he even filed a ufo report for his mufon friends.


there's this highway near Vegas called the Extraterrestrial Highway. it's funny because it's right next to Nellis Air Force Base. coincidence? I never met an extraterrestrial but there are some interesting characters out there.

aliens are gravitationally attracted to non credible sources.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: infidelGOD]
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Yea,yea i don't care
you can disagree
with my philosophy
you can hack at me
about my maturity
i know something
you will never beleive
so remember here
in a couple a years
wat you all sneered
when you're ufo fears
will bring you to tears.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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I just saw another crazy 1 making direction changes and speed changes of the most extreme. It was very bright. Afterwards an unmarked plane came hacking by.

About 20 mins after this we saw a red ball which sometimes glowed very bright and sometimes dissappeared then it moved from 1 side of a tree to the other and started to rise behind some clouds.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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Shroomism summed it up pretty good to me once: "If aliens had evil intentions, we would have been enslaved a long time ago".
I myself has found that I can't trust my eyes while squinting at lights in the sky...
Peace.


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I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Swami]
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[B]Drubu i make 1 assumption about you! Don't be so ego-centric. I spose when you hear a whisper or giggle in the corner of the room you always assume they are talking about you! It was a generalisation aimed at anybody trying to debunk the evidence.[/B]

You directed the initial statement towards the whole lot, which I consider myself a part of. I did not think that was aimed at me, but you yourself said "It was a generalization aimed at anybody trying to debunk the evidence" in which I happen to fall into the category of as well.


Do us a favor and record some of these experiences on tape and post stills here to help back yourself.

Although I do agree UFOs exist, I am speculatory until I get a little more proof than "the stars were playing tag."

I have gone stargazing many-a-nights and even ate 4 grams in the Oglseby woods. I did not see ANY UFOs that night, although the stars were every warm and cold color.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: fireworks_god]
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But how do you know we aren't already enslaved? Like a prison without walls?

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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: ]
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because were free man, you think you could get pizza hut and Old Milwuakee in prison???? you think they let people watch tv in prison???

wake up and smell the freedom ASSHOLE, love it or leave it.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
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wake up and smell the freedom ASSHOLE, love it or leave it.

Though incendiary, that made me laugh... hehehehe


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Sclorch]
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"because were free man, you think you could get pizza hut and Old Milwuakee in prison???? you think they let people watch tv in prison??? "

actually, concierges will get you all that stuff in prison if you have the $ to pay for it.

think about this: maybe pizza hut, old milwaukee, and television ARE the prison.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: DoctorJ]
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right on :wink:


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Zero7a1]
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DoctorJ: think about this: maybe pizza hut, old milwaukee, and television ARE the prison.


oh god....another conspiracy nut. In bet you're one of those people that thinks there are secret cameras everywhere recording all our actions.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
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atomikfunksoldier said:
oh god....another conspiracy nut. In bet you're one of those people that thinks there are secret cameras everywhere recording all our actions.


There is, man. They are called satellites. hehe
I doubt they monitor everything, but there IS the possibility that they do.
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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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danoEoboy said:
I just saw another crazy 1 making direction changes and speed changes of the most extreme. It was very bright. Afterwards an unmarked plane came hacking by.

About 20 mins after this we saw a red ball which sometimes glowed very bright and sometimes dissappeared then it moved from 1 side of a tree to the other and started to rise behind some clouds.


Well i believe what your saying!...still can't believe it until i see it with my own eyes though...I will not block out the possiblility.
Also the lights you describe have been documented, and i've heard many people describe the exact thing your saying, and even saw a video of the "stars" playing tag and moving around and shit!
So i'll take your challenge this weekend if the weather holds, when im camping just a couple hours away from vancouver BC.
...although i make no assurances to my sobriety!


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
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I was offering a possibilty, you don't have to be a douchebag about it.

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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Azmodeus]
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Azmodeus, Thank You.

You are the only person to say that. I've taken a lot of hacking. I just can't deny what I know what be the truth!

If you take my challenge you will undoubtly see some strange stuff. I don't know why there is so much activity but it is a phenomena even if it isn't alien it cannot be explained and can be proved to exist.

check this out if u are a skeptic:
www.disclosureproject.org


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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UFO's?

My parents live in Pensacola, Florida.  That place is known for lots of UFO's.  When I ask my parents if they believe in UFO's they tell me they don't have to believe cuz they see them all the time :smile:

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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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Hey, i prolly would not have believed you had i not seen the exact thing your describing numerous times throughout my life on those ufo documentaries.....there was even a video clip of them playing tag like you said.....

I can't believe until i see, but to disbelieve would be silly to because one thing is for sure, theres something not natural in the skies.

It could easily be new technology....

It could be machines....or probes of somesort...

It could be.....

etc...

Im pretty sure im going camping this weekend, so if i get a chance i write what i saw monday. I think alot of it has to do with location. Activity seems more concentrated in certain areas of the world....where bouts are you?


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Azmodeus]
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I was chilling with some Pleiadian friends last night. It was very refreshing.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Shroomism]
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I wish there was a pill for SDS (self-delusion syndrome).


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Sclorch]
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I'm in the UK friends. Anybody in the southern hemisphere should hopefully see some activity.

1 of my skeptic friens saw a UFO with us, he claimed it was a helicopter! I couldn't beleive he was trying to fob me off with that. No noise, definately not close enough and the speed would of been insane for a chopper!


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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Its like you guys think I want you to confirm my belief or something, I DON'T CARE WETHER U BELEIVE ME OR NOT!!!

I'm closing the discussion now i've had enough.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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I believe you
there are all kinds of weird lights out there
oh and that red light you saw was probably mars. it's incredibly bright right now.

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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Sclorch]
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I'm glad you think you know my reality so well. Congratulations.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Shroomism]
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Thanks. Do I get a trophy of some sort?

Actually, I only know certain boundaries concerning your objective reality. I am quite perplexed when it comes to your subjective reality.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Sclorch]
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Four pages of posts on an Alien thread and absoultely ZERO about aliens, only distant lights in the skies. No BIG REASON as promised and no chasm-jumping here folks.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Swami]
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400,000 years of evolution.... yes. we still dont have a clue :wink:


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Zero7a1]
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Whats the big answer? Go look for yourself and realise its crowded skies.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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By seeing a dot of light in the sky, you can discern that it has passengers and that they are from another solar system?



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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Swami]
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he can see it with his third eye. like, duh.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Swami]
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You can't discern anything other than it is something un natural, and most likely not man made...

Why is it so hard no to believe on way or another, but to keep an open mind?


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Azmodeus]
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keep an open mind. that's all I'm asking.
jumping to conclusions is NOT keeping an open mind.

maybe if this thread was titled:
A big reason why lights in the sky DO exist!
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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: infidelGOD]
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yeah i thought about that too. It might run better with everyone...  :stash:


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Swami]
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You'll meet the drivers soon, and perhaps they will let you drive.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Azmodeus]
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I cant finish this thread, too long, but it's really interesting. That painting drawn in 1710 sold me. Next time I'm in the hills I'll be looking for these lgihts in the sky. Another piece of evidence to back up UFO's:

In the bible one of the stories is about an apostle being kidnapped by "chariots of fire from the sky". What better way to describe a UFO in 20 AD than chariot of fire?

Another piece of evidence:

Has anyoen seen the movie Communion? It's a true story starring Christopher Walken and its about a guy who got abducted by aliens. He is compeltely traumatized by the experience even though he can't remember what happened. So he gets hypnotized and talks about everything in teh space ship. The pyschiatrist who hypnotized him todl him that she gets cases liek this all the time, describing the exact same details that he described!!! so she sends him to this group where they all got abducted by aliens, and all of their descriptions match up!!


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: MisterKite]
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>>>By seeing a dot of light in the sky, you can discern that it has passengers and that they are from another solar system?<<<

Look at his use of wording "dot of light". I don't expect any one as ignorant as you to possibly understand. Go pick the technicalities of somebody elses thread or how about go beat around a bush. lol





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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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Yeah another great movie:
Fire in The Sky
The book is better though because they always alter films, but it is a true story. Travis Walton is abducted by aliens for a few days! 3 Witnesses saw the UFO take him. They all took lie detector tests, its very interesting!

I admit I was jumping ahead with the 'alien' stuff. But this is my personal belief. The evidence of Grey aliens has no boundaries of time or culture it is obvious to me they therefore must exist. I watched a documentary once about a tribe who worshipped the grey alien and had no contact with modern western civilisation.

I have read many reports of normal people all over the planet being taken by these beings and I don't believe any one would make this up because they wanted to believe it. The entire notion of an advanced race being able to take us at will is not at all appealling, its terrifying why would any human make up such a claim, or why would so many people?


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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I had forgot about the title... :rolleyes:


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: MisterKite]
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Has anyoen seen the movie Communion? It's a true story...

Written by a sci-fi/fantasy writer who couldn't pay his bills as he had not had a book published in 12 years. YOU DO THE MATH.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Swami]
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Uh, why exactly are you so against the possibility that those lights had nothing to do with man, or earth, or nature?


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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Look at his use of wording "dot of light".

Um, point of light? (too Bushian!)


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Azmodeus]
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Maybe the dots of light really were unnatural. But why jump to the conclusion that they were alien spacecraft? Why couldn't they be flying unicorns with bioluminiscent fur, or enormous glowing rocks thrown in great parabolas over the sky by ancient sea monsters, and then controlled remotely by voodoo magic?

How do we discriminate between all these possibilities? Does anyone have any suggestions?

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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Rhizoid]
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Hollywood movies, pseudo-documentaries, sci-fi books, urban legends, impressionable minds and lack of rational thinking. Any other questions?


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Swami]
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here's a link you may enjoy, swaminator

http://www.csicop.org/si/9705/news.html


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Rhizoid]
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Rhizoid said:
Maybe the dots of light really were unnatural. But why jump to the conclusion that they were alien spacecraft?


Sorry, didn't mean to imply i thought they were spacecraft,.....i actually suspect flying unicorns, but i'll have to study it myself...


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Rhizoid]
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There are so many unexplainable things that happen within the universe, no one can say for sure what causes certain things to occur. One night me and my bf were lying in his backyard, and he lives in the country so the stars are 100 times better then at my house in town. But we saw a light just move across the sky, it looked like it was flashing but it's so hard to keep focusing your eyes, so it just coulda been our eyes playing tricks on us. We both ended up losing sight of it at the same time, don't really know if it vanished, or if we just took our eyes off it for a few seconds and couldn't relocate it. Either way it was cool, i don't really want to try and understand the secrets of space, i just want to sit back and stare at the stars and admire their beauty without trying to comprehend just how insignificant we really are compared to all that is out there...


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Sweet_Stoner]
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Ignorance is bliss...,no offense.
Its not like trying to understand makes you any less ignorant either.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Azmodeus]
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How do we discriminate between all these possibilities? Does anyone have any suggestions?

I think I have used a system of logic to deduce this.
We all know there is no first hand evidence unless you happen to of witnessed aliens getting out of a UFO.
So therefore we must study the evidence that history holds. Can anyone give me a reason why hundreds of people that have never met claim to have seen the same thing?
Were they all deluded and having a mass hallucination?
Were they all hoaxes built on an international cult that lasted throughout history?
Maybe people really like the idea of aliens abducting,paralysing and fucking with them so they all made it up?

Or just maybe we are not at the top of the evolution chain, why is this so hard to accept!!!


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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I think I have used a system of logic to deduce this.

What logic? You saw something nebulous many miles away and determined it was not from earth based on fantasy.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Swami]
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"Maybe the dots of light really were unnatural. But why jump to the conclusion that they were alien spacecraft? Why couldn't they be flying unicorns with bioluminiscent fur, or enormous glowing rocks thrown in great parabolas over the sky by ancient sea monsters, and then controlled remotely by voodoo magic?"

yup. flying unicorns. thats what I belive and EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
I think I have used a system of logic to deduce this.

What logic? You saw something nebulous many miles away and determined it was not from earth based on fantasy. 


so what "logic" are you using to explain it? :smirk:


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: DoctorJ]
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DoctorJ said:
"Maybe the dots of light really were unnatural. But why jump to the conclusion that they were alien spacecraft? Why couldn't they be flying unicorns with bioluminiscent fur, or enormous glowing rocks thrown in great parabolas over the sky by ancient sea monsters, and then controlled remotely by voodoo magic?"

yup. flying unicorns. thats what I belive and EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!



Because we have science to disregard those options. Still a star-like ogject that moves doesn't seem like any 'craft' i could imagine...but its really hard to say what it was other than something unknown. It could very well be new technology, that is being tested more and more, but there are factors that are not consistent.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Azmodeus]
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Swami, you must have missed my question....

Azmodeus said:
Uh, why exactly are you so against the possibility that those lights had nothing to do with man, or earth, or nature?



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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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Quote:
Or just maybe we are not at the top of the evolution chain, why is this so hard to accept!!!



Its not. I'm sure even Swami would agree.

The point is dancing lights in the sky are NOT a 'big reason why aliens DO exist.'

Heres a good one (least I always thought so)..

"Given what we know about the universe (its near-unimaginably vast size) and what exists in it (trillions of stars and objects.. trillions of trillions of trillions.. you get the picture), and what we dont.. I feel it is far more likely that Earth and its inhabitants, and the solar system it is part of, are average, and not a freakish anomoly."

edit; i didnt think that up, in fact i think i heard someone on these boards say it but i cant remember who.

Edited by immaculate (07/25/03 04:17 PM)

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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Azmodeus]
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Swami, you must have missed my question....


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Azmodeus said:
Uh, why exactly are you so against the possibility that those lights had nothing to do with man, or earth, or nature?


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Because there is nothing pointing elsewhere; simple as that.

Alien Autopsy: hoax

Gulf Breeze: hoax

Billy Meier: hoax

Phoenix lights: misidentified military flares

Roswell: Mogul balloon

UFO over Las Vegas: Fuji blimp

Add to that planes, high altitude missiles, helicopters, satellites, military and commercial aircraft, Venus, comet, meteors, sun dogs, clouds, space debris re-entry, etc.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Swami]
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Exactly.

dano;

UFO's exist. But UFO's are not alien space craft. (edit: unidentified flying objects.. are anything thats flying and you cant identify=D) Theres always the possibility, but when you look at the sheer number of other possibilities, and still cling to the concept that you saw alien spacecraft dancing in the night sky..

well.. youre really just fucking yourself, imo.

Its good to be open minded, but its hard to be open minded when you've already made up your mind about what you saw. Ya dig?

Edited by immaculate (07/25/03 04:35 PM)

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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Swami]
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Thats an impressive list of explained phenomenon, but im sure i could find just as many things that have no explanation.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: ]
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immaculate said:
Its good to be open minded, but its hard to be open minded when you've already made up your mind


That sums it up nicely.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Azmodeus]
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I'm reading this crap and laughing.

Az the Swami only answers selectively because he cannot answer. He is ignorant because he is unwilling to even consider a new beleif.

I have stunted his pathetic attacks over and over now and they are getting worse by the day.

New Rule: Anyone picking on the technicalities of wording, ignoring the huge amount of posts explaining/apoligiseing for small errors of language is a fackin penis, awight!

And still nobody can reject this evidence~
Can anyone give me a reason why hundreds of people that have never met claim to have seen the same thing?
Were they all deluded and having a mass hallucination?
Were they all hoaxes built on an international cult that lasted throughout history?
Maybe people really like the idea of aliens abducting,paralysing and fucking with them so they all made it up?

What makes you think they are all hoaxes, what better way to cover up a real event, in a sea of hoaxes. You are the one that has been fooled.
And how do you explain Travis Walton then Swami. I suppose you thought it was a weather balloon pretending to be a giant craft with little grey men inside.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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who are you to say it is NOT a case of a combination of delusions, hoaxes, outright lies for attention, and a few small cases of people who've seen something they can't explain?


edit: it also has been REALLY fucking trendy to be in the "I believe in and/or was abducted by alien spacecraft visiting earth" thing. ever since science FICTION writers started imagining... the public did too.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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Quote:
Can anyone give me a reason why hundreds of people that have never met claim to have seen the same thing?
Were they all deluded and having a mass hallucination?
Were they all hoaxes built on an international cult that lasted throughout history?
Maybe people really like the idea of aliens abducting,paralysing and fucking with them so they all made it up?


The reason why they have seen the same thing is partly because they have all seen the same ufo/alien clich? imagery in the media. And partly because there is an old and strong tendency among humans to anthropomorphize everything that is mysterious. That's why people invented thunder gods, volcano gods, leprechauns etc and believed in such things for thousands of years instead of using the scientific method from the start.

Mass delusions are more common than we like to think. Consider the reports from parts of West Africa about how witches steal penises from innocent men by shaking their hand or by mumbling a magic incantation.

And many chinese men think that eating powdered rhinoceros horn really increases sexual potency. Do their strength in numbers make their belief more true?

Regarding the Travis Walton case, I don't know what the real truth is, but after reading this australian article I am a little suspicious about the claims that were made. Let me inline one quote from the article about the polygraph test that was made:

The kid had failed the test miserably. The polygraph man said it was the plainest case of lying he'd seen in 20 years but the office was yelling for another expert and a different result

Hoaxes are in fact perpetrated in this "business" sometimes.

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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Rhizoid]
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Why, why, why?

Why would a government that is proven to hold and classify information on this subject make a hoax to bring attention to it?

In the Walton Incedent there were 4 witnesses, there were some anomalies with the lie detector test but you really should read the book and llok at the bigger picture.

Albino Jesus, You make me laugh? U kinda missed the point! So your saying you actually beleive abduction to be a trendy phenomena!! How many people have you talked to about this, most people I know are to scared by its very concept to even talk about it.

I mean how many people have a condition that makes them think the mafia are abducting them and taking sperm samples?


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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Many people think aliens abducted them because aliens have been in the media a lot. If you look at the figures you can see there was a huge increase in "abductions" when Sci-Fi became popular and started to write about abductions.

"I mean how many people have a condition that makes them think the mafia are abducting them and taking sperm samples?"
People don't have this condition because they never read a story about this and never heard about this.

People who recall abductions under hypnosis usually fall victim to the greedy hypnotist. They suggest things like "did you see an alien?". Under hypnosis you will say yes. Why would they do this? Because if you believe it you will come back to the hypnotist and pay him more money to do his thing.

"Why would a government that is proven to hold and classify information on this subject make a hoax to bring attention to it?"
Where is the proof that the government has classified info on this? They have classifies info on their own research yes. Like they did on stealth.

I believe in aliens, I just don't believe they are here. If aliens were powerful enough to build these ships, then why would they hide? If aliens hide because they want to study us then why would they leave the light in their ship on?
How do you know you didn't see fireflies?
Please answer this.

Also if you could see aliens as easy as you say, don't you think SETI would be busy with this. Their whole goal is to discover intelligent alien life. Or is SETI just some government conspiracy?


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: cybrbeast]
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Have you ever been hypnotized? It is an exploration of subconscious memory.

We have essentially four mindstates or brain frequencies in which we perceive reality. That is, alpha, beta, theta, delta. Alpha is a sort of trance state, such as when you are driving or meditating. Beta is when you are focused in physical reality.. like having a conversation, shaking someone's hand.. theta is the frequency between awake and asleep, delta is the dream state. 4th and 5th dimensional beings, such as the highly evolved cosmic travellers, do not exist in a beta reality, that frequency is not available to them. Being as how most of our 'valid experiences' occur in beta reality, we are prone to discarding experiences in other states.. the states these beings are able to enter. Meeting aliens involves more than them landing and stepping out of the ship and shaking our hand. That is beta reality. They have taken the first step by making their presence known, and we must take the next step to meet them in the middle. Ego has a lot to do with it, as it generally shuns the presence of non-physical (or in this case higher-vibrational) beings. It threatens the ego's sense of self, so it refuses to perceive that vibration. Regardless, the presence is felt, and that memory is stored in the subconscious. In fact, at this time, all encounters with 'aliens' are experienced and remembered only in the subconscious. This is to protect the fragile ego. As such, memories linger in the subconscious, eventually surfacing in conscious thought. The first step is dissolving the layers between conscious and subconscious mind.

They aren't hiding, we refuse to embrace their reality. Only by meeting in the middle, as equal beings of the universe in love and wonder will there ever be a first contact. They aren't gods and don't want to be seen as such, and we humans, seeing telepathic beings coming from the sky will naturally hail them as some type of god. They aren't. That's why they aren't in our conscious memory, because we attach an archetypal heirarchy to it, and hail them as 'higher'. They aren't higher, we are god, so are they, we're both manifestations of consciousness on individual paths of evolution.

Seti is a bunch of bullshit, designed to cover the fact that alien life had already been communicated with. Alien beings who have the capability to travel through light years of space in anti-gravity ships, do not use such a primitive frequency as RADIO WAVES.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Shroomism]
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Radio waves, bah! Give me GAMMA waves! Woo-hoo! hehe
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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Shroomism]
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do not use such a primitive frequency as RADIO WAVES

Where do you come up with this? Radio waves are merely part of the electromagnetic spectrum as is light. Makes as much sense as saying that blue is a primitive color.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Swami]
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>>>because aliens have been in the media a lot<<<

Sorry, this is untrue. They have been in the media alot in the past 20-30 years. What about the tribe of humans who hail the UFO and grey alien as their god, I saw a documentary on this.

Pictures of aliens and ufos have been depicted everywhere throughout history on all continents. This is not an idea from the media.

You are right that abductions did become popular at the same time but did u consider that people where scared to tell anyone. You've already been abducted, you tell a few close friends, they react badly, you never tell anyone else. Until the social stigma starts to drop! The rise is because people have been able to tell the truth, as some others can now accept.

>>>Where is the proof that the government has classified info on this?<<<
I can't be arsed to get u the proof, look yourself if u care. Maggie Thatcher admitted when she was British Prime Minister "There is secret information to do with UFOs which they won't let me discuss publicly."
The American government classified/destroyed all information to do with the Roswell crash doesn't this seem strange for a balloon.
Theres tons of proof the government hide UFO information. Researchers have been campaining for them to release their old UFO evidence for a long time!


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Shroomism]
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No offence but you people really are delusional. I mean 4th and 5th dimension? Where do you get this stuff? That's just silly. That would be like us visiting the second dimension. Which would mean we would have to be squashed to become 2d. Using a fifth dimension as argument is just lame in my opinion
Also for someone who is experienced in psychedelics I find you are to easily convinced by the mind. If taking a few chemicals can alter our perception this drastically don't you think other weird things can happen in the brain? Or do you think the things we see on psychedelics are also real? Science is telling us how unreliable our brain is. They have even found centers in the brain which cause a religious or spiritual experience.
Abductions can be easily explained by either dreaming or in more serious cases by sleep-paralyses. In the fucked up cases, people just lie to get attention or to belong to the "believers" group.
Just look at old times when witches and seamonsters were partly accepted by society. There were tons of sightings of these creatures then. Now there still are Loch Ness, Chupacabra and Bigfoot sightins. Or do you believe in these to?

"seeing telepathic beings coming from the sky will naturally hail them as some type of god"
How can you make this generalisation? If they came from the sky or just communicated with us in a normal and sensical way I wouldn't believe they were gods because I don't believe in god, I would just believe they'd have really advanced technology.

If they wanted to communicate with us they would show their precense in a scientifically provable way. Because I and many people like me won't accept aliens out of faith, a dream, a vision, psychosis or a dot of light in the sky.

About these brain states. I only believe the one I am in now as a state where real perception takes place. I am open for the concept of telepathic communication (because I have seen research on EM waves that can alter our brainwaves, so why couldn't we communicate through more advanced machines). But why would aliens employ such a technique if they could convince us much more easily through direct communication.

"Only by meeting in the middle, as equal beings of the universe in love and wonder will there ever be a first contact"
How could we ever be equal beings if you claim they have super-developed technology, telepathic abilities and live in the 4th and/or 5th dimension. We and our mental capabilities would be to them like bugs are to us. This sentence makes no sense to me.

You might call radiowaves primitive but the point of SETI is that each civilization goes through a phase maybe a thousand years or a thousand millenia in which they utilise radio waves. So if they are from thousands of light years away their old radio signals should be reaching us now.

You say they are cosmic travellers who have faster than light ships and who originated in the 4th and 5th dimension. Why would these guys need to travel through our dimension? Our dimension is puny to them. Like the 2nd dimension is to us. If they are from a fifth dimension it would be logical to assuma they can enter our dimension at any point they like, so they wouldn't need to travel.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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I believe Thatcher was talking about a secret organization in Britain that was supposed to investigate UFO claims. This organization has now been dismantled. And they never found proof btw.
Please show me a historical picture of a gray from history. It would be logical to assume that some people of old would believe in UFO's because they could also see meteors, fireflies, comets etc.
These people believed in this stuff because they had no science to debunk it. People who believe in visitors now are like people who believed in witches.
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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: cybrbeast]
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So if they are from thousands of light years away their old radio signals should be reaching us now.


Actually there is no chance we could detect radio broadcasts similar to our own from a distance of more than about 0.1 light years. SETI is based on the assumption that there are civilizations out there who are pointing strong narrow beams of radio signals directly at us in order for us to discover them.

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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Rhizoid]
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Did some research and you appear to be right. Disregard that statement :smile:
They are focusing on relatively nearby stars.
SETI seems pretty futile then..


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Albino_Jesus]
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Albino_Jesus said:
ever since science FICTION writers started imagining... the public did too.



And that painting done in the 1700's?


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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"It is not satellites, it is not space debris and if it is not human."

Well, geez. There I was thinking that's maybe what it was, but then you said it wasn't with absolutely no evidence to back it up. Are you or any of your friends astronomers? Do you have any real education on the topic of studying and analysing the night sky?

Do you honestly believe that professionals who do this for a living don't see the shit you've seen on a regular basis and have logical explanations for it?

The only reason you're believing this is because you want to believe. You have no solid evidence, your only argument is that you can't prove it's NOT an alien.

This is a stupid, stupid, stupid post.

This is no more logical than "The earth is obviously flat, just look around you."


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Azmodeus]
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Azmodeus said:
Albino_Jesus said:
ever since science FICTION writers started imagining... the public did too.


And that painting done in the 1700's?



That's a nice PAINTING. Hell, if paintings proved anything, I'd believe in this guy:


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Sclorch]
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that painting is fake.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Azmodeus]
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That painting could be the sky opening up and god's wrath coming through. Or they also believed in UFO's why wouldn't they. They were even more stupid than people are now.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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danoEoboy, about your test. I will happily take it. I'm going to one of the islands in northern Holland on the 11th of August. The skies are really clear there. I can see sattelites etc. Now if I sit on the beach for 2 hours do you think I will see activity?


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Sclorch]
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Sclorch said:
Azmodeus said:
Albino_Jesus said:
  ever since science FICTION writers started imagining... the public did too.


And that painting done in the 1700's?
 


That's a nice PAINTING.  Hell, if paintings proved anything, I'd believe in this guy:
 


Hahahahahh....LOL!! :lol:...good point.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Azmodeus]
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I never went camping this weekend, so i was unable to take the test.... :frown:


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Azmodeus]
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Phluck the only reason you do not belive is because you do not want to. It probably scares you to accept this, like it did me as a child. When I had a close encounter I spent years having nightmares.

Its only human to want to understand everything, some things can't be explained.

To cyberBeast yes you will. Something else I noticed was the UFOs (obvoiusly we saw plenty of satellites and shooting stars other phenomena, these were disregarded) are very active after midnight. I am no astronemer but I have research sky phenomena on the net for years now, not just UFO but debris,satellite and metoer behaviour.

>>>Do you honestly believe that professionals who do this for a living don't see the shit you've seen on a regular basis and have logical explanations for it?<<<

Yes I do beleive that. However, a logical explaination is only valid within your own selective pattern of logic.

My logic was altered be external factors at a young age, the rest, was guess work and intellgience. All I know for sure is they are here and have been for a very long time.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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"Phluck the only reason you do not belive is because you do not want to"

No, it's because I haven't seen any evidence. You say you saw some twinkly things and this is supposed to be enough evidence for me to believe that aliens are visiting us? Sorry, but I'm not brain damaged.

"Its only human to want to understand everything, some things can't be explained"

Sure some things can't be explained. So why the fuck are you trying to tell me that you know the answers? You can't explain the things you saw, but you claim you know for sure that they are aliens. That sounds pretty fucking dumb to me.


">>>Do you honestly believe that professionals who do this for a living don't see the shit you've seen on a regular basis and have logical explanations for it?<<<

Yes I do beleive that. However, a logical explaination is only valid within your own selective pattern of logic."

So people who know things about space don't see aliens, but those who don't, do?



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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
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you noticed....secret government spy jets?



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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
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The Universe is highly populated.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
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I highly doubt that governement spy jets can travel behind the stars. Three people witnessed this.


These UFOs travelled behind the stars? Considering that the distance to the nearest star Alpha Centauri is about 4 light-years, any movement across the sky that is visible to the naked eye at that distance would mean a speed that is many times the speed of light if the real motion is tangential, or a speed that is close to the speed of light if the real motion is radial towards us with only a small tangential component. And it would have to be a flying object that shines as bright as a small star in order to be visible from 4 light-years away. And through some amazing coincidence, this has never happened while professional astronomers were looking.

Is this really the most likely explanation, or should we look for other ones?

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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Rhizoid]
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Stop poking logical holes in their fantasies.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Swami]
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Swami a fantasy is your outlook on reality.
Your arguements got you no where I have popped every single one like a pathetic bubble, therefore you are living in blind fantasy.

Thanks MattzDope! You understand what I'm on about! Everyone else here just assumes your some media influenced/deluded druggie. Well I have always questioned everything and believe me I don't even watch TV and I am not taking any regular drugs (2-3 times shroomin a year!)

>>>So people who know things about space don't see aliens, but those who don't, do?<<<

Who are you to assert this fact. AS I have already stated an astronomer called J.Allen Hynek was not a beleiver until the government employed him to study their "moving stars". He is now a leading investigator of the phenomena.

If you beleive experts are not witnessing then look at this fool:

www.DISCLOSUREPROJECT.ORG

These are ex-military officials, scientists, aviation officers, pilots, lawyers, people from every walk of life!


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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Ah, the Disclosure Project featuring (Dr.) Steven Greer; the nutcase who organized a group to go out into the Nevada desert to signal UFOs with flashlights. I can see why you put faith in their writings.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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Phluck the only reason you do not belive is because you do not want to.

I see. Desire to believe supercedes evidence and critical thinking.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Swami]
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I have witnessed UFO phenomenon in the last month in the middle of the night around 1-2 a.m., hovering then shooting away. Just my two cents, I have no desire to prove or disprove what I saw but I think you might be on to something DanE. Kind of exciting to think about anyways.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Judas]
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Have swami and pluck seen the phenomenon?...have you guys had a chance to even take the challenge? I don't believe because i haven't seen anything to prove otherwise, but i will sit and look next time i have a chance.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Azmodeus]
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>>>Desire to believe supercedes evidence and critical thinking<<<

For you Swami YES.

As I have considered evidence from every angle and done years of critical thinking.

I am still willing to change my view now.

In fact I would rather beleive the evidence and critical thinking I have done is wrong. But I can only beleive truth.

There is to much evidence which cannot all be debunked by a couple of people on the internet saying its all "nutcases".


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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Anybody else hear find it odd that Swami argues that 'I have a desire to believe'. I being danoEoboy.

Even though, he is making his desire to disbelieve so obvious through lack of evidence or arguements for his case.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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Azmo, I doubt they have necks that turn upwards. This has obviously hampered them from realising there is a sky. But hey, the Earth looks flat, so it must be right? I mean a globe, I've never seen that from space with my own eyes!


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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There is to much evidence which cannot all be debunked by a couple of people on the internet saying its all "nutcases".


A thousand years ago people thought that Aurora Borealis was blood from martyrs pouring up from the earth into the sky.

I have seen the Aurora with my own eyes four times in my life, which averages to about once per decade, and despite this I would not hesitate to debunk anyone who says that all evidence shows that it must be the blood from martyrs flowing to Heaven. "Nutcase" would probably be one of the words I'd use. But none of this would diminish the reality of the Aurora.

There is a big difference between denying people's observations and criticizing the theories they propose to explain those observations. The evidence deserves to be examined, and the theories deserve to be put on trial. Unfortunately the theories about UFOs being alien spaceships don't seem to survive critical scrutiny for very long.

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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Rhizoid]
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...because no 'credible scientist' will give UFOs any serious research. Even though they are a worlwide phenomenon, unexplained thus far, with sightings increasing significantly every year. No, that's not something worth researching. It's obviously all weather balloons and secret military ships.

No scientist will even touch the subject. They just debunk, debunk, debunk. It's just a bunch of nutcases who think they saw ships travelling faster than the speed of light. The whole world is delusional. I will refuse to accept any standpoint except for this one until you prove me wrong.

First, you would have to convince the skeptics that UFOs are even a phenomenon, and that they aren't a product of the military. The possibility that there may be aliens flying them is a moot point... you'd have to get serious scientific minds to acknowledge them... which THEY WONT.

It's happening over and over. Sightings and sightings and experiences and sightings. Over and over the skeptics come and say it was military flares...weather balooons... secret military ships... delusional nutcases...sorry. They don't fly secret military ships all over the world in plain site of everyone to see. And secret military ships can't turn on a dime at mach 50.

Science first needs to accept that we have unexplained aircraft flying around our skies and being spotted all the time. Then they need to pull their stubborn heads out of their asses and seriously research it, Instead of just assuming it is something else, and brushing it off, and chalking it up to a bunch of crazies. That's not the scientific method.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Shroomism]
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It's just a bunch of nutcases who think they saw ships travelling faster than the speed of light.

You would not be able to see anything traveling faster than the speed of light. This is basic physics.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Swami]
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"It's just a bunch of nutcases who think they saw ships travelling faster than the speed of light."

""You would not be able to see anything traveling faster than the speed of light. This is basic physics. ""

Well, exactly, it was the NUTCASES who saw them traveling at the speed of light, cause they were nuts/

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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Swami]
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>>>don't seem to survive critical scrutiny for very long<<<

Rhizoid what do you base this assertion on?

I believe anyone reading this thread who knows UFO's exsist carefully will be able to see UFO's probably are alien spacecraft. There are many reasons for this, though, mainly based on the human reaction to UFO's. Also, it is the most simplest and obvious answer if you look at our world and evolution then assume this applies to the universe then it becomes obviouse a higher chain is their.

I have read your link that tars elves, ghosts, UFO's, witches ETC into the same catagory and I think this is very unscientific and dangerous. I understand the nature of the text i.e Refering to how easily we can be deluded, and understand this but I think what you have done is short sighted to say all mystisicm is the same. A major factor you have ignored is the amount of reports over the history of all time. Check how many ghosts and UFO's have been seen by the human race, ever, compared to say elves and you've found a major anomally!


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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UFOLOGY Logic

Part 1

1. I saw a light in the sky that I could not identify. However, I could identify it as an alien probe.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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Shroomism said:
...because no 'credible scientist' will give UFOs any serious research.


danoEoboy said:
>>>don't seem to survive critical scrutiny for very long<<<

Rhizoid what do you base this assertion on?


There are scientists who do research that may explain the UFO phenomenon, both the psychological side (hallucinations of being abducted by aliens) and the physical side (the causes behind unidentified flying lights or metallic-looking objects).

Plasma objects glow in darkness, and look like metals when illuminated by bright light. They can accelerate and change their motion very quickly, and they can produce very strong electromagnetic fields. I think identifying flying gray disks with plasma objects is a much better application of Occam's Razor than identifying them with spaceships that use impossible propulsion systems and have travelled to our planet from star systems 400 light-years away.

As for the abduction reports, scientists have learned much more about false memories uncovered by hypnosis than what was known 40 years ago, when Betty and Barney Hill reported their abduction story.

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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Swami]
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"UFOLOGY Logic

Part 1

1. I saw a light in the sky that I could not identify. However, I could identify it as an alien probe."

Exactly. You claim that you've done lots of critical thinking and weighed out the evidence, but you haven't actually given us adequate evidence that these things you saw are aliens.

I believe you this far: You saw some things that you could not identify.

But in order to say that these things are aliens, you'd need to see them up close. You'd have to see what's inside of them. Take photographs to prove that you're not just making things up, or dreaming, or hallucinating. Have others investigate the whole thing to make sure it's not a huge prank being pulled on you.

You see? There are so many other possibilities that when you say that they are for sure aliens, you're jumping to conclusions. There is no way to know for sure.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Phluck]
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Another thing: We know for sure that people pull pranks, and misidentify things. We know that people hallucinate and have wild delusions.

We don't know for sure if there are aliens visiting the earth.

Therefore, it's less likely that it's aliens.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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"Check how many ghosts and UFO's have been seen by the human race, ever, compared to say elves and you've found a major anomally!"

Actually, if you look back a few hundred years to when beliefs in angels, fairies, and elves were commonplace, people saw them all the time.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Phluck]
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Logical points...


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Azmodeus]
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>>>you'd need to see them up close<<<

You've obviously read nothing i've said.

>>>Actually, if you look back a few hundred years to when beliefs in angels, fairies, and elves were commonplace, people saw them all the time<<<

This statement is exluding the fact, that, UFO's and ghost have been a global phenomena for all time, not just 1 small slot of time.





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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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The debate rages on.

>>>scientists have learned much more about false memories uncovered by hypnosis than what was known 40 years ago<<<

True. But I have not heard that it is possible to plant a complete story such as B&B.Hill through hypnosis. If that were true is it not extremly dangerous that its common practice today, imagine some of the other uses of this memory implantation, don't you think you'd be hearing about it regularly?

Also, what about the many memories that spurred these people to go and have hypnosis anyway!!!


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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We know that there are frequnecies, colors, sounds well beyond what humans can hear or even use instruments to interpret. Physical evidence? When something can go from one dimension to the next in a heartbeat how do you expect to get evidence. The problem is that people who really havent had experiences will often be skeptic.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: 2Experimental]
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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: LikwidDrawp]
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We know that there are frequnecies, colors, sounds well beyond what humans can hear or even use instruments to interpret.
We know that BECAUSE we have instruments to measure these frequencies.

When something can go from one dimension to the next in a heartbeat how do you expect to get evidence.
(Is this a question?) And you, of course, know that those tiny specks of light are inter-dimensional shifting how?

The problem is that people who really havent had experiences will often be skeptic.
How is this, in any way, a problem? The problem is there is no hard evidence.



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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
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Can any of you deny that there is other forms of "life" or "existance" that we have not discovered or even began to fathom yet?

I can confirm that we have not discovered any other life forms as of yet. While we may certainly speculate about life on other planets, it is impossible to extrapolate off of a sample size of one.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
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"Can any of you deny that there is other forms of "life" or "existance" that we have not discovered or even began to fathom yet? The universe is endless. "

I can't deny that of course, but you can't deny for sure, that there isn't a secret base in the middle of venus inhabited by Mormon pandas.

Before you decide that one possibility is more likely than another, you need some sort of evidence.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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But I have not heard that it is possible to plant a complete story such as B&B.Hill through hypnosis. If that were true is it not extremly dangerous that its common practice today, imagine some of the other uses of this memory implantation, don't you think you'd be hearing about it regularly?


Yes, it is dangerous, and we are hearing more and more about it. For example, check out this story about a woman who sued her therapist for implanting incest memories that turned out to be provably false.

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Also, what about the many memories that spurred these people to go and have hypnosis anyway!!!


It was Barney Hill's nightmares after the UFO encounter that was the reason for this. I don't think it's hard for a hypnotist to turn dreams into false memories, without even actually trying.

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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Rhizoid]
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the evidence is in people's faces that see the UFO's but many people never see them, nor do they meditate, and they make simple conclusions. ever been to south point hawaii? ever talk to anyone that has been there?


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: LikwidDrawp]
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>>>Before you decide that one possibility is more likely than another, you need some sort of evidence<<<

This is exactly what I have tried to do!!!

We know theirs no first hand evidence (unless you where lucky). This leaves us to base conclusions on likelyness. My conclusions have had string after string of evidence attached where as I've seen hardly any for the other side of the argument.

My major points:
1. The phenomena has no boundaries i.e Global, Historical (Unlike many other comparisons such as elves/fairies)
2. There are very credible people making witness statements. This includes all walks of life Scientists and politicians to tramps and aborigenes.
3. The UK & US governments have openly admitted to classifing documents relating to UFO's. What are they hiding?
4. If UFO's were piloted by the Human race, how did we obtain the tech b4 we even had cars? Why would a government craft attack a military installation? There are several reports from multiple trained military personal about UFO's appearing over bases.
5. Why would we bother hiding the tech for this long? If the craft were human like stealth, the info, would of been released by now.
6. Humans do not have a desire to beleive in something that harms them. The god theory as with Heavens Gate showed smiling aliens that were alledgedly coming to save them if they commited suicide. A god is a protecting power to giv u faith. Most people are shit scared of the prospect of aliens and abduction, I know I am.

B4 you start to hack at me, please check my other posts above to make sure we haven't already covered what you are about to say.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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I find it intruiging why Swami is so passionately denying the existance of UFO's or "aliens", clearly he has a soft-spot on this subject, as I do when it comes to "God".

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I can confirm that we have not discovered any other life forms as of yet. While we may certainly speculate about life on other planets, it is impossible to extrapolate off of a sample size of one.


You seem to be standing by, what can only be described as medieval science, you comment although compelling sounds backwards to me. Speculation and imagination are key to scientific/technological development, how can we explore new possibilities if we constantly focus on what is proven and "right". Theories are constantly proven/disproven, its how we take steps forward. Undoubtley there are things that are beyond our perception whether it be physical or mental and there are things that we cannot (and never will be able to explain). This whole thread seems to be centered on "the grey aliens" that come and take people to their spaceships that inspire awe and terror and probe people with objects while they're paralysed. But there are things on our planet that cannot be explained rationally, we barely understand ourselves let alone the vast volume that is space. We are one species with one percption of life and conciousness and as you put it

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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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1. The phenomena has no boundaries i.e Global, Historical (Unlike many other comparisons such as elves/fairies)


I thought all dreams and repressed "memories" of abductions started with Barney and Betty Hill in 1961? This was after a decade of science fiction movies about aliens, and in a climate full of cold war anxiety, and lots of media interest in the UFO phenomenon. The fear of aliens was present already in 1938 when the broadcast of Orson Welles' radio dramatization of "War of the Worlds" caused panic among people who thought we were being invaded by aliens.

The other part of the UFO phenomenon, sightings of round flying objects, is different. Since plasma balls can be created by thunderstorms, such objects have probably been around since this planet was formed, so it would not be surprising if they have been spotted all around the globe and throughout history.

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2. There are very credible people making witness statements. This includes all walks of life Scientists and politicians to tramps and aborigenes.


Anyone can see a plasma ball. See above.

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3. The UK & US governments have openly admitted to classifing documents relating to UFO's. What are they hiding?


Wasn't all of that military stuff? I did some work for the military many years ago, and my experience is that they will classify anything as top secret, regardless how trivial it is. They would classify the number "pi" if they could. Think about your worst pot-induced paranoia and then multiply with a 100. Then you get the baseline paranoia level for the military...

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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: LikwidDrawp]
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"he evidence is in people's faces that see the UFO's "

That's evidence that those people think they saw UFOs.

Maybe even evidence that they actually did see UFOs. But remember, UFO stands for "Unidentified Flying Object", which does not mean "alien".



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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Phluck]
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But remember, UFO stands for "Unidentified Flying Object", which does not mean "alien".

Quit with the sense-making already!


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Sclorch]
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>>>abductions started with Barney and Betty Hill in 1961<<<

No, reports did come earlier, although, evidence is hard to find. I believe their is very good reason for this though, explained in a chinese proverb in my 2nd post.

For instance: Proffesor George Adamski 1953, Doctor Daniel Fry 1954 claimed not only to have seen UFO's but to of encountered their occupants.

>>>Anyone can see a plasma ball<<<

Agreed although doesn't this come from lightning, wheres the lightning on a clear night? Can plasma do a 90 degree direction change? (Note this is based on personal sightings) Also, most aviators and military who have often been part of these witness would surely be able to distinguish between the 2.

>>>experience is that they will classify anything as top secret<<<

MayBe true, it would indeed be wise. Usually information is declassified within a matter of years. With UFO's it was decades and only thanks to a selected few politicians,scientists that helped campain for release of the data.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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The fish takes for granted that the medium it knows is the true element - indeed, the only element. Why should it imagine otherwise? One day, a particular fish swims into a remote part of the lake and sees a strange object above. The fish has no name for what it sees from below, but we who are above would call the object a 'bobber'. Amazed, the fish returns to its school & tells of what it has seen. The story is impressive , but the other fish are not so interested. After all there is always fresh kelp to find, not to mention larger, hungy fish to avoid. News of such strange objects can only be a dangerous distraction to the overall affairs of the school. Over time, however, others see the bobber, and a robust set of legends grows. Then, on a particular day, a fish happens to swim too close to the object and gets 'hooked'. Suddenly this fish finds itself pulled up and out, into a vast and altogether amazing realm of above and beyond. Those who have snagged the fish and reeled it in, after analysing the creature according to particular criteria, decide the fish is not a 'keeper' and toss it back. Bewildered, the fish makes it back with an even more incredible tale to tell about another world - a very different world - populated by the most marvelous of beings. Depending on how this news is revealed and recieved, the fish is deified, eaten, or simply isolated from the rest of the school, where it is left to muse aloud, 'water'! We live and swim in water! I have just now seen that which is not in water! I have just now that which is not water: I have glimpsed "dry land," and "open sky." Does anyone hear me? does anyone care?

Close encounters of the forth kind. C.B.D Brian


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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The fish that is not prepared to consider the idea that perhaps the dry land was a figment of its imagination is a fool as well, until it can be proven that there is dry land.

You are claiming that we are not opening our eyes to what is real. The problem is, you've convinced yourself that one possibility is real, without any evidence, and you are closing your mind to all the other possibilities.

I admit that there is a possibility that aliens are visiting us, but the fact is, there is no decent evidence to support that claim. All we have are anecdotal stories, which are proof of nothing.

It seems quite likely that people believe in aliens the way many believe in religion. They believe because they want to believe, and because they believe in what they are told. Their experiences may be dreams and delusions, influenced by reports of the "alien abductions".

We know for sure that people sometimes believe odd and illogical things, and we know that people can experience delusions. We don't know for certain if there is life from elsewhere in the univserve that is visiting our planet.

Since it cannot be proven either way, it is quite foolish to claim that you know the answers.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Phluck]
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>>>without any evidence<<<

Are you completly ignorant, I present my eveidence over and over, here have it again...

1. The phenomena has no boundaries i.e Global, Historical (Unlike many other comparisons such as elves/fairies)
2. There are very credible people making witness statements. This includes all walks of life Scientists and politicians to tramps and aborigenes.
3. The UK & US governments have openly admitted to classifing documents relating to UFO's. What are they hiding?
4. If UFO's were piloted by the Human race, how did we obtain the tech b4 we even had cars? Why would a government craft attack a military installation? There are several reports from multiple trained military personal about UFO's appearing over bases.
5. Why would we bother hiding the tech for this long? If the craft were human like stealth, the info, would of been released by now.
6. Humans do not have a desire to beleive in something that harms them. The god theory as with Heavens Gate showed smiling aliens that were alledgedly coming to save them if they commited suicide. A god is a protecting power to giv u faith. Most people are shit scared of the prospect of aliens and abduction, I know I am.


Wheres your evidence phluck, you've written a load of spluck!

>>>it is quite foolish to claim that you know the answers<<<

I'm telling what I saw and the conclusions I've made from research and study. Who do you think you are to call me foolish. This is my logic and fuck you if your to dumb to understand.




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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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For instance: Proffesor George Adamski 1953, Doctor Daniel Fry 1954 claimed not only to have seen UFO's but to of encountered their occupants.


Well, Adamski was a mythomaniac who falsely claimed to be a professor. I don't know who Daniel Fry is, but the point is that reports of abduction by flying saucer crews have been an epidemic during the last half-century only. Reports of seeing strange lights and shiny things in the air is a much older phenomenon. They are not the same phenomenon.

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Agreed although doesn't this come from lightning, wheres the lightning on a clear night? Can plasma do a 90 degree direction change? (Note this is based on personal sightings) Also, most aviators and military who have often been part of these witness would surely be able to distinguish between the 2.


Distinguish between what? Don't you mean they would surely be able to identify a plasma ball as a plasma ball instead of reporting it as unidentified? I don't think so. How many aviators are familiar with plasma balls?

A plasma ball has the density of a gas, so it can perform very sudden movements and accelerations with very little inertia.

It's estimated that there are on average 100 lightning discharges per second in the Earth's atmosphere, every day. It is also possible that plasma balls can be created by tornados and by electromagnetic activities in the Earth's crust. So there are potentially lots of sources. And we don't really know how long a large plasma ball can survive, so it might be possible for it to travel far away from where it was created.

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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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3. The UK & US governments have openly admitted to classifing documents relating to UFO's. What are they hiding?

So, we shouldn't believe what the US government/Dept. of Defense/[insert official here] tells us about the War on Drugs, the War on Iraq, the French, etc., but WE SHOULD believe what they say about aliens, UFOs, and the like?

I suppose this belief-calculus is too confusing for morons like myself, right?


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Sclorch]
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>>>but WE SHOULD believe what they say about aliens, UFOs, and the like?<<<

Why believe? Why black and white? Why not consider the likelyness of possibilities? Question everything. Determine possible but changeable conclusions from probability and likelyness.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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Rhizoid I accept your statement on plasma balls and have altered my theories accordingly. I agree that lights in the sky could be down to plasma balls (not all but many of the extremes that appear to be UFO's). I cannot accept fully because I saw 1 star that was there for 4 hours completely stationery and then started to vibrate and took off slowly gaining acceleration until was gone. This surely couldn't of been plasma? You're right in that they are two seperate phenomena that have been linked.

>>>reports of abduction by flying saucer crews have been an epidemic during the last half-century only<<<

This is possibly because the world has only just become ready to start accepting these stories, as in the chinese proverb the fish would be eaten.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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"1. The phenomena has no boundaries i.e Global, Historical (Unlike many other comparisons such as elves/fairies)"

Sure, people have always been seeing things in the sky that they couldn't identify. This is still NOT EVIDENCE that what they saw were aliens. This is only evidence that people saw things in the sky.

"2. There are very credible people making witness statements. This includes all walks of life Scientists and politicians to tramps and aborigenes."

Any decent scientist knows that anecdotal evidence, whether it be from one person, or one thousand, is not proof of anything. No matter how credible someone is, they are still prone to believe in ludicrous things.

"3. The UK & US governments have openly admitted to classifing documents relating to UFO's. What are they hiding?"

Who knows? This is DEFINATELY not evidence that the UFO's are aliens though. Maybe they're hiding the fact that the things are their own spaceships.

"4. If UFO's were piloted by the Human race, how did we obtain the tech b4 we even had cars? Why would a government craft attack a military installation? There are several reports from multiple trained military personal about UFO's appearing over bases."

UFO's are "Unidentified flying objects", not only do we not know what they are, we aren't even sure if they're space ships. How do you know for certain that a lot of the older reports are not misidentified birds or space phenomena?

"5. Why would we bother hiding the tech for this long?"

Well, that's assuming that they are human craft as well, and not just a mass delusion. If they were human craft, there's plenty of reason to keep it secret.

"If the craft were human like stealth, the info, would of been released by now."

What makes you say that? Why would it have been released by now? Are you privy to the US government's policy on handling top secret data?

"6. Humans do not have a desire to beleive in something that harms them. The god theory as with Heavens Gate showed smiling aliens that were alledgedly coming to save them if they commited suicide. A god is a protecting power to giv u faith. Most people are shit scared of the prospect of aliens and abduction, I know I am."

People also like to believe things that will make them sound correct. They will alter their own worldview so that it fits better with their theories, and I'm going to have to give you a big thanks, because you provided me with a perfect example right here. Many, many religions are based on the fear of god, and his wrath. Are you aware of the old testament?

If you are blatantly ignoring key data when making a small statement like that, how can I trust your ability to analyse other information? How are you able to trust your own judgement?

None of what you listed off was anywhere near solid evidence that aliens exist. Some of it was good evidence that people think aliens exist, and some of it was decent arguments against some of the opposing viewpoints. But an argument is not the same thing as evidence.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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"I'm telling what I saw and the conclusions I've made from research and study. Who do you think you are to call me foolish. This is my logic and fuck you if your to dumb to understand."

Whoa! I've hit one hell of a nerve!

First of all, I have no faith in your research. Your posts have demonstrated quite clearly that you have little to no understanding of the scientific process and what constitutes good evidence.

Allow me to whip up some equally good evidence PROOVING BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT that there is a god.

1. Millions upon millions belive in him and have reported sightings. This has transcended generations and borders.

2. Many of these people are politicians, scientists, and other very credible people.

3. The vatican has openly admitting to classifying information, what could they possibly be hiding? (Hint: It's proof!)

4. If there is no god, then where did everything come from? Answer me that one!

5. If god didn't exist, how come when I prayed to him to win my 4th grade basketball tournament, I won?

6. If God didn't exist people wouldn't believe in him.

If you can understand the logical flaws in these arguments, surely you'll be able to understand your own errors.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Phluck]
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Your post was so convincing that I am now a believer in God. Thank you for showing me the light.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Phluck]
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Before you decide that one possibility is more likely than another, you need some sort of evidence.


I'm still trying to figure out why those aliens visit me all the time.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Shroomism]
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Nothing like leaving yourself wide open, but I will show amazing restraint.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Swami]
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>>>surely you'll be able to understand your own errors.<<<

It is your personal view that I have made errors obviously, I don't think I have.

I do understand your argument though, there is no evidence which is why I said it was based on likelyness. I am not a scientist nor do I ever plan to beleive that science is the sole logic, if I did, then I would be disregarding many personal paranormal/spiritual phenomena because science can explain it, well, sorry but the explainations don't work for me.

How can I change something that I have seen and experienced. I can't therefore I must experience,question and conclude. The problem is convincing anybody else what you have seen is impossible.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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When I was a boy I saw a UFO at close range. I was no more than 40 meters from the craft. It was roughly the size of 2 cars. It was a silver disc shaped craft with a raised center and red and yellow lights alternating all around the lower rim. As it appeared, out of nowhere, a humming sound was also heard. The craft hovered, tilted and landed allowing me in the process to see the roof of the craft which was covered in "tubing" or random pipework. The craft left a circle in the grass where it landed and grass would not grow there for years after.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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That's certainly something.


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I agree that lights in the sky could be down to plasma balls (not all but many of the extremes that appear to be UFO's). I cannot accept fully because I saw 1 star that was there for 4 hours completely stationery and then started to vibrate and took off slowly gaining acceleration until was gone. This surely couldn't of been plasma?


No, that doesn't sound right for a plasma ball. And I can think of no reason for a spacecraft or atmospheric flying machine, alien-made or manmade, to move around the Earth for 4 hours in a way that made it look like a distant star from one particular point of view. From another point of view the motion through near-Earth space should have been clearly visible. Were there no other reports from nearby places about people seeing strange lights that night?

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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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When I was a boy I saw a UFO at close range

So by seeing the exterior of a vehicle you could discern the inhabitants and the point of origin? Please explain.


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Swami]
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So by seeing the exterior of a vehicle you could discern the inhabitants and the point of origin? Please explain.

The bumper sticker gave it away... "I  :heart: Plaedia"


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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Swami]
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>>>I can think of no reason for a spacecraft or atmospheric flying machine, alien-made or manmade, to move around the Earth for 4 hours in a way that made it look like a distant star from one particular point of view<<<

This perplexes me too. I mean if it were aliens or human why/why/why?But then I know it happened. I believe it was an intelligence from another planet all I can say is they must have an agenda in which they don't mind making themselves obviouse at times to obtain whatever it is they want.

No there was no other reports that i know of, but another fisherman saw it too and was very amuzed and confused by the strange star. Having said that though what I saw as a child should of been noticed by someone else, it was so obvious, but there for no longer than 30 seconds though.

>>>So by seeing the exterior of a vehicle you could discern the inhabitants and the point of origin? Please explain<<<

I already have.





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Re: A big reason why aliens DO exist! [Re: Ego Death]
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Dano!...WHY, are you still trying to convince people?...anyone with half a brain can see you believe what your saying, but regardless it is impossible to prove they exist.....or not exist....



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