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Offline3eyedgod
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Re: There isn't intelligent life out there reason [Re: Strumpling]
    #1096831 - 11/29/02 09:27 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not saying I believe it's going to happen. I'm just saying it would be cool if it did.


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OfflineAdamist
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Re: There isn't intelligent life out there reason [Re: Murex]
    #1096921 - 11/29/02 10:13 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think it's density as much as a mindset or another sense-kinda thing.

I think Shroomism was referring to density of consciousness.


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Re: There isn't intelligent life out there reason [Re: Murex]
    #1096943 - 11/29/02 10:24 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

"I prefer not to look forward to anything. It's always a let-down."

what I mean is I'm looking forward to it because I'm definitely interested to see what will happen with these people who center their existence around these moments - will they simply say "whoops.... uhh looks like we were wrong.. nevermind folks." will they just push the deadline back further.... i'm interested :smile:


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Re: There isn't intelligent life out there reason [Re: Strumpling]
    #1096968 - 11/29/02 10:32 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Something has to happen sometime, right?  :wink:


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What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
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Re: There isn't intelligent life out there reason [Re: Murex]
    #1096974 - 11/29/02 10:36 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

well what many people don't notice is that "something" is always happening, and its slow - its never some instant process where suddenly one day everybody will wake up and POW everything is different. Change is a slow process - evolution is a very very CAREFUL and TIME-CONSUMING process, and it doesn't fuck around with instant changes - thats pretty risky.

BUT of course, thats all just my opinion - I'm no scientist/biologist/whatever


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Re: There isn't intelligent life out there reason [Re: Strumpling]
    #1096982 - 11/29/02 10:39 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, a lot of people think evolution happens all of the sudden. I just smack them upside the head and tell them they are a dumbass.

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Re: There isn't intelligent life out there reason [Re: Strumpling]
    #1096984 - 11/29/02 10:39 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Imagine if gravity suddenly stopped existing.  That would be one hell of a sudden change :wink:


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Re: There isn't intelligent life out there reason [Re: 3eyedgod]
    #1701757 - 07/10/03 05:40 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

hmmm.. so have you learn anything NEW from your alien friends, shroomism?


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Re: There isn't intelligent life out there reason [Re: DrBonG]
    #1701843 - 07/10/03 07:38 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

"A planet's biosphere could grow and change and die and regrow for infinity without producing a creature with a brain larger than a walnut or any brain at all."

It could but after millions of years and millions of planets. It happened to us, only ignorance can beleive we are so unique.

"We and our concept of vehicular space travel rose out of unique and no longer existing conditions somewhere in east Africa, and we aren't likely to find anything similar on other planets."

Why is it unique for a human to have the survival instinct to get off this planet and the common sense to speed up transport? An alien regardless of how it evolved must follow at least some universal trends. I think any animal that is living, by definition, must try to continue its own existance even if in the case of most animals its just running away. For a more intelligent animal many of the ideas we as humans have had would be universal.


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Re: There isn't intelligent life out there reason [Re: Ego Death]
    #1702185 - 07/10/03 12:43 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I thought everyone saw the dimensional travelers eventually.... giving enough tripping experience.... I don't know if they're technically "aliens", I think that "angels" or "deamons" might be more fitting. one was "savior cross", one was the "squiggles" (they saved me from the void), some looked like people ("guides"), some there just energy.


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Re: There isn't intelligent life out there reason 2 [Re: Dogomush]
    #1702204 - 07/10/03 12:51 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

You state there are no aliens almost like a fact. That's hilarious.

You're talking about a Universe we cannot even measure.. fuck.. we haven't even left our own solar system.. and you're saying almost beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is almost no way intelligence can exist outside of our own biosphere. I don't know what scientific dogma to disseminate first, but I'm not even going to bother. There is more evidence to suggest there is intelligent life than the opposite.

Besides, what intelligent, highly-evolved, space-exploring beings would want to make open contact with a civilization of savages that can't even get along on their own planet, and get past their silly little egos? We spend more money on war than healthcare. Think about it.


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Re: There isn't intelligent life out there reason 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #1703103 - 07/10/03 05:11 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

so you're really gunna ride this thing all the way, man?

you don't feel like these people have fooled you into anything?

we're the ones being fooled right?


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Re: There isn't intelligent life out there reason 2 [Re: Strumpling]
    #1703124 - 07/10/03 05:15 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Until the bitter end.
Who's being fooled? I care not either way.
Actually I forgot I ever posted in this thread, until I looked at the first page. It's not even worth arguing over.


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Re: There isn't intelligent life out there reason 2 [Re: Dogomush]
    #1704502 - 07/11/03 01:40 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

The calculations and probabilities in the original post are entirely meaningless. How exactly do you prove that something hasn't happened, simply because you've never seen it happen? Furthermore, how can you possibly back that up with a statistic which is also based on a lack of information?

Complete, utter bullshit. That's all there is to it.

I believe that aliens have never been observed to have visited the earth. This is very different then saying that I can prove that they haven't visited.


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Re: There isn't intelligent life out there reason 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #1704582 - 07/11/03 02:15 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Incredibly interesting post. I am glad someone bumped it back up, as it originally happened before I was a member. I haven't decided whether I believe it or not. Crazy stuff though. This has inspired me to go meditate for the first time in a while so that I can clear my mind to think about all of this.


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Re: There isn't intelligent life out there reason 2 [Re: Dogomush]
    #1705092 - 07/11/03 05:56 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Here's a rehash of the arguments why the odds of contact are slim right now.

The reason why we haven't detected any radio signals from other civilizations is that there probably aren't any civilizations within range that are leaking strong enough radiation in all directions. We ourselves have been leaking radio signals into space for only about 80 years, so only civilizations within a sphere with a 80 light-year radius could have noticed them. That limits the number of possible locations for some civilization that might have discovered us through their own SETI program. Another problem is that in order to detect our radio broadcasts they would need radio telescopes a 100 times more sensitive than what we have today in order to detect the signals at a distance of 0.01 light-years (10,000,000,000,000 km).

And even if they somehow miraculously did detect our signals and then decided to point a beacon towards us to try to contact us, the signal would have to be sent out from within 40 light-years in order for us to receive it today.

I also think it's unlikely that a civilization that has discovered radio will continue to leak radio signals into space for more than a couple of hundred years. Broadcast radio gets replaced with more efficient communication technologies. So the only civilizations that can be discovered by looking for radio signals are the ones that by chance are at the same development stage as we are, within a margin of maybe a couple of hundred years.

So the chances of detecting other civilizations through radio signalling are pathetically small, even if there is a copy of the Earth for each star in the galaxy and with a history of life just like ours. The exception is of course if they are more technologically advanced than us and still want to play our little game. I very much doubt that. I'm sure we will find friends out there eventually, but not at this stage of our civilization's development.

And remember, communication at the speed of light comes before space travel. There isn't even any need for space travel once you have established contact. Not until the sun explodes anyway.


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Re: There isn't intelligent life out there reason 2 [Re: Shroomism]
    #1705699 - 07/11/03 01:50 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Personally i can't say im much into the aliens.

I believe that our daily conscieousness does follow a dream/dimensional structure (3rd/4th).

Even though ive never tryed Dmt, i think that the aliens, angels, elfs are parts of ourselfs, or future selfs we at current don't know or understand.

Dmt = future/the next dimension


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Re: There isn't intelligent life out there reason 2 [Re: dawn of a new day]
    #1706867 - 07/11/03 09:00 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

so how'd the meditation session go my man?

Any reflections/thoughts on this?


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Re: There isn't intelligent life out there reason 2 [Re: Strumpling]
    #1706936 - 07/11/03 09:18 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Why haven't the aliens given us the cure for cancer or the theory of everything? No harm in that...



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Re: There isn't intelligent life out there reason 2 [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #1707029 - 07/11/03 09:57 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

"Soon," Shroomnoob, they WILL!

"Soon," it will all be clear.


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