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i don't think aliens exist
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my opinion has changed i dont believ aliens exist  :mad2:

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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: KingOftheThing]
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Are you saying no other lifeforms exist anywhere in the Universe? Or just that they aren't visiting the Earth?


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: KingOftheThing]
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why?


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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: trendal]
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trendal said:
Are you saying no other lifeforms exist anywhere in the Universe? Or just that they aren't visiting the Earth?


well i dont think anyone has ever visited the earth in "spaceships"

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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: KingOftheThing]
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why?~ I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise, but I'm curious as to how you reached this all-encompassing conclusion.


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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: KingOftheThing]
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I don't think we've really been visited yet either. My intuition is that actual interstellar space travel must be perfectly controlled and it must be illegal just cause of how much an accidental contact would screw with developing civilizations (like Earth). Whatever Alien civilizations have survived technological adolescence and advanced to the point where they're able to fly to distant stars and visit foreign planets...they'd by definition have to have developed compassion, not still be conducting experiments on lab rats, and a respect for higher authority.

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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: question_for_joo]
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Why do you think they'd have to have developed compassion? Really awesome spaceships/other forms of transport =/= compassion

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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: vampirism]
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It's also quite possible that a very strict or even fascist style society could progress itself to the point of interstellar travel...perhaps even much QUICKER than a peaceful society could. Using the human example (the only one we have...) you can see how conflict drives technology forward at an incredibly rapid rate.

However if that were the case, I think we would all know about the visiting species quite fast: as they would immediately begin their conquest of Earth :smirk:


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: trendal]
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trendal said:
It's also quite possible that a very strict or even fascist style society could progress itself to the point of interstellar travel...perhaps even much QUICKER than a peaceful society could. Using the human example (the only one we have...) you can see how conflict drives technology forward at an incredibly rapid rate.


I understand but I don't think you're looking at the develop of planetary civilization from a long enough timescale. It's true war has driven much of humanities technological innovation but look how much it's hurt us and we're definitely not out of the woods yet. Remember the most dangerous weapons of mass destruction are sitting in everyone's garage.
A fascist society needs conflict in order to continue. Ok, the Germans weren't fighting each other but they were fighting everyone else. A society that hasn't gotten past conflict would eventually use its own technology to destroy itself.
A strict society is sort of more nebulous to argue against but creativity is often at odds with control and government direction. I think whatever is involved with close-to-light-speed-travel is going to require some highly unorthodox experiments and ideas.

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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: KingOftheThing]
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According to you, for aliens to exist, they would have had to visit earth with spaceships?? there isn't very much logic in this.
So i ask, what has led you to change your beliefs?


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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: exclusive58]
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I think when it comes to the subject of higher lifeforms visiting us, is that it defys so much logic and is so complex that none of us lower lifeforms would ever want to guess that they have seen us. Even after a "close encounter" we seem to just not be able to fully comprehend whats happened and just block it out or deny it.

Others talk and talk and get laughed at.

Once you say they exist, or they dont exist, you leave yourself vunerable to contradiction and confusion You dont leave yourself open to just SEEING what we know and dont know. Theres alot that doesnt make sense, and alot that is just too real to ignore. But if you just keep your eyes to the skys and just try to see one yourself, maybe you can figure out what the reality is, thats if your lucky enough to see one of the scarier UFO's that have been reprted.

Edited by Northernsoul (08/22/04 02:59 PM)

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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: question_for_joo]
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Yes, and you never know what might have been discovered and that has been kept secret for the sake of anyone else knowing about it, and end up having something just as bad as the A-bomb.

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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: Northernsoul]
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Say hello to "quantum explosives"....the next step in humanity's never ending struggle to destroy itself :smirk:


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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: Northernsoul]
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I think when it comes to the subject of higher lifeforms visiting us, is that it defys so much logic and is so complex

I think that with all the knowledge we have on the universe today (like we know there are billions of stars and billions of galaxies, and the universe has existed for billions of years), its rather illogical to say and affirm that other life forms do not exist.

Now i'm not saying that they do exist, and i'm obviously not saying that they don't, but i am trying to feel comfortable with the possibility that they could exist, because when you say that some people tend to block the idea, deny it, or laugh at it, all these reactions come from FEAR. Fear that we might not be alone, fear in regards to what they could do to us (based on movies), and other forms of fear.

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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: KingOftheThing]
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that whole universe and we are it? heh, that's a lot of wasted "space"


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: KingOftheThing]
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How many here believe that KingOfTheThing exists?


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: Swami]
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i know he exists  :grin:


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: Shroomism]
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i dont even know what brought me to the conclusion...a combination of listening to too much terrence mckenna and a lot of mushrooms maybe

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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: trendal]
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trendal said:
However if that were the case, I think we would all know about the visiting species quite fast: as they would immediately begin their conquest of Earth :smirk:


What makes you so sure they haven't?


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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: KingOftheThing]
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I think the Universe is brimming with intelligent life....the odds are in favor of it. Have they been here? Hell no! The distances are too great and the speed of light is the top speed. In the center of the galaxy interstellar civilizations could have formed and established contact with their neighbors due to the close distances and the huge number of stars...out here on the rim, though, it is going to be lonely...

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