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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: Swami]
    #400583 - 09/22/01 02:05 AM (22 years, 5 months ago)

>>I find it hard to comprehend that few people questioned the "knowledge" and "information" presented as factual in a recent 15 page topic. <<

That's right Swami...I'm making all of this stuff up as I go along. All 15 pages of it.
No seriously... it may be hard to comprehend....but noo I think you can handle it.

>>I am all for science fiction and entertainment, and enjoy a good tale as much as anyone, but I hope you shroomerites are not taking this stuff seriously. <<

It's not science fiction, nor is it meant for entertainment purposes. And it is indeed meant to be taken seriously.

>>If I take high doses of shrooms often, will I too, lose the ability to differentiate reality from fantasy when back in normal consciousness? <<

Tell me.... Is my reality your fantasy? Or vice versa? How does one differentiate the two? And where do mushrooms fit into this equation?
Perhaps if you take high doses of shrooms often you will be less susceptible to closed minded thinking.


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: Swami]
    #400585 - 09/22/01 02:14 AM (22 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry I just couldn't help myself I had to reply to this.

>>A scientific hypothesis has nothing to do with someone claiming that they know a mothership is coming in 3 years and are in direct communication with reptilian entites from the gamma quadrant.

What mothership?
Reptilian entities from the gamma quadrant?
I don't know who's posts you've been reading, but they weren't mine.

>>Closed mind? I have a discerning mind. If there is nothing to back up anyone's fantastic story without any corroborating evidence, then I have a strong tendency to dismiss it until such time as evidence is presented to give it credence.

This is called science.<<

You'll get your evidence science boy.


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: ]
    #401146 - 09/22/01 09:02 PM (22 years, 5 months ago)

eh, although i do hold you in high respects Shroomism, i have to agree with Swami on this point. There is absolutely no proof about the existence of aliens, only hearsay. And the proof that aliens don't exist is that there is no proof. I think you would agree with me that it would be stupid to believe you, Shroomism, simply because you're thoughts are extremely interesting. Being open minded doesn't mean you should believe everything you hear, thats being gullible. I have decided to keep an open mind on this subject, but will not believe any of it unless i have experiences of my own. Hell, we'll see in 2003 who is right and who isn't anyways.


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: MrKurtz]
    #401171 - 09/22/01 09:22 PM (22 years, 5 months ago)

Are you religious Mr kurtz cos the same could be said about god


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: MrKurtz]
    #401189 - 09/22/01 09:42 PM (22 years, 5 months ago)

>>eh, although i do hold you in high respects Shroomism, i have to agree with Swami on this point. There is absolutely no proof about the existence of aliens, only hearsay. And the proof that aliens don't exist is that there is no proof. I think you would agree with me that it would be stupid to believe you, Shroomism, simply because you're thoughts are extremely interesting. Being open minded doesn't mean you should believe everything you hear, thats being gullible. I have decided to keep an open mind on this subject, but will not believe any of it unless i have experiences of my own. Hell, we'll see in 2003 who is right and who isn't anyways.<<

MrKurtz... I respect your decision to not believe any of this unless you have your own experience with it. I do not expect you to believe everything I say, I want you to form your own opinion on this subject from your own experiences.
There may not be any proof of the existence of aliens, but all the signs are there.
But this holds true not just for aliens, but for us too.
How can we prove that we exist? Can we prove that consciousness exist?
Can we prove that air exists, since we cannot see it, only feel it, and see the direct result of what happens with it?


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: ]
    #401418 - 09/23/01 06:55 AM (22 years, 5 months ago)

>>I have heard hundreds of variations of this prediction for over 40 years from UFO/Alienn enthusiasts and not one has yet materialized. <<

>That's because they haven't materialized yet. Duh. So let me get this straight....you have been hearing for 40 years how the world is going to enter into higher dimensions in 2003 and 2012 and they havent materialized yet? Perhaps it's because 2003 and 2012 havent occured yet? hmmm?

The variations that I spoke of wer predictive in nature, not the exact (hence the word: variations) predicition of the aliens arriving in 2012. There have been many popular predictions whose timeframe has long since passed regarding alien contact, motherships arriving, earth passing through a photon cloud (whatever that is!), ascension, end-of-world and so on...



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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: ArCh_TemPlaR]
    #401424 - 09/23/01 07:11 AM (22 years, 5 months ago)

Your point is well-intentioned, but flawed.

People's perception is highly colored by expectation and cultural conditioning. Pyschologhical tests regarding astrology, where each randomly selected subject (it was done at a mall where people were passing by) was given the exact same pre-canned reading. The average consensus thought the bogus occultist (is that being redundant?) was better than 90% accurate.

With 12 different signs the average should have been roughly 8.5% accurate.

I personally was visiting family in Florida when in the infamous Gulf Breeze sightings (read hoax) were occurring.
I drovep from Tampa and ended up at a park on the coast watching the Navy planes perform (very near a base). Some of the people swore they were UFOs meaning flying saucers. All I saw were remote and indistinct dots of light CONSISTENT with military aircraft.

Summation: It is not lack of trust in a another's story as paranoia nor as a judgement that people are liars, but that the fact people see what they want to see that makes them unreliable evidence.

Anecdotes may be used as a starting point in research, but are not in themselves convincing to the scientific mind.



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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: ]
    #401426 - 09/23/01 07:16 AM (22 years, 5 months ago)

>Heh gotta love this thread. I didn't know so many cared so much for my wisdom that they would go to such great lengths to criticize it.

There was no wisdom in your posts to criticize. I attack your stories because they are dangerous to the gullible muppets looking for salvation.

What danger? Geez, I don't know - Jonestown, Koresh, Rancho San Marguerita...





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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: ]
    #401429 - 09/23/01 07:25 AM (22 years, 5 months ago)

>>I find it hard to comprehend that few people questioned the "knowledge" and "information" presented as factual in a recent 15 page topic. <<

>That's right Swami...I'm making all of this stuff up as I go along. All 15 pages of it.

Ah, resorting to:

Anti-Logic rule # 6: (The Sheer Bulk Rule) The longer the fiction presented, the greater it's likihood of being percieved as truth (see Carlos Castaneda).


>No seriously... it may be hard to comprehend....but noo I think you can handle it.

...and of course, the old standby:

Anti-Logic rule # 1: (The Ad-Hominem) When you have no logical argument to defend your point with, attack the intelligence or character or your debater.




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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: ]
    #401433 - 09/23/01 07:32 AM (22 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry I just couldn't help myself I had to reply to this.

>>A scientific hypothesis has nothing to do with someone claiming that they know a mothership is coming in 3 years and are in direct communication with reptilian entites from the gamma quadrant.

>What mothership?
Reptilian entities from the gamma quadrant?
I don't know who's posts you've been reading, but they weren't mine.


Sorry I just couldn't help myself I had to reply to this.

You will ignore this post because you cannot validate your response. Please show the post where I said that you (Shroomism) made these claims.

Do you often see / experience things that haven't happened?



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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: Swami]
    #401577 - 09/23/01 11:55 AM (22 years, 5 months ago)

imho, arguing over the existence of 'aliens' is like arguing over the existence of 'god'... but then again, most people haven't yet realized that the 'existence of god' arguement is pointless; unless of course, their true motive is to know what someone elses opinion is, along with their reasoning behind it(which is why I thought this forum existed). As opposed to trying to convince them to believe something, or that their beleif is illogical(which we have learned time and time again usually does not happen). But, I suppose it is easier to shoot down somebodys opinion and call them and idiot, and say that there is no proof, rather than jumping into a philosophical conversation(hence the title of the forum).

>Do you often see / experience things that haven't happened?
This happens to me all the time; it is called imagination. It is the root of all hypothesis. These lead to theories, which are eventually proven and develope into what we like to call 'science'.

There's shopping malls coming out of the walls as we walk out among the manure

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Anonymous

Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: Swami]
    #401593 - 09/23/01 12:11 PM (22 years, 5 months ago)

You will ignore this post because you cannot validate your response. Please show the post where I said that you (Shroomism) made these claims.

Ok....I believe it was this one.

>>I find it hard to comprehend that few people questioned the "knowledge" and "information" presented as factual in a recent 15 page topic. <<

I'm not going to argue with you. It would be pointless and lead nowhere. I was only responding to your post because you obviously took the time to create a post about how I am spouting nonsense. That's fine. Take it how you want.
Good day to you


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: DankVudu]
    #401702 - 09/23/01 02:14 PM (22 years, 5 months ago)

imho, arguing over the existence of 'aliens' is like arguing over the existence of 'god'...

Arguing over God is nothing like arguing over aliens unless belief in aliens is a religious belief and not knowable in consensus physical reality. However, most people that believe in aliens believe that they reside on another planet and someday will be able to be contacted directly, just like any other physical phenomenom.

As opposed to trying to convince them to believe something, or that their beleif is illogical(which we have learned time and time again usually does not happen). But, I suppose it is easier to shoot down somebodys opinion and call them and idiot, and say that there is no proof, rather than jumping into a philosophical conversation(hence the title of the forum).

In no post did I call anyone an idiot. Here the poster resorts to:

Anti-Logic Rule # 2: Misquote your opponent and / or put words in his mouth.

An opinion is a preference, such as liking Bach over the Beatles. However, something that is presented as fact should be questioned and should be able to stand up own under scrutiny.

>Do you often see / experience things that haven't happened?
This happens to me all the time; it is called imagination. It is the root of all hypothesis. These lead to theories, which are eventually proven and develope into what we like to call 'science'.


Poster resorts to the lesser used

Anti-Logic Rule # 13: Pretend ignorance of your opponent's meaning and go off on a non sequiter.

The imagination referred to a non-existent quote. How this relates to the above quote is anybody's guess.











>Do you often see / experience things that haven't happened?
This happens to me all the time; it is called imagination. It is the root of all hypothesis. These lead to theories, which are eventually proven and develope into what we like to call 'science'.


Imiagination is a fine tool, bu t has nothing to do with countering an argument with a post that does not exist.



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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: missulena]
    #402114 - 09/23/01 09:38 PM (22 years, 5 months ago)

"Are you religious Mr kurtz cos the same could be said about god"

no I'm not religious for that very reason.

But, on the point of religion, when i was about 6 years old i had a massive infection for like 2 months. the doctors didnt no what the fuck it was, and pretty much everyone thought i would die within a few months. My mom at the time was working at a nursing home, and she told one of the people living there about my condition. The old lady living there said her and all of her friends would pray for me, and sent a letter to some monks in some abbey somewhere to pray for me, and a few days later, i was completely healthy. now, this isn't proof, but its something to think about.

<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small"><EM>Edited by MrKurtz on 09/23/01 10:40 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

Edited by MrKurtz on 09/23/01 11:00 PM.


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: Swami]
    #402126 - 09/23/01 09:57 PM (22 years, 5 months ago)

Ok today is the first time i've even bothered to check the whole alien human relations thread, since i generally don't get involved in such nonsense either.

reading on though i've found myself getting more and more interested, and basically really enjoying the ideas being thrown around in there. a lot of people are into believing a lot of crazy shit, and I hope shroomism continues to spread his crazy alien nonsense wisdom for our benefit. what you say about people believing stuff because of the sheer volume is definately true, and i've thought that way before about castaneda ("how could he make all this stuff up himself??") but I don't think that is at all important. Castaneda's books contain HUGE amounts of extremely useful information, hundreds of techniques for developing awareness in different ways, and are wonderful funny and exciting to read!! it's much easier to scoff at people's gullibility, sit around and do nothing because there's no proof....i'm sure lots of people laughed at the buddha sitting around spouting wisdom pretending to be all holy, where's the proof that he's enlightened why should we listen to him let's not actually TRY his technique of meditation until someone PROVES that it works!!!

blah blah blah it's sunny outside so i'm gone. love


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: MrKurtz]
    #402171 - 09/23/01 10:38 PM (22 years, 5 months ago)

>>But, on the point of religion, when i was about 6 years old i had a massive infection for like 2 months. the doctors didnt no what the fuck it was, and pretty much everyone thought i would die within a few months. My mom at the time was working at a nursing home, and she told one of the people living there about my condition. The old lady living there said her and all of her friends would pray for me, and sent a letter to some monks in some abbey somewhere to pray for me, and a few days later, i was completely healthy. now, this isn't proof, but its something to think about.

It is universally known that thoughts create reality. In the third dimension, thoughts manifest in reality..but there is a slight time delay. It is also a universal fact that if a group of 4 or more people get together, and will the same thing, and it is for the good of the rest of the world...that it will happen. You did not get better because of divine intervention willed it. It was because these people sent their thoughts to you that you would become better. All of creation exists within each and every person, the ability to effect your environment with your thoughts is a fact for every life form.


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: Swami]
    #402307 - 09/24/01 02:59 AM (22 years, 5 months ago)

Fuck, nevermind. The anti-logic rules have exposed the flaws in my post, and I don't really feel like being involved in this conversation any longer... I'd rather talk about aliens than argue their existence. I really don't enjoy arguing... it was wrong of me to take out my agression by trying to attack your logic, Swami.

>In no post did I call anyone an idiot.
Sorry about that, I must have assumed on that one. And we all know what happens when we make an assumption...

Edited by DankVudu on 09/24/01 04:07 AM.


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: CACA]
    #22534900 - 11/16/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

CACA said:
Swami you're wrong and you will see aliens in or before the year 2012. <br><br>:(




Still waiting! :waits:


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22534934 - 11/16/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: Anonymous]
    #22534991 - 11/16/15 09:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous said:
>>But, on the point of religion, when i was about 6 years old i had a massive infection for like 2 months. the doctors didnt no what the fuck it was, and pretty much everyone thought i would die within a few months. My mom at the time was working at a nursing home, and she told one of the people living there about my condition. The old lady living there said her and all of her friends would pray for me, and sent a letter to some monks in some abbey somewhere to pray for me, and a few days later, i was completely healthy. now, this isn't proof, but its something to think about.
<br>
<br>It is universally known that thoughts create reality. In the third dimension, thoughts manifest in reality..but there is a slight time delay. It is also a universal fact that if a group of 4 or more people get together, and will the same thing, and it is for the good of the rest of the world...that it will happen. You did not get better because of divine intervention willed it. It was because these people sent their thoughts to you that you would become better. All of creation exists within each and every person, the ability to effect your environment with your thoughts is a fact for every life form. <br><br>




I'd have to call bunk on this. For all we know that story never happened. Even if it did there could have been many other reasons for why it happened rather than just "they willed it". Our thoughts do shape our "perception" of reality, which may very well be the same thing. But it's not the same thing as willing it to happen (unless you personally take action). If it was a fact then it would be able to be tested in a controlled environment and pass repeated trials, which it has not. There's also no way to tell if it wasn't just a placebo effect either.


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