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Alien Nonsense
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I find it hard to comprehend that few people questioned the "knowledge" and "information" presented as factual in a recent 15 page topic.

I am all for science fiction and entertainment, and enjoy a good tale as much as anyone, but I hope you shroomerites are not taking this stuff seriously.

If I take high doses of shrooms often, will I too, lose the ability to differentiate reality from fantasy when back in normal consciousness?

Let's NOT take cyanide to go visit the mothership hiding in the wake of the next comet.






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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: Swami]
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I am all for science fiction and entertainment, and enjoy a good tale as much as anyone, but I hope you shroomerites are not taking this stuff seriously.
Are you saying you know the absoloute truth? You are right and they are wrong? How do you know that? What proof do you have?

If I take high doses of shrooms often, will I too, lose the ability to differentiate reality from fantasy when back in normal consciousness?
What it may do is open your mind to other possibilities, but shrooms do not have the power to change your beliefs on their own. If you don't believe something, then you don't believe, it's as simple as that.
Our western society tries to force us into following a few specific belief paths. These are beliefs that do not challenge the system, and no not allow much space for questioning or personal exploration of your beliefs. If you choose to follow a different path, you are often ridiculed or thought to be crazy, and because of our social conditioning to fit in and be 'normal', many people begin to fear non-authorised beliefs, and will deny everything outside of these without question. I mean what difference does it make to you what others believe, or is the issue really that you fear you may end up believing these things too?

Look at the beliefs in cultures outside of our western society. Many of their beliefs are as 'far out' as many of the beliefs expressed here. Does this mean our society is the only sane one? Are our authorised belief systems somehow superior?

Take care

Phil


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: Swami]
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It is good to be grounded, but to have a closed mind is a pitty.
Science is changing every day what is fact today tomorrow is not.
I suggest you read string theory, quantum physics or holografic theory of the universe.
Science is proving what some our ancestors new all a long.
How do you now your normal state of consciousness is not just another fantasy?
I don't advocate to belive everything but don't be afraid to open your mind to other possibilities. you are just limiting your self.



"We have infinite possibilities of existence"


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: LOBO]
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>Science is changing every day what is fact today tomorrow is not.

Theories may change, but facts do not.

>I suggest you read string theory, quantum physics or holografic theory of the universe.

I have read some on these subjects. These are theories. Many physicist are experimenting to try to validate these concepts.

A scientific hypothesis has nothing to do with someone claiming that they know a mothership is coming in 3 years and are in direct communication with reptilian entites from the gamma quadrant.

Closed mind? I have a discerning mind. If there is nothing to back up anyone's fantastic story without any corroborating evidence, then I have a strong tendency to dismiss it until such time as evidence is presented to give it credence.

This is known as science.




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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: Phyl]
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>Are you saying you know the absoloute truth? You are right and they are wrong? How do you know that? What proof do you have?

Huh? Where did I make a claim other than incredulity at the gullibility of others to accept fiction as fact with no corroboration.

>What proof do I have?

For what? I made no claim, but that is exactly my point. There is no proof of direct contact with aliens.

>Look at the beliefs in cultures outside of our western society. Many of their beliefs are as 'far out' as many of the beliefs expressed here. Does this mean our society is the only sane one? Are our authorised belief systems somehow superior?

Wow. It is amazing how you put words in my mouth. You must be reading a different post. Superstition is present in large doses in every culture.

>I mean what difference does it make to you what others believe?

Ask the friends and families of the people who committed suicide in Rancho San Marguerita over some crazy ideas a few years back.






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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: Swami]
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Swami you're wrong and you will see aliens in or before the year 2012.

:frown:


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: CACA]
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Just because you don't have first hand experience involving an alien encounter dosin't make it a fantasy.


Theres more to life then what meets the eye...


~Stay aware~


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: Swami]
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Huh? Where did I make a claim other than incredulity at the gullibility of others to accept fiction as fact with no corroboration.

There you go again... The gullility of others... And you're saying you don't consider yourself superior?

For what? I made no claim, but that is exactly my point. There is no proof of direct contact with aliens.

What do you count as proof? You cannot undeniably prove anything.

Wow. It is amazing how you put words in my mouth. You must be reading a different post.

Just reading between the lines

Superstition is present in large doses in every culture

People used to be killed for claiming the sun was in the centre of the universe. Doesn't mean it's not true though.

Ask the friends and families of the people who committed suicide in Rancho San Marguerita over some crazy ideas a few years back.

If proof is so important, how can you prove their ideas were wrong?

Take care

Phil


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: Phyl]
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I tend to find that people who get caught up in the Alien/psychic/past lives/supernatural/ghosts/magical powers...da da da really lose an important critical function in their minds. They begin to accept what is not orthodox science simply because they claim to be open to new/other possiblilities, when they are merely just accepting for the sake of it. I think this is a tragedy because it draws peoples attention from things which are much more accessable to everyone to experience, yet counfounding to explain. There are greater mysteries in life than Aliens and psychic phenomena, we must simply never get cought up in someone else's jargon.


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: Lenore]
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They begin to accept what is not orthodox science simply because they claim to be open to new/other possiblilities
I would say they are looking for answers that science fails to provide. The problem with science is that it doesn't disprove anything, it only proves things and therefore as science hasn't disproven the alien experiences or psychic phenomenon, and if you have an interest in these things, it's only natural to seek your own answers.

it draws peoples attention from things which are much more accessable to everyone to experience, yet counfounding to explain
Many people have experienced supernatural phonemena themselves, and want to be able to explain them for themselves. Just because anyone cannot experience these things at will doesnt make them any less valid.

Take care

Phil


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: CACA]
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>Swami you're wrong and you will see aliens in or before the year 2012.

I have heard hundreds of variations of this prediction for over 40 years from UFO/Alienn enthusiasts and not one has yet materialized.





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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: ~`Tursiops truncatus`~]
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>Just because you don't have first hand experience involving an alien encounter dosin't make it a fantasy.

Neither does someone making a claim to have had such an experience make it a fact.






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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: CACA]
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Before 2012 i'm afraid..didn't you know the world's gonna end in 2003? Mark your calendar - we'll be moving into the 4th dimension..apparently. http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p00.htm

"Pointy bird ... oh, pointy pointy...Anoint my head ... anointy, nointy"


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: Swami]
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this thread rocks
the uk ufo watching society recently closed down due to lack of sightings. almost nothing in the last 8 years.
ive seen 2 ufo`s in my life, but remember the `u` stands for unidentified and that is the interpretation i use.
whether these objects were produced here or not is moot.
as for contacting non-human entities, mmm had some real interesting trips in my day, met some bizarre characters and learnt things that changed me in many ways. sometimes i met these characters when i wasnt tripping.
as for trying to push what i learnt onto anyone else...naa no way. if you wanna find out, go there yourself dont take anyone elses word for it. what you experience will be unique for you alone.
remember, if the voice flatters you or commands you, it is not acting with your benefit in mind, get up and take a piss, wash your hands and face and start again.


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: Swami]
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In reply to:

>Just because you don't have first hand experience involving an alien encounter dosin't make it a fantasy.



Neither does someone making a claim to have had such an experience make it a fact.

It does not take much discernment to recognize, by your acquired paradigm structure, from fiction and fact.

I guess the idea of an honor system, that we as human beings can be trusted with our words, is moot. I guess I better discard what my good friends have seen and experienced if I am paranaoi and cannot trust my instincts.

I will pose you a question:

What if you had the chance of a lifetime to go study with a Lama. You will learn their teachings, meet the 'people', study their lineage and history. You will also get to learn Tummo, the most critical aspect of your study.

Would you go or stay where you are?




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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: Revelation]
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In reply to:

Before 2012 i'm afraid..didn't you know the world's gonna end in 2003? Mark your calendar - we'll be moving into the 4th dimension..apparently. http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p00.htm

"Pointy bird ... oh, pointy pointy...Anoint my head ... anointy, nointy"



useless droning it is.. Year after year, the verdict: nothing happens on a visible international scale.


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: ArCh_TemPlaR]
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Tell me CACA, have u been to uranus, i hear it's rather nice this time of year

first u get the money, then u get the Weemen!
Wee men? what the hell are u talking about!
i said woman; no u didn't man!

~Ur PAYING ME IN HAIR CLIPPINGS! WHAT ARE U cRAZY?


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first u get the money, then u get the Weemen!
Wee men? what the hell are u talking about!
i said woman; no u didn't man!

~Ur PAYING ME IN HAIR CLIPPINGS! WHAT ARE U cRAZY?

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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: sir_shroom_alot]
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i laugh when i hear these guys talk about how they saw aliens and stuff, and most the time they were tripping, that is just funny to me! I personally find it much more easy to belive that these ufo's are merely time travelers from the future, that would be alot easier o explain why they appear and disappear, and look kinda like humans, maybe they are evolved, it's jsut the way u look at something

first u get the money, then u get the Weemen!
Wee men? what the hell are u talking about!
i said woman; no u didn't man!

~Ur PAYING ME IN HAIR CLIPPINGS! WHAT ARE U cRAZY?


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first u get the money, then u get the Weemen!
Wee men? what the hell are u talking about!
i said woman; no u didn't man!

~Ur PAYING ME IN HAIR CLIPPINGS! WHAT ARE U cRAZY?

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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: Revelation]
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Heh gotta love this thread. I didn't know so many cared so much for my wisdom that they would go to such great lengths to criticize it. Well you know what they say...no publicity is bad publicity.

>>Before 2012 i'm afraid..didn't you know the world's gonna end in 2003? Mark your calendar - we'll be moving into the 4th dimension..apparently<<

World's gonna end? Who gave you that misinformation? Just because the Earth is shifting into the 4th dimension doesn't mean the World is going to end. On the contrary...it will flourish.
2012 is when we shift into the 5TH DIMENSION.


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: Swami]
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>Swami you're wrong and you will see aliens in or before the year 2012.

>>I have heard hundreds of variations of this prediction for over 40 years from UFO/Alienn enthusiasts and not one has yet materialized. <<

That's because they haven't materialized yet. Duh. So let me get this straight....you have been hearing for 40 years how the world is going to enter into higher dimensions in 2003 and 2012 and they havent materialized yet? Perhaps it's because 2003 and 2012 havent occured yet? hmmm?
And just for the record, many of the native american tribes have been passing down legend for thousands of years of this same event.
I wonder what the white-skinned brother from the stars Pahanna means? Hmmm


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: Swami]
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>>I find it hard to comprehend that few people questioned the "knowledge" and "information" presented as factual in a recent 15 page topic. <<

That's right Swami...I'm making all of this stuff up as I go along. All 15 pages of it.
No seriously... it may be hard to comprehend....but noo I think you can handle it.

>>I am all for science fiction and entertainment, and enjoy a good tale as much as anyone, but I hope you shroomerites are not taking this stuff seriously. <<

It's not science fiction, nor is it meant for entertainment purposes. And it is indeed meant to be taken seriously.

>>If I take high doses of shrooms often, will I too, lose the ability to differentiate reality from fantasy when back in normal consciousness? <<

Tell me.... Is my reality your fantasy? Or vice versa? How does one differentiate the two? And where do mushrooms fit into this equation?
Perhaps if you take high doses of shrooms often you will be less susceptible to closed minded thinking.


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: Swami]
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Sorry I just couldn't help myself I had to reply to this.

>>A scientific hypothesis has nothing to do with someone claiming that they know a mothership is coming in 3 years and are in direct communication with reptilian entites from the gamma quadrant.

What mothership?
Reptilian entities from the gamma quadrant?
I don't know who's posts you've been reading, but they weren't mine.

>>Closed mind? I have a discerning mind. If there is nothing to back up anyone's fantastic story without any corroborating evidence, then I have a strong tendency to dismiss it until such time as evidence is presented to give it credence.

This is called science.<<

You'll get your evidence science boy.


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: ]
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eh, although i do hold you in high respects Shroomism, i have to agree with Swami on this point. There is absolutely no proof about the existence of aliens, only hearsay. And the proof that aliens don't exist is that there is no proof. I think you would agree with me that it would be stupid to believe you, Shroomism, simply because you're thoughts are extremely interesting. Being open minded doesn't mean you should believe everything you hear, thats being gullible. I have decided to keep an open mind on this subject, but will not believe any of it unless i have experiences of my own. Hell, we'll see in 2003 who is right and who isn't anyways.


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: MrKurtz]
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Are you religious Mr kurtz cos the same could be said about god


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: MrKurtz]
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>>eh, although i do hold you in high respects Shroomism, i have to agree with Swami on this point. There is absolutely no proof about the existence of aliens, only hearsay. And the proof that aliens don't exist is that there is no proof. I think you would agree with me that it would be stupid to believe you, Shroomism, simply because you're thoughts are extremely interesting. Being open minded doesn't mean you should believe everything you hear, thats being gullible. I have decided to keep an open mind on this subject, but will not believe any of it unless i have experiences of my own. Hell, we'll see in 2003 who is right and who isn't anyways.<<

MrKurtz... I respect your decision to not believe any of this unless you have your own experience with it. I do not expect you to believe everything I say, I want you to form your own opinion on this subject from your own experiences.
There may not be any proof of the existence of aliens, but all the signs are there.
But this holds true not just for aliens, but for us too.
How can we prove that we exist? Can we prove that consciousness exist?
Can we prove that air exists, since we cannot see it, only feel it, and see the direct result of what happens with it?


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: ]
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>>I have heard hundreds of variations of this prediction for over 40 years from UFO/Alienn enthusiasts and not one has yet materialized. <<

>That's because they haven't materialized yet. Duh. So let me get this straight....you have been hearing for 40 years how the world is going to enter into higher dimensions in 2003 and 2012 and they havent materialized yet? Perhaps it's because 2003 and 2012 havent occured yet? hmmm?

The variations that I spoke of wer predictive in nature, not the exact (hence the word: variations) predicition of the aliens arriving in 2012. There have been many popular predictions whose timeframe has long since passed regarding alien contact, motherships arriving, earth passing through a photon cloud (whatever that is!), ascension, end-of-world and so on...



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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: ArCh_TemPlaR]
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Your point is well-intentioned, but flawed.

People's perception is highly colored by expectation and cultural conditioning. Pyschologhical tests regarding astrology, where each randomly selected subject (it was done at a mall where people were passing by) was given the exact same pre-canned reading. The average consensus thought the bogus occultist (is that being redundant?) was better than 90% accurate.

With 12 different signs the average should have been roughly 8.5% accurate.

I personally was visiting family in Florida when in the infamous Gulf Breeze sightings (read hoax) were occurring.
I drovep from Tampa and ended up at a park on the coast watching the Navy planes perform (very near a base). Some of the people swore they were UFOs meaning flying saucers. All I saw were remote and indistinct dots of light CONSISTENT with military aircraft.

Summation: It is not lack of trust in a another's story as paranoia nor as a judgement that people are liars, but that the fact people see what they want to see that makes them unreliable evidence.

Anecdotes may be used as a starting point in research, but are not in themselves convincing to the scientific mind.



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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: ]
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>Heh gotta love this thread. I didn't know so many cared so much for my wisdom that they would go to such great lengths to criticize it.

There was no wisdom in your posts to criticize. I attack your stories because they are dangerous to the gullible muppets looking for salvation.

What danger? Geez, I don't know - Jonestown, Koresh, Rancho San Marguerita...





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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: ]
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>>I find it hard to comprehend that few people questioned the "knowledge" and "information" presented as factual in a recent 15 page topic. <<

>That's right Swami...I'm making all of this stuff up as I go along. All 15 pages of it.

Ah, resorting to:

Anti-Logic rule # 6: (The Sheer Bulk Rule) The longer the fiction presented, the greater it's likihood of being percieved as truth (see Carlos Castaneda).


>No seriously... it may be hard to comprehend....but noo I think you can handle it.

...and of course, the old standby:

Anti-Logic rule # 1: (The Ad-Hominem) When you have no logical argument to defend your point with, attack the intelligence or character or your debater.




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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: ]
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Sorry I just couldn't help myself I had to reply to this.

>>A scientific hypothesis has nothing to do with someone claiming that they know a mothership is coming in 3 years and are in direct communication with reptilian entites from the gamma quadrant.

>What mothership?
Reptilian entities from the gamma quadrant?
I don't know who's posts you've been reading, but they weren't mine.


Sorry I just couldn't help myself I had to reply to this.

You will ignore this post because you cannot validate your response. Please show the post where I said that you (Shroomism) made these claims.

Do you often see / experience things that haven't happened?



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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: Swami]
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imho, arguing over the existence of 'aliens' is like arguing over the existence of 'god'... but then again, most people haven't yet realized that the 'existence of god' arguement is pointless; unless of course, their true motive is to know what someone elses opinion is, along with their reasoning behind it(which is why I thought this forum existed). As opposed to trying to convince them to believe something, or that their beleif is illogical(which we have learned time and time again usually does not happen). But, I suppose it is easier to shoot down somebodys opinion and call them and idiot, and say that there is no proof, rather than jumping into a philosophical conversation(hence the title of the forum).

>Do you often see / experience things that haven't happened?
This happens to me all the time; it is called imagination. It is the root of all hypothesis. These lead to theories, which are eventually proven and develope into what we like to call 'science'.

There's shopping malls coming out of the walls as we walk out among the manure

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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: Swami]
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You will ignore this post because you cannot validate your response. Please show the post where I said that you (Shroomism) made these claims.

Ok....I believe it was this one.

>>I find it hard to comprehend that few people questioned the "knowledge" and "information" presented as factual in a recent 15 page topic. <<

I'm not going to argue with you. It would be pointless and lead nowhere. I was only responding to your post because you obviously took the time to create a post about how I am spouting nonsense. That's fine. Take it how you want.
Good day to you


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: DankVudu]
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imho, arguing over the existence of 'aliens' is like arguing over the existence of 'god'...

Arguing over God is nothing like arguing over aliens unless belief in aliens is a religious belief and not knowable in consensus physical reality. However, most people that believe in aliens believe that they reside on another planet and someday will be able to be contacted directly, just like any other physical phenomenom.

As opposed to trying to convince them to believe something, or that their beleif is illogical(which we have learned time and time again usually does not happen). But, I suppose it is easier to shoot down somebodys opinion and call them and idiot, and say that there is no proof, rather than jumping into a philosophical conversation(hence the title of the forum).

In no post did I call anyone an idiot. Here the poster resorts to:

Anti-Logic Rule # 2: Misquote your opponent and / or put words in his mouth.

An opinion is a preference, such as liking Bach over the Beatles. However, something that is presented as fact should be questioned and should be able to stand up own under scrutiny.

>Do you often see / experience things that haven't happened?
This happens to me all the time; it is called imagination. It is the root of all hypothesis. These lead to theories, which are eventually proven and develope into what we like to call 'science'.

Poster resorts to the lesser used

Anti-Logic Rule # 13: Pretend ignorance of your opponent's meaning and go off on a non sequiter.

The imagination referred to a non-existent quote. How this relates to the above quote is anybody's guess.











>Do you often see / experience things that haven't happened?
This happens to me all the time; it is called imagination. It is the root of all hypothesis. These lead to theories, which are eventually proven and develope into what we like to call 'science'.

Imiagination is a fine tool, bu t has nothing to do with countering an argument with a post that does not exist.



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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: missulena]
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"Are you religious Mr kurtz cos the same could be said about god"

no I'm not religious for that very reason.

But, on the point of religion, when i was about 6 years old i had a massive infection for like 2 months. the doctors didnt no what the fuck it was, and pretty much everyone thought i would die within a few months. My mom at the time was working at a nursing home, and she told one of the people living there about my condition. The old lady living there said her and all of her friends would pray for me, and sent a letter to some monks in some abbey somewhere to pray for me, and a few days later, i was completely healthy. now, this isn't proof, but its something to think about.

<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small"><EM>Edited by MrKurtz on 09/23/01 10:40 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

Edited by MrKurtz on 09/23/01 11:00 PM.


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: Swami]
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Ok today is the first time i've even bothered to check the whole alien human relations thread, since i generally don't get involved in such nonsense either.

reading on though i've found myself getting more and more interested, and basically really enjoying the ideas being thrown around in there. a lot of people are into believing a lot of crazy shit, and I hope shroomism continues to spread his crazy alien nonsense wisdom for our benefit. what you say about people believing stuff because of the sheer volume is definately true, and i've thought that way before about castaneda ("how could he make all this stuff up himself??") but I don't think that is at all important. Castaneda's books contain HUGE amounts of extremely useful information, hundreds of techniques for developing awareness in different ways, and are wonderful funny and exciting to read!! it's much easier to scoff at people's gullibility, sit around and do nothing because there's no proof....i'm sure lots of people laughed at the buddha sitting around spouting wisdom pretending to be all holy, where's the proof that he's enlightened why should we listen to him let's not actually TRY his technique of meditation until someone PROVES that it works!!!

blah blah blah it's sunny outside so i'm gone. love


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: MrKurtz]
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>>But, on the point of religion, when i was about 6 years old i had a massive infection for like 2 months. the doctors didnt no what the fuck it was, and pretty much everyone thought i would die within a few months. My mom at the time was working at a nursing home, and she told one of the people living there about my condition. The old lady living there said her and all of her friends would pray for me, and sent a letter to some monks in some abbey somewhere to pray for me, and a few days later, i was completely healthy. now, this isn't proof, but its something to think about.

It is universally known that thoughts create reality. In the third dimension, thoughts manifest in reality..but there is a slight time delay. It is also a universal fact that if a group of 4 or more people get together, and will the same thing, and it is for the good of the rest of the world...that it will happen. You did not get better because of divine intervention willed it. It was because these people sent their thoughts to you that you would become better. All of creation exists within each and every person, the ability to effect your environment with your thoughts is a fact for every life form.


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: Swami]
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Fuck, nevermind. The anti-logic rules have exposed the flaws in my post, and I don't really feel like being involved in this conversation any longer... I'd rather talk about aliens than argue their existence. I really don't enjoy arguing... it was wrong of me to take out my agression by trying to attack your logic, Swami.

>In no post did I call anyone an idiot.
Sorry about that, I must have assumed on that one. And we all know what happens when we make an assumption...

Edited by DankVudu on 09/24/01 04:07 AM.


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: CACA]
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Quote:

CACA said:
Swami you're wrong and you will see aliens in or before the year 2012. <br><br>:(



Still waiting! :waits:


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: Anonymous]
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>>But, on the point of religion, when i was about 6 years old i had a massive infection for like 2 months. the doctors didnt no what the fuck it was, and pretty much everyone thought i would die within a few months. My mom at the time was working at a nursing home, and she told one of the people living there about my condition. The old lady living there said her and all of her friends would pray for me, and sent a letter to some monks in some abbey somewhere to pray for me, and a few days later, i was completely healthy. now, this isn't proof, but its something to think about.
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<br>It is universally known that thoughts create reality. In the third dimension, thoughts manifest in reality..but there is a slight time delay. It is also a universal fact that if a group of 4 or more people get together, and will the same thing, and it is for the good of the rest of the world...that it will happen. You did not get better because of divine intervention willed it. It was because these people sent their thoughts to you that you would become better. All of creation exists within each and every person, the ability to effect your environment with your thoughts is a fact for every life form. <br><br>



I'd have to call bunk on this. For all we know that story never happened. Even if it did there could have been many other reasons for why it happened rather than just "they willed it". Our thoughts do shape our "perception" of reality, which may very well be the same thing. But it's not the same thing as willing it to happen (unless you personally take action). If it was a fact then it would be able to be tested in a controlled environment and pass repeated trials, which it has not. There's also no way to tell if it wasn't just a placebo effect either.


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Re: Alien Nonsense [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Swami you're wrong and you will see aliens in or before the year 2012. <br><br>:(



Still waiting! :waits:


Ha!  Did you write that in your 'posts to reply to diary' in red lipstick?

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I find it hard to comprehend that few people questioned the "knowledge" and "information" presented as factual in a recent 15 page topic.
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<br>I am all for science fiction and entertainment, and enjoy a good tale as much as anyone, but I hope you shroomerites are not taking this stuff seriously.
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<br>If I take high doses of shrooms often, will I too, lose the ability to differentiate reality from fantasy when back in normal consciousness?
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<br>Let's NOT take cyanide to go visit the mothership hiding in the wake of the next comet.
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I don't present anything as factual, but I've experienced what seems to have been communication from Higher Intelligences from another dimension or possibly extraterrestrial life.

I figure why not take a multi model approach to something I don't understand.

Yes, I'm being contacted by extraterrestrials.

No, I'm just going crazy.

No, I'm just experimenting with alternative reality tunnels.

All three seem viable to me, because I simply don't know the truth.  What I do know is I'm searching for other wonderers and wanderers who are willing to take the plunge and experiment..  if one was to take two 60mg doses of MXE staggered over an hour and get back to me, they'd probably breakthrough to something they didn't understand.  Why make your mind up on something you don't understand?

Doesn't mean you can't find the experience valuable because you don't understand it... Doesn't mean you can't wonder about and theorize about things you don't understand, and certainly doesn't mean they're worthless topics of discussion..... Doesn't mean you should preach it as gospel either :shrug:.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Lookit CJ - there is always a very simple metric - and every single believer fails it.

Bring back some information not previously available. That's it! Too simple I know.

If one cannot do this then whatever they are experiencing is indistinguishable to an outsider as either delusion or fiction. At that point there is no more to discuss.


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Lookit CJ - there is always a very simple metric - and every single believer fails it.

Bring back some information not previously available. That's it! Too simple I know.

If one cannot do this then whatever they are experiencing is indistinguishable to an outsider as either delusion or fiction. At that point there is no more to discuss.




No, at that point there's no more for you to discuss.  I'm not a true believer.  I can certainly talk about my trip reports, they were unique to me, but obviously there are trends and patterns that emerge with other people's experience.  We can talk about the relevance of that and we can theorize about what was going on and even psychoanalyze my experience.  Even if it's a matter of the brain and nervous system alone, to me it's incredibly fascinating what is occurring and if there is significance to such experiences or practical uses to them.  It appears there is now scientific research regarding ketamine doses, which often produce such experiences, immediately lifts many people's major depression symptoms for up to two weeks.  There's potential there.  For some the experiences relieve a lot of stress and depression and opens many doors to the imagination....  Some of these people may be living higher quality lifestyles than you due to their experiences.  If so, your loss.  It has personal significance to me, as the experiences are incredibly fascinating.  If that stuff bores you, :ohwell:. 

If you live in a black in white world, you've either contacted aliens or Higher Intelligences or you haven't, and there's nothing more to discuss. I entirely disagree.  You're the one setting up conditions and convictions.  I'm the one who's saying it's a mystery and I don't know the answer.  And it's not like I can bring back information not previously available.  MXE is an analogue to an illicit substance, I can't go out performing research studies on it, nor am I qualified to if it was.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Swami you're wrong and you will see aliens in or before the year 2012. <br><br>:(



Still waiting! :waits:


Ha!  Did you write that in your 'posts to reply to diary' in red lipstick?





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Lookit CJ - there is always a very simple metric - and every single believer fails it.

Bring back some information not previously available. That's it! Too simple I know.

If one cannot do this then whatever they are experiencing is indistinguishable to an outsider as either delusion or fiction. At that point there is no more to discuss.




No, at that point there's no more for you to discuss.  I'm not a true believer.  I can certainly talk about my trip reports, they were unique to me, but obviously there are trends and patterns that emerge with other people's experience.  We can talk about the relevance of that and we can theorize about what was going on and even psychoanalyze my experience.  Even if it's a matter of the brain and nervous system alone, to me it's incredibly fascinating what is occurring and if there is significance to such experiences or practical uses to them.  It appears there is now scientific research regarding ketamine doses, which often produce such experiences, immediately lifts many people's major depression symptoms for up to two weeks.  There's potential there.  For some the experiences relieve a lot of stress and depression and opens many doors to the imagination....  Some of these people may be living higher quality lifestyles than you due to their experiences.  If so, your loss.  It has personal significance to me, as the experiences are incredibly fascinating.  If that stuff bores you, :ohwell:. 

If you live in a black in white world, you've either contacted aliens or Higher Intelligences or you haven't, and there's nothing more to discuss. I entirely disagree.  You're the one setting up conditions and convictions.  I'm the one who's saying it's a mystery and I don't know the answer.  And it's not like I can bring back information not previously available.  MXE is an analogue to an illicit substance, I can't go out performing research studies on it, nor am I qualified to if it was.


There's a big jump between ketamine helping depression and aliens contacting you whilst you're on MXE.

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As I've said, I take a multi model approach to a mystery which I can't explain.  I'm ready to consider delusion as one of several possibilities.  I was just mentioning these drugs that tend to produce OBEs also have therapeutic effects, which again is strange.  Asante described MXE to me as being a protagonist in a spiritual manga, and I found that quite fitting.  There's something about these vision quests that are filled with the unbelievable that are valuable to us.... If they don't at least shake up one's belief system a little and make one willing to consider that they've got the wrong answer, the more of schmuck one becomes, imo.  Convictions are for convicts.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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