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falcon

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Re: Would this change the way you live now.

[Re: Icelander]
#7358911 - 09/01/07 03:29 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Right, no choice. (for you)

So I'll change this for you to say that most of what you do is programmed.

:smile:

:smile:

And these are two contradictory statements.

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Icelander
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Re: Would this change the way you live now.

[Re: falcon]
#7358923 - 09/01/07 03:34 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

That's because they are both jokes.

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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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falcon

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Re: Would this change the way you live now.

[Re: Icelander]
#7358936 - 09/01/07 03:40 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah,

:lol:

so when you said your first post, in this thread, was just in fun, you meant that it was a joke?

Edited by falcon (09/01/07 03:40 PM)

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Icelander
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Re: Would this change the way you live now.

[Re: falcon]
#7358963 - 09/01/07 03:51 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Well I don't take much that seriously here but no, just my replies to you were joking.

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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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falcon

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Re: Would this change the way you live now.

[Re: Icelander]
#7358973 - 09/01/07 03:55 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

It seems to me, that the question at the beginning of this thread, is unanswerable as asked, which is why I asked if it was a joke.

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Veritas

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Re: Would this change the way you live now.

[Re: falcon]
#7358984 - 09/01/07 04:00 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

It is only unanswerable if you assume that you cannot alter your programming once you have recognized it. :shrug:

:shrug:

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Re: Would this change the way you live now.

[Re: Veritas]
#7358999 - 09/01/07 04:05 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

He assumes many things. :lol:

:lol:

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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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falcon

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Re: Would this change the way you live now.

[Re: Veritas]
#7359000 - 09/01/07 04:06 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

What recognizes? So what your saying is at some point nurture and programming could come together and free you from nurture and programming. Befroe this happens you have no free will?

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Veritas

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Re: Would this change the way you live now.

[Re: falcon]
#7359067 - 09/01/07 04:56 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

No, I'm saying that at some point, one could WAKE UP and notice that their personality is just programming, and then could choose to alter that programming. Our consciousness, whether it actually is what some call a "soul" or "spirit," may cruise through life on automatic pilot, or it may decide to shape and change our approach to our experiences.

While on automatic pilot, we do give the appearance of not having free will, but this is just an illusion, IMO.

Having consciousness does not make us more (or less) important than any other living thing, and I don't think that it was Icelander's assertion that we did not possess consciousness.

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Re: Would this change the way you live now.

[Re: Veritas]
#7359094 - 09/01/07 05:17 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

and I don't think that it was Icelander's assertion that we did not possess consciousness.

Never said anything about that.

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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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falcon

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Re: Would this change the way you live now.

[Re: Veritas]
#7359103 - 09/01/07 05:21 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
If you became convinced that you were just a bunch of programming from nature and nurture and there was nothing special about your life.

Quote:

Veritas said:

Having consciousness does not make us more (or less) important than any other living thing, and I don't think that it was Icelander's assertion that we did not possess consciousness.

What Icelander did say, sounded like that someone would be convinced that they "were just a just a bunch of programming from nature and nurture."

So if someone realizes that they are just a bunch of programming it is not a true realization, what he meant to say was that if someone notices how the programming of nature and nurture influences his life they will be better
able to make choices for themselves?

Edited by falcon (09/01/07 05:36 PM)

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Re: Would this change the way you live now.

[Re: falcon]
#7359136 - 09/01/07 05:37 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

True, and now that you know what my post was really about what do you think?

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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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falcon

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Re: Would this change the way you live now.

[Re: Icelander]
#7359146 - 09/01/07 05:42 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I think once you recognize why you do something you can make better choices.

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Re: Would this change the way you live now.

[Re: falcon]
#7359171 - 09/01/07 05:52 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Agreed.

What is post was about for me is the struggle I went through and go through to find meaning in my life once I came to believe my life most likely wasn't any more special than anything else and my life wasn't of special importance to the Universe. No one (up there) was thinking about me or looking out for me and when I died nothing out there cared about the how and why of that event. There most likely was not a special destiny awaiting my life or future.

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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Would this change the way you live now.

[Re: Icelander]
#7359195 - 09/01/07 06:01 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

hey
you thought I took myself seriously?
djeuoomusbekeeding.
but I still meant what I said, even more so as I read more explanation

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Re: Would this change the way you live now.

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#7359229 - 09/01/07 06:11 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Actually, I've never thought you took yourself particularly seriously.

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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Would this change the way you live now.

[Re: Icelander]
#7359282 - 09/01/07 06:29 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Is that JC with a gun in your avatar? :lol:

:lol:

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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Would this change the way you live now.

[Re: Lion]
#7359297 - 09/01/07 06:34 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Look again. :wink:

:wink:

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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Would this change the way you live now.

[Re: Icelander]
#7360270 - 09/02/07 01:03 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I find it strange how when someone points out a flaw in your logic, that you are "just joking" and that everyone should just "chill out".

But when someone agrees you delve deeper.

Icelander said:

Look again.

I think you should take your own advice.

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Those who would sacrifice their freedoms for securities deserve neither, and will soon lose both.

-Benjamin Franklin

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Re: Would this change the way you live now.

[Re: kimikiri]
#7361498 - 09/02/07 01:41 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

kimikiri said:

Instead of pretending to be enlightened and feeling sorry for the poor sap who should just "kill themself" in your eyes, maybe you should actually OPEN your eyes.

kimikiri said:

I find it strange how when someone points out a flaw in your logic, that you are "just joking" and that everyone should just "chill out".

But when someone agrees you delve deeper.

Quote:

I think you should take your own advice.

Maybe you should review the forum rules and guidelines, and realize that this forum is intended for the discussion of the ideas presented, not the assumed personal nature of those presenting these ideas.

We do not discuss other posters in such a way in this forum.

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