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Tell-a-vision Programming!
    #2062439 - 11/01/03 11:31 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

"Imagine if the Japanese had won World War II and had introduced into American life a drug so insidious that thirty years later the average American was spending five hours a day "loaded" on this drug. People would just view it as an outrageous atrocity. And yet, we in America do this to ourselves. And the horrifying thing about the "trip" that television gives you is that it's not your trip. It is a trip that comes down through the values systems of a society whose greatest god is the almighty dollar." -Terence McKenna (R.I.P.)


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Adamist]
    #2062468 - 11/01/03 12:10 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

As long as television brainwashing is coupled with prosperity, nothing will ever change.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #2062523 - 11/01/03 12:53 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

God, television.... It reminds me of that one Futurama episode, where it says at the bottom in the beginning "For cheap laser eye surgery, sit as close to screen as possible."

But yeah. The thing shoots hypnotic, dirty fucking light waves at us and then tells us to buy stuff. There are benefits from television that greatly make it better than radio or newspapers, but as long as advertising funds television programming, we as a people are screwed.
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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Adamist]
    #2062599 - 11/01/03 01:56 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Television isn't so bad, but if you don't watch it you can act like you're smarter than everyone. As long as you're not stupid enough to roast yourself on a barbeque after watching Jackass you should be fine. Charles Dickens was a commercial author, writing for money, and I don't see anyone saying that his work lacks artistic merit.

Even those commercials for hairspray and hamburgers you see, those are the real art of today. The average person hates them all, and thinks they're all just mindless garbage, but the funny thing is, the average person thinks that they are ahead of the game in thinking this. They honestly believe everyone else out there is all "commercials are awesome!", but they're really all thinking exactly the same thing, and they're still eating Big Macs. Really though, commercials are changing the world.



"I didn't laugh at that because it was a reference to a television show, and I don't watch that garbage, it is intellectually bankrupt. My only source of entertainment is eighteenth century literature."

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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Phluck]
    #2062609 - 11/01/03 02:05 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Some people eat Big Macs because they taste good...
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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2062619 - 11/01/03 02:11 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Big Macs are amazing, television is awesome. Revel in the glory of modern life.

Rebel against meaningless rebellion.

I don't have a moral problem with airwave piracy or vandalizing a McDonald's, but I also enjoy the glories of NBC's thursday night line-up or a SuperSized Combo #4.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Phluck]
    #2062627 - 11/01/03 02:17 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I usually tend to stay away from television, it is mostly a waste of time. But there is a big collection of The Simpsons and Futurama stored on our computer system, and I usually watch Superman and The Fresh Prince of Belair during the day...

Superman is the fucking shit. Full respect to Supe.
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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2062666 - 11/01/03 02:37 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

The answer is elusive. I don't think the answer is to stop eating big macs. In the absence of an answer I say we should just fall back on the "Flood the world with LSD, and let everything work itself out." philosophy.....again.(and again?)


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #2062687 - 11/01/03 02:52 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I think TV is all good as long as you dont watch too much, and as long as you watch specific shows instead of just seein "whatever's on"... 99% of TV is utter crap.

Oh yeah, and prime time network TV blows. Its full of subtle propaganda. I remember about a year ago, everyone in TV sitcoms was getting married. Now, they're all having kids. (Think about it)

But... the Simpsons rock, And there's some good reruns on cable... That 70s show is alright, and you can learn a lot from the History and Discovery Channels. MTV sucks but M2 is alright. Plus the cartoon channels because there are no saturday morning cartoons anymore.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #2062713 - 11/01/03 03:02 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, if everyone takes acid that will solve everything. :rolleyes:


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2062718 - 11/01/03 03:03 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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there are no saturday morning cartoons anymore.




:frown: *sniff* no one told me. I used to watch those. 


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Phluck]
    #2062727 - 11/01/03 03:06 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah, if everyone takes acid that will solve everything.




Won't solve everything, but..

1. It will make the unsolved shit much more fun.

2. Will lessen the need to "solve every-fucking-thing".

or, in other words..

Embracing "everything" can make "solutions" irrelevant.

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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #2062746 - 11/01/03 03:13 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think acid will make everyone embrace everything.

I know a lot of acid users who seem to hate everything about society.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Phluck]
    #2062769 - 11/01/03 03:24 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't think acid will make everyone embrace everything.




Why do you speak in the extremes? eg. "solve EVERYTHING" "make EVERYONE embrace everything"

You are right, there is little chance that LSD will make "EVERYONE" do anything, but for positive change to occur does not require it to. Further, (like the archetect dude in the matrix talks).. Flooding the world with LSD would create an "escalating probability" of more embracing.


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I know a lot of acid users who seem to hate everything about society.




The key words here are "about society". We are talking about everything here, meaning people, planet, mind, body, soul...everything. Not about "society" which is loosely interpereted as an irrelevant and temporary belief system forced upon the unaware and embraced by those with a stake in it.

I don't just speak vainly, I lived in a time doused in LSD, and compared with now, it was much better.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #2062787 - 11/01/03 03:34 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

"Flooding the world with LSD would create an "escalating probability" of more embracing."

It would? What are you basing this on?

"I don't just speak vainly, I lived in a time doused in LSD, and compared with now, it was much better. "

I know some coke addicts who say their lives were way better when they were partying it up and doing coke all the time. How is this different?


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #2062795 - 11/01/03 03:41 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

"Not about "society" which is loosely interpereted as an irrelevant and temporary belief system forced upon the unaware and embraced by those with a stake in it."

Society is not a belief system.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Phluck]
    #2062839 - 11/01/03 04:13 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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"Flooding the world with LSD would create an "escalating probability" of more embracing."

It would? What are you basing this on?




Personal experience, observation, and Grateful Dead shows. There are many, many more people hugging at shows and festivals where LSD is served, than at say ... a McDonald's convention, where no LSD is served.

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"I don't just speak vainly, I lived in a time doused in LSD, and compared with now, it was much better. "

I know some coke addicts who say their lives were way better when they were partying it up and doing coke all the time. How is this different?




Maybe fundamentally it isn't different, after all life is an objective experience. But I'm talking about LSD, not cocaine, and in times of greater LSD availability, there was more fun, and a greater sense of freedom in the air. More choices seemed to exist, people having fun, less afraid, more outgoing, doing things, going places. The common denominator was always LSD. It will be argued that all of these things would have happened even without the LSD, but I disagree, because LSD is such a powerful catalyst for making self exploration easier. Therefore the reasonable person would conclude that these experiences were at least made almost infinately more likely to occur because of the LSD.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Phluck]
    #2062848 - 11/01/03 04:17 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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"Not about "society" which is loosely interpereted as an irrelevant and temporary belief system forced upon the unaware and embraced by those with a stake in it."

Society is not a belief system.




Then what is it? Define society. People are people, what makes a people a "society" if it is not an establishment belief system?


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #2062898 - 11/01/03 04:45 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I was watching TV once and i stared at the right upper corner attempting to read what was in the sunshine image, it then brought me to focus on the guy on the right, then his eyes made me focus on the guy on the left, then the guy on the left made me focus on the guy on the rights crotch and the guy on the right did the whole wrestling move, 'suck it!'... It's not meant for people who don't understand english. Fucked up if you ask me. Like they encoded it so only those who understand it can watch it, and those who don't understand it... will be get angry at it.

Edit - If you like TV, don't try and understand what I posted... If you know what I'm talking about let me know.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Droz]
    #2062917 - 11/01/03 04:57 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Like they encoded it so only those who understand it can watch it, and those who don't understand it... will be get angry at it.




Intriguing, I just wished I knew what the hell you are talking about.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Phluck]
    #2062940 - 11/01/03 05:11 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Reading a book entails constant comprehension of a complex code. It makes you think about what you are computing, and forces you to use imagination to help comprehend the code in your own unique fashion.

Television bombards you with images and sound, and you don't think or imagine anything. Your mind is indoctrinated with visuals; you are being programmed to think a certain way. Basically, television creates a false world, and if you're not careful, you may become more of that world then of your own objective reality.

Timothy Leary said that we are becoming a mass consciousness due to media. Meaning we are thinking more alike by the information that we receive on a daily basis. That could be a good thing, but not with current state of affairs. How many television programs are telling you to question things, question authority, get out and think? It's mostly violence, sex and stale comedy. Which leads to a sex craven, aggresive, stale and passive mass population.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #2062949 - 11/01/03 05:15 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

"Personal experience, observation, and Grateful Dead shows. There are many, many more people hugging at shows and festivals where LSD is served, than at say ... a McDonald's convention, where no LSD is served."

Maybe it's because the type of people who go around hugging one another are more likely to enjoy LSD than those who don't. There are punk scenes, for instance, where LSD is popular and such behaviour is not.

"Therefore the reasonable person would conclude that these experiences were at least made almost infinately more likely to occur because of the LSD."

There have been many people who have had periods in their life when they were surrounded by loving and like minded people, and have had tons of fun. Some groups used LSD, some were drug free, some were cokeheads, some were heavy drinkers. When you look at the big picture, it seems that the drugs you are using are just incidental.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #2062955 - 11/01/03 05:16 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

"Then what is it? Define society. People are people, what makes a people a "society" if it is not an establishment belief system? "

Society is a group of people, their culture, their ideas, art, music, and beliefs. Members of western society (yes, this includes all of the hippies, they're just as normal as born again Christians), hold many, many different beliefs.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Droz]
    #2062958 - 11/01/03 05:18 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

"Edit - If you like TV, don't try and understand what I posted... If you know what I'm talking about let me know. "

Our opinions only matter to you if we agree with you? That's pretty fucked up, dude.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Droz]
    #2062961 - 11/01/03 05:20 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

"It's not meant for people who don't understand english. Fucked up if you ask me."

They could make television that was all mimed out, then everyone would understand it.

They certainly couldn't broadcast in every single language.

Your post was discriminatory because only people who read english could understand it. And even then it's a little bit iffy.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: start25]
    #2062978 - 11/01/03 05:31 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

"Television bombards you with images and sound, and you don't think or imagine anything."

That's bullshit. Sure less is left to the imagination when television or film is the medium, but this doesn't mean that important information cannot be tranferred, or that the viewer cannot think critically of it.

"Basically, television creates a false world, and if you're not careful, you may become more of that world then of your own objective reality."

So does any kind of fiction.

"It's mostly violence, sex and stale comedy. Which leads to a sex craven, aggresive, stale and passive mass population."

Human beings are violent and sexual. Do you think that the sex and violence are put on TV because it's some kind of massive mind control conspiracy, or is it maybe because deep down it appeals to everyone?

There is good TV and bad TV, just like there are good books and bad books. People seem to think that television is making the public stupider, but this is not the case at all. People have been getting progressively more intelligent and more informed as a whole over the past century.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Phluck]
    #2062995 - 11/01/03 05:37 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

People have been getting progressively more intelligent and more informed as a whole over the past century.

Based on what?

There is TV and there is opinion.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Droz]
    #2063000 - 11/01/03 05:40 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Well, the average IQ has most certainly been climbing steadily. Acceptance of other races and cultures has become the norm, if you give me a few days I could probably find a handful of studies to back this up.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Droz]
    #2063004 - 11/01/03 05:43 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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There is TV and there is opinion.
 




It would have been cooler if you said opium...  :frown:
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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2063007 - 11/01/03 05:43 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

hehe, yeah.

I wasn't really sure what the heck he meant by that. I don't see how TV and opinions are at odds.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Phluck]
    #2063023 - 11/01/03 05:51 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Television is a mental interface currently used to bend the viewer to a fictional world designed by the brainwashers. Why do they put laughter in sitcoms? Because laughter implies agreement. They tell you when to laugh, and when to cry, therefore they are giving you your opinion. (That's just my opinion, and I didn't see it on TV.)(heh)


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Phluck]
    #2063026 - 11/01/03 05:52 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

"That's bullshit. Sure less is left to the imagination when television or film is the medium, but this doesn't mean that important information cannot be tranferred, or that the viewer cannot think critically of it."

Are you kidding? I mean really... You're telling me that when you watch Great Expectations you are imagining the scenes, the images, the deliverance of the dialogue almost as much as when you read it. You sit there like a zombie, you're mind doesn't have to figure out or decipher anything, you're given everything, that's why it's an escape- Your mind is not at work and is not exercised.

We're not talking about transferring information, I guess you didn't read my entire post because I specifically said that television could be used for good.

"Human beings are violent and sexual. Do you think that the sex and violence are put on TV because it's some kind of massive mind control conspiracy, or is it maybe because deep down it appeals to everyone?"

Yes, in fact I do think it's being used to "dumb as down" and bring out our animal aggressions and appetites, and it starts from childhood when most parents want to occupy their children.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: start25]
    #2063048 - 11/01/03 05:59 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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"Human beings are violent and sexual. Do you think that the sex and violence are put on TV because it's some kind of massive mind control conspiracy, or is it maybe because deep down it appeals to everyone?"

Yes, in fact I do think it's being used to "dumb as down" and bring out our animal aggressions and appetites, and it starts from childhood when most parents want to occupy their children.





There IS a massive mind control conspiracy. My guess is that the sex and violence on TV is to help provide some extra "criminals", which will further help justify the need for law enforcement, and ultimately, the need for a government period.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: start25]
    #2063162 - 11/01/03 06:44 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

"You're telling me that when you watch Great Expectations you are imagining the scenes, the images, the deliverance of the dialogue almost as much as when you read it."

Dude, whose post are you reading? I never said anything even remotely like that. It's pretty easy to argue against someone when you twist their words around so they come out nonsensical.

"You sit there like a zombie, you're mind doesn't have to figure out or decipher anything, you're given everything, that's why it's an escape- Your mind is not at work and is not exercised."

You could say the same thing about a novel, the only difference being that you have to imagine what is happening in your head. You're still being fed a straight forward story, and a novel is still often considered an "escape". There are good television shows, and good movies that challenge the viewers and force them to think. There is lots of crap as well, but television is not an inferior medium to the written word, it is just different.

"Yes, in fact I do think it's being used to "dumb as down" and bring out our animal aggressions and appetites, and it starts from childhood when most parents want to occupy their children. "

Okay, you think that, but do you have any sort of data for backing that up? Studies that show children who watch more television think less critically or have stronger sexual urges? If not, you're talking out of your ass.

Violence and sexuality are a theme that has been in every bit of art and culture since the beginning of time. Believe it or not, people were fucking and fighting even before they became human beings. So what could you possibly be basing the idea that it's all televisions fault on?


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #2063253 - 11/01/03 07:26 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Of course their is a massiv mind control consipracy, its called the media and consumerism. Why? Cause thats what keeps people employed! It keeps the system running. If people were intelligent enoug hto make decisions on their own, and had enough responsibility to take care of their own actions, they would do something about it. How many people have you met and honestly think that they care about the prorgression of the world deep down inside? Not many. People want to be told what to do, people want to be told what to feel. Its control, its mainting balance. And the reason the way it is is because of our "social evolution", these are the things that have come because of how our global population has adjusted to the changes that have come to face it. I dont know thats just how i see it, we need a controlling government because the people it controls cant control themselves.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2063314 - 11/01/03 07:50 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

"Of course their is a massiv mind control consipracy, its called the media and consumerism. Why? Cause thats what keeps people employed!"

That doesn't make any sense at all. It's not a massive mind control conspiracy, it's just people trying to sell crap so that they can get cooler cars and better food.

The real world is absolutely nothing like the X-Files.

You're right though, everyone is dumb.

People are not stupid because they watch television, television is stupid because it is made by people.

Most books are stupid. Most music is stupid. Most of the posts on this bulletin board are really stupid.

You're stupid, I'm stupid. We all love mindless crap, we can't get enough of it. You can either quit complaining and pretending that you're smarter than everyone because you figured out that sitcoms are dumb (Wow! What a brilliant revelation!), or you can try to change the world by making stuff that isn't dumb.


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    #2063366 - 11/01/03 08:06 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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If people were intelligent enoug hto make decisions on their own, and had enough responsibility to take care of their own actions, they would do something about it.




It has nothing to do with intelligence my friend. It has to do with several factors. First, there are a lot of people who do not know they are brainwashed, this is also part of the brainwashing itself. Therefore, these people do nothing about it. Next are those who know there is brainwashing going on, but who are comfortable in their lives, and who do not believe this brainwashing is affecting them. These people also do nothing about it. Then there are those who do not like the bullshit, but feel UNABLE to do anything about it, because they feel like they are the only ones who feel as they do about it. They do nothing too. Last, there are those who try to do something about it, and their numbers are so few that they are branded as "insane" or "criminal" and locked away.

BerZerKer!!! We do not NEED a controlling government, we simply HAVE a controlling government. That we "need" a government, is what the brainfucking is ALLLLLL ABOUT!!!

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People want to be told what to do, people want to be told what to feel.




BS my man, many people want control, THEY JUST CAN'T GET IT!!! It's nothing but a power conspiracy. In the USA, the state of things are the same way that the first Americans booked over here from England to avoid. Come on 2012 whatever the fuck it is hurry up and arrive!


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Phluck]
    #2063564 - 11/01/03 09:06 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

“Dude, whose post are you reading? I never said anything even remotely like that. It's pretty easy to argue against someone when you twist their words around so they come out nonsensical.”

First of all, I did not twist anything around; you essentially said that there is not much difference between reading a book and watching television or a movie. And you have twisted my posts around now twice- first inferring that I did not mention the potential good of television, then insinuating that I blame all the problems of society on television in your last paragraph.

“You could say the same thing about a novel, the only difference being that you have to imagine what is happening in your head. You're still being fed a straight forward story, and a novel is still often considered an "escape". There are good television shows, and good movies that challenge the viewers and force them to think. There is lots of crap as well, but television is not an inferior medium to the written word, it is just different.”

It is not the same. How can you compare formulating a world in your head, and active engagement in deciphering language, to a box flashing pictures at you? I agree with you that there are some worthwhile programs and movies, and I am not being pretentious here damning television because it is not “hip.” I am simply stating that the mind is forced to grow by taking an author’s words and weaving them into their own visions. That takes work, you may not believe so, and there may not be any scientific study measuring the activity of the brain while reading a book verses watching a box flash an image at you, but from my own personal experience, I have come to believe that it undermines the ability to imagine and think. Obviously, you do not believe this.

Okay, you think that, but do you have any sort of data for backing that up? Studies that show children who watch more television think less critically or have stronger sexual urges? If not, you're talking out of your ass.

Well, honestly, I searched for some scientific studies and could not find any from sources that you would find trustworthy and completely valid. However, if you want me to post some of the sources I did find I will, but they are mostly off conspiracy/alternative web sites. Maybe someone can help me out here and knows some.

“Violence and sexuality are a theme that has been in every bit of art and culture since the beginning of time. Believe it or not, people were fucking and fighting even before they became human beings. So what could you possibly be basing the idea that it's all televisions fault on?”

It has already been proven that children/people in general exposed to violence in the media has harmful effects- reduced sensitivity, more likely to act aggressive, and more problems coping with anger or emotions. It’s also already been proven that pornography and images of women being demeaned significantly changes the perspective of men toward women- their objectification leads men to crave more sex, and also leads them to believe that this is what women “really want.”

I am not saying censor the media, and I am not saying that watching a little sex and violence on television, with proper guidance in your childhood, is going to trigger the breakdown of the country. I think there comes a point when you must ask yourself why television is polluted with so much crap. Not just sex and violence, but a hollow media failing to report anything remotely incriminating towards the “superstructure.” I think it is because the heads of media want us stupid so we can mold to an overbearing state. There are countless books out citing the false fear the media likes to stir up in the masses, so after considering all this, is it so far fetched that media, especially television programming, may be designed to keep us diverted and dim. Really, just uses a little common sense here, won’t you even concede that this is a possibility?

“Believe it or not, people were fucking and fighting even before they became human beings”

That is true, like I said before, I never blamed television for all the problems in society, but maybe it is time for us to grow out of these cycles, and pandering sex and violence to youth (which unfortunately is happening) is not the way to start changing. Maybe I just feel this way because I am a wuss and I do not get offers for sex, but maybe not.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Phluck]
    #2064079 - 11/02/03 02:16 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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That doesn't make any sense at all. It's not a massive mind control conspiracy, it's just people trying to sell crap so that they can get cooler cars and better food. 




lol i know! i was kidding :smile: .

I agree and thats what i said. people make television and its contents are absurd cause the ideas people put into it are for the most part rrather absurd.



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    #2064084 - 11/02/03 02:23 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Conspiracy!! Conspiracy!! :lol:


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    #2064100 - 11/02/03 02:37 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

The reason for me saying 
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People want to be told what to do, people want to be told what to feel.





is because people have learned how to be helpless. And in my own personal defintion and "beliefs" about "intelligence" is the ability to push through and critically analyze what goes on around you.

Maybe you word it as a conspiracy problem.... regardless, i agree, people are looking for means of control, its natural, animals do it, its what keeps them alive. But with the evolution of our society, I would think that if enough people had enough education and experiences and people to raise them and guide them in the "right" direction, we wouldnt be worrying about these issues. People would know to filter what they here, and gain an objective view point of it before commiting themselves fully to it. Why do people believe that they have to get a job to get a car, to drive to work, to drive to the store, to eat, to get up and go back to work and do the same thing again? First of all its a part of progress, but away from its pure function, its what people use to gain control over their life. Because in todays world, if you dont do that, you are "out of the loop".

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BerZerKer!!! We do not NEED a controlling government, we simply HAVE a controlling government. That we "need" a government, is what the brainfucking is ALLLLLL ABOUT!!!




I agree!  :oogle:  Can i stop telling you i agree? Cool. Im sorry if i seem a little "distorted". Anyway... What i was trying to say is that people believe they need a controlling environment, they have been "dumbed" down, "fizzled" out... whatever you want to call it. its like kind of in Brave New World, where everything doesnt seem to hold any real value, and its rather cold and sterile and produced, and because things function so well, and because the citizens have been led to let things be done for them, they stop caring about things, hence they become lazy, and un intelligent. They surrender to ignorance as an easy means of dealing with the "system" or more properly defined our Society, Whatever anyone wants to call the world we live in today. There are so many problems, so many issues that face us at every moment, if we were to think about how much they affect us it sends us into depression. So hence people are stuck to what i call a dualistic existence. On one hand they are faced with coming to grips with the troubles of their trivial lives so they can sustain some sort of life, and on the other hand they have to deal with the emotional/psychological issues associated with these Problems. What better way to reach out to millions upon millions of people and feed them an "opiate" to help them relax? I cant say for myself that someoone has purposely done this for some sort of evil against the human race, or the Christians or the Jews, i dont have a clue, thats way to speculative. I just see it as a production of things.... These are the things people have created for themselves! because these problems are so immense to deal with, people find it hard to even begin to come to grips with these issues and hence solve these problems. We are in what it would seem a global slump, if it were prosperous and healthy do you think we would be worrying so much about how we hate our jobs, or how much we hate the ignorance we see everyday and who has to suffer? No, we wouldnt. Because we would be outside, enjoying the life we have, the people we have around us and the earth given to us, isntead of polluting it, and living in harmony. But that is a very far off place and some people never think we will get there. Who is to say we cant come to grips in our own life? I dont know the answer to that question. Only the individual can ask his/her self what is best for them. aAfter all we are all individuals and we have our individual Rights. Whether people will decide that they need to work together and prosper through using intelligence, and a proper way of working with others and the natural environment is something that will take time. People are after all like you said still stuck into thinking that the simpsons is the best thing, and its going to be on in another 24 hours. Until people are freed from that they wont understand what it means to think about uniting with other people, or solving real world issues. Am i guilty of being trivial, being lazy, being ignorant, being selfish, being elitist at times, being an asshole, being perverted, being sinister, yes, i would be lying if i said that i had not done those things, or that i am not capable of them. But i try to make the best decisions i can, and i care about understanding things, and trying to Do something Contstructive to build a "difference" to the world we have now. 


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    #2064171 - 11/02/03 03:30 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I agree too. Most people have atrophy of the brain. Perhaps if every physical need were not at peoples fingertips, people might use their brains more. The "system" has purchased a lot of souls, to get them out of the way of the plan for global mastery. The state of conciousness in these people is frightening. Take that "Matrix" movie, forget about the part about machines growing human beings in pods, and focus on the part about how a framework for thinking has been thrust upon us, and that shit is all too true. We might not be connected literally with cables and feeding tubes, but we are connected just the same. Thorough brainwashing, not simply by pre-selection of choice, but by framework itself. Not to say there isn't any pre-selection of choice going on, there is much. Just look at all the "choose this" and "choose that" advertising out there pertaining to drugs, lifestyle, and such. I can't wait for the "Get up and get out of bed" commercials to begin airing.  :lol: But, far more sinister, subtile, and less noticed, is the fact that an entire framework of thinking is being thrust upon us. Not just "what to think" anymore, but how, when, where and why to think as well. Example..how they always spout off with their "just say no to drugs" crap. As if we should all know WHY we should say no. When people realize that they do not know WHY they should do this, they just feel emberassed for not knowing. Especially when it is never mentioned WHY to not do drugs, these brainwash victims simply imagine themselves as idiots for not recognizing the obvious. Thus even further reinforcing their percieved need for guidance. Fact is that the drug crusaders hate when you question "why" should one abstain. This exposes the fundamental truth, that we have God given freedom of choice, (or free will), and there's not a fucking thing they can do about it. There are already "illegal thoughts". Don't believe me? Just try telling a judge or a cop about how much you enjoy drugs and see how they just laugh and tell you about how everyone is entitled to their own opinions.(read sarcasm). I believe that LSD will free minds from this bondage, and I therefore implore any of you who read this, and who are capable of it, to re-introduce massive quantities of LSD back into the world at cheaper than expensive prices. It's very much worth a continuing effort, as much has yet to be done. Thank you, and peace. 


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #2064379 - 11/02/03 07:24 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I still wish this was about opium instead... :frown:

Yeah, television has its advantages and its disadvantages. Its ups, its downs. This is how the Universe works. This applies to everything. An arguement starts on one side, the other side chimes in, and it goes back and forth. The one who really understands, he sees both points of view and sees how they both apply, and he stands in the middle.

But yeah. I wish this was about opium.
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    #2064574 - 11/02/03 11:21 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

your exclimation points are scrolling the fuck outta the screen...most of em can be removed
without losing any pissed off-ed-ness (or whatever the fuck you'd call that)

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    #2064596 - 11/02/03 11:40 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I Pm-ed him about it, he hasn't been back online yet.


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    #2064863 - 11/02/03 02:09 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

"How can you compare formulating a world in your head, and active engagement in deciphering language, to a box flashing pictures at you?"

In order to understand the fictional universe of a television show, your mind has to create a model of it inside, it has to recreate what it has been shown in order to process it. Saying you can't have in depth thought about television is like saying you can't ponder the room you're standing in.

"That takes work, you may not believe so, and there may not be any scientific study measuring the activity of the brain while reading a book verses watching a box flash an image at you, but from my own personal experience, I have come to believe that it undermines the ability to imagine and think."

This has absolutely nothing to do with beliefs, it's about evidence. There have actually been studies that show the brain uses more power while reading, but this doesn't mean that it is somehow better for you, or that television has a negative effect. Your brain isn't using much power while jogging, but that hardly means anything.

"It has already been proven that children/people in general exposed to violence in the media has harmful effects- reduced sensitivity, more likely to act aggressive, and more problems coping with anger or emotions."

Actually, here's my biggest problem with the media: they don't know how to do stories about scientific studies. Every average Joe thinks things like this have been proven, when there's really just a correlation being shown. All of the kids that I know in elementary school who were allowed to watch horror movies were the ones who smelled like pee and got four Snickers bars and a Fruit Rollup for lunch. Is it the fact that these kids are watching violent media that they are being violent, or is it the fact that they have bad parents who can't raise them properly and let them watch and eat whatever they want.
Also, if kids are being exposed to more and more violent imagery these days, why aren't more kids becoming violent criminals? This is just some more scare tactic bullshit that has been sold to you through the mainstream media.

"It's also already been proven that pornography and images of women being demeaned significantly changes the perspective of men toward women- their objectification leads men to crave more sex, and also leads them to believe that this is what women really want."

There's a lot of porn that demeans women out there, but not all of it, and I certainly haven't seen any porn on television. I'd like to see the study you're referring to, because I'm pretty sure you're just assuming it exists without looking it up. Men want to have sex with scantily clad women, that's why they put them on television.


"I think there comes a point when you must ask yourself why television is polluted with so much crap. Not just sex and violence, but a hollow media failing to report anything remotely incriminating towards the superstructure."

Actually, even major media outlets like CNN do make significant efforts to report both sides of the story, even if they don't do it in the best possible way. I'd say CNN is far less biased than any "alternative news" website out there, which will only report information that makes the government or big business look like evil slavemasters.

"There are countless books out citing the false fear the media likes to stir up in the masses, so after considering all this, is it so far fetched that media, especially television programming, may be designed to keep us diverted and dim. Really, just uses a little common sense here, won't you even concede that this is a possibility?"

That's an enormous leap in logic. The media stirs up fear because they get ratings for it, so they can sell you crap. They don't care if you're diverted and dim or not, just as long as you're giving them money. Hell, if you get smart enough, maybe they'll hire you so you can help them sell more crap.

"but maybe it is time for us to grow out of these cycles"

Well, first off, since television started, violence and crime has not been on the rise, no matter how much the media makes you think it is. The sexual revolution happened, people are learning that sex is not some evil thing we need to get away from, sex is wonderful, and we should be free to be open about it. Women are no longer men's posessions for them to fuck, hell, until the fifties most people didn't even know women could have orgasms. Women's lives have been improving in leaps and bounds since television came around, and while they're probably not directly related, you can't claim television is somehow holding them back.


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    #2065647 - 11/02/03 06:44 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

This is going to be my last post here because a) this is getting lame and b) we see things too differently to keep going back and forth like this. You seem to find everything innocuous, and therefore you construct your entire argument around whether or not your friends in elementary school exhibited any negative effects, and your own personal beliefs about childhood development and the human psyche. Then, ironically, you accuse me of fabricating studies, and using solely my own (what you insinuate are warped, silly, media-driven and outlandish) issues with television, while much of your argument is just the same. So, this will be it.

“In order to understand the fictional universe of a television show, your mind has to create a model of it inside, it has to recreate what it has been shown in order to process it. Saying you can't have in depth thought about television is like saying you can't ponder the room you're standing in.”

This argument is so silly, but anyways, here we go again, let’s see how you will reweave this one.

I don’t have to create an image of a room I stand in my mind consciously, because when I’m standing in it, it takes about a second for my mind to record it without thinking about it, it is just…there. When I see a setting or learn about a world on television, I’m presented with a picture of the world that my mind doesn’t think about at all, just records. I don’t have to construct anything, most of the time everything you need to understand the show or movie is presented for you, therefore you create absolutely nothing, and use absolutely zero brain power. You just wait for the next image to come around.

“This has absolutely nothing to do with beliefs, it's about evidence. There have actually been studies that show the brain uses more power while reading, but this doesn't mean that it is somehow better for you, or that television has a negative effect. Your brain isn't using much power while jogging, but that hardly means anything.”

Dude, you have been giving your own beliefs through this whole argument too, and you just strengthened my argument by supplementing it with a study, more then you can say for your own argument that Television is benign.

There is a difference when you are jogging versus sitting around watching television. First of all, I think a lot about everything while I’m walking, jogging or doing some solitary exercise- that’s why I love doing them, I clear me head of all the issues I’m dealing with or thinking. But in case you are one of the rare people that completely ignores all thought, you are still shutting your mind off and taking everything in, releasing endorphins, not filling it with 2 hours of images sitting on your ass stagnant- unless of course you are going to tell me that most people work out while watching television, and that you release just as many endorphins.

My own beliefs, sure, they are my own beliefs, just like yours are your own, and apparently just as strong as mine. I did an experiment on myself for 4 months. I did not watch any television (outside of movies I had to watch for class), and I found that I was able to concentrate for longer periods, and made breakthroughs in thought with deep meditative periods. Now while this is not any sanctioned study, while this is only one person revealing his or her own subjective situation with hundreds of variables, I still find that it is a prevalent contributor to my views on television and its negative effects. Again, I’m not claiming this single experiment alone proves television is bad, in fact, I never even said that television was inherently bad, I always said that its place in our society is bad for the mass population.

“Actually, here's my biggest problem with the media: they don't know how to do stories about scientific studies. Every average Joe thinks things like this have been proven, when there's really just a correlation being shown. All of the kids that I know in elementary school who were allowed to watch horror movies were the ones who smelled like pee and got four Snickers bars and a Fruit Rollup for lunch. Is it the fact that these kids are watching violent media that they are being violent, or is it the fact that they have bad parents who can't raise them properly and let them watch and eat whatever they want.
Also, if kids are being exposed to more and more violent imagery these days, why aren't more kids becoming violent criminals? This is just some more scare tactic bullshit that has been sold to you through the mainstream media.”

Oh please, don’t lecture me about media spin and the inflation of stories. Maybe if you read a psychology book you may have something to contribute to this issue, otherwise, as you love to accuse me of, you have provided no proof other than your observances of a few children in your own elementary school. There are countless studies that back up exactly what I said. And crime has risen since the advent of television and its descent in programming, maybe you are so desensitized to violence you yourself do not even notice the attitudes and actions of those around you and in your country. But you know what, I’m not even saying that television is the cause of the rise in violence, there are many other factors that are the cause, I’m really just trying to say that it makes for a worse off population, and does, albeit not in large numbers, cause more crime (with its current use).

Now since I’m dealing with someone that loves to spin their argument around and back to the start in five different ways, I’m just going to reiterate this again: television is not the root or cause of violent behavior nor is exposure to violence going to cause the mass population to turn into gun toting gangsters. However, it does affect the sensitivity to violence and its acceptance in our society. It can influence children regardless of whether or not their parents are their telling them what is right or wrong, and it IS sold to the youth of the country.

“There's a lot of porn that demeans women out there, but not all of it, and I certainly haven't seen any porn on television.”

Really, again, maybe you’re too desensitized. While they may not be showing a man stick his penis into the vagina, there is an incredible amount of sexually explicit material on television, often geared towards the teenage population, which rubs off on even younger children.

“I'd like to see the study you're referring to, because I'm pretty sure you're just assuming it exists without looking it up.”

This is common knowledge among people that have studied social psychology, not my fault you do not know it. Maybe you should do some research on your own without proclaiming superiority of argument just because you want to make me run out and search every facet of my argument that you do not “believe.”

“Men want to have sex with scantily clad women, that's why they put them on television.”

Really? I don’t. The chances that a show with scantily clad women is actually redeeming is low enough on its own, aside from the fact that it does not belong on an instrument that reaches so many people and youngsters. If I wanted to see the female body objectified, I think we are getting it enough from the Internet and cinemax. But that isn’t even my problem, if a woman wants to take money for showing her body, that is fine, I just don’t want it bombarded at children and the masses. Obviously, I have biological urges, but just because it’s “instinct” does not mean that it is right.

“Actually, even major media outlets like CNN do make significant efforts to report both sides of the story, even if they don't do it in the best possible way.”

You probably do not even understand what I was trying to say if this is your response. I’m not talking about exposing the public to different viewpoints- sounds like you’re still subscribing to the Dem/Rep game in which there is only two sides to everything. I’m talking about reporting real news that does not uphold the “superstructure.” You may think this society is great, free, and making progress, but others that bother looking to a place besides CNN for news now know the truth.

“I'd say CNN is far less biased than any "alternative news" website out there, which will only report information that makes the government or big business look like evil slavemasters.”

Uh, this is not at all the case. This statement actually makes me laugh. Do you think alternative news sources are only liberal, and only aimed at saving wilderness and ending the free market. I actually consider myself a republican, but I go through both news sources of liberal origin and conservative on my way to finding an opinion. Government is overbearing and turning us into dependent slaves, even though you’re happy with your donuts and SUV, others out there actually want to grow as a species in the name of true progress, not overbearing institutions controlling the flow of information.

“That's an enormous leap in logic. The media stirs up fear because they get ratings for it, so they can sell you crap. They don't care if you're diverted and dim or not, just as long as you're giving them money. Hell, if you get smart enough, maybe they'll hire you so you can help them sell more crap.”

I did not say this was the sole cause of my statement that the media wants to keep us dim and diverted, but it inflates stories to invoke fear. Maybe you “believe” that it is all harmless ploys for advertising, but I see patterns here. “Be afraid of this and that, you need the government and state to protect you and help you.” Or maybe you are intelligent enough to look beyond that fear? Well that’s good, but the rest of the masses are not ready.

“Well, first off, since television started, violence and crime has not been on the rise, no matter how much the media makes you think it is. The sexual revolution happened, people are learning that sex is not some evil thing we need to get away from, sex is wonderful, and we should be free to be open about it. Women are no longer men's posessions for them to fuck, hell, until the fifties most people didn't even know women could have orgasms. Women's lives have been improving in leaps and bounds since television came around, and while they're probably not directly related, you can't claim television is somehow holding them back.”

Uh, when did I say television is holding women back? Huh, when? I said that it’s time for us to grow out of cycles of instant physical gratification and anger. Sex can be a beautiful thing. It is not a beautiful thing when 15-year-old girls are on their way to the abortion clinic. When 13 year olds are walking around in hot pants to imitate Brittany Spears, or when teenagers are going in for STD tests. And while anybody can go out and have as much sex as they want, really I don’t care- fuck your brains out, the truth is that promoting sex as much as this is just leading to the detachment between sex and love, responsibility and commitment. I cannot believe you can sit there and say that television does not pander sex and violence to children, and that it isn’t changing the attitudes of children.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: start25]
    #2065760 - 11/02/03 07:38 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Well, since you've peppered your post with accusations of me "spinning" my arguments around without actually pointing out where I've done this, and then conveniently backed out of any need to stand behind what you've said by saying that this whole argument is too silly for you to be involved in, I'll keep my post short.

"I don't have to create an image of a room I stand in my mind consciously, because when I'm standing in it, it takes about a second for my mind to record it without thinking about it, it is just there. When I see a setting or learn about a world on television, I'm presented with a picture of the world that my mind doesn't think about at all, just records. I don't have to construct anything, most of the time everything you need to understand the show or movie is presented for you, therefore you create absolutely nothing, and use absolutely zero brain power. You just wait for the next image to come around. "

Well, I certainly don't have time to go into details about all of the different associations your brain has to make to understand the nature of the room you're in, but that is completely irrelevant anyways. The amount of brain power it takes to understand a television show may be less than the amount it takes to understand the written word, but this has nothing whatsoever to do with your ability to think critically about it.

"And crime has risen since the advent of television and its descent in programming, maybe you are so desensitized to violence you yourself do not even notice the attitudes and actions of those around you and in your country."

Evidence, please. Here, I did a quick internet search and found this: http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/4524A092E30E4486CA2569DE00256331

Hardly a great resource, but if you do the math it shows that the rates are pretty much the same at the start of the century as at the end of the century.

"Sex can be a beautiful thing. It is not a beautiful thing when 15-year-old girls are on their way to the abortion clinic. When 13 year olds are walking around in hot pants to imitate Brittany Spears, or when teenagers are going in for STD tests."

Well, perhaps you can explain to me then, why is it that the United States has the highest teen pregnancy rate in the first world, while Scandinavian countries with far more explicit sex being featured on television have some of the lowest?

Despite the old world attitudes, sex without love can be perfectly healthy, as long as it is practiced safely.

Does television use sex and violence to sell itself? Of course it does. Does it desenstize children to images of violence and sexuality? Probably. Is it causing them to have more sex or commit more crimes? Well, it doesn't appear to be.

"I said that it's time for us to grow out of cycles of instant physical gratification and anger."

Maybe it's time we grew out of eating and shitting as well.


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    #2066002 - 11/02/03 09:06 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Holy shit, I just meant to post a k00l quote by McKenna!  :shocked:

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    #2066015 - 11/02/03 09:09 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I better get more 5 shroom ratings for my extremely thought-provoking and stimulating posts..  :kiss: 


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    #2066738 - 11/03/03 02:02 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Instead you got a lot of people going off! Lucky for U! :smile2:


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    #2067279 - 11/03/03 07:01 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Well, perhaps you can explain to me then, why is it that the United States has the highest teen pregnancy rate in the first world, while Scandinavian countries with far more explicit sex being featured on television have some of the lowest?




God, how I love Norwegian television... once there was a Discovery channel program on about the scientific difficulties of making an unrestricting bra or something, and it started out with all these topless girls jogging in the woods... bouncing up and down, up.. and down... up.. and down.....

I'm also proud of how much Ali G gets to say the word fuck on his program! :grin:
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    #2067486 - 11/03/03 10:05 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

hehe

We've got cussin' and boobs on Canadian television. Americans only get it if they've got cable.


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    #2068179 - 11/03/03 04:29 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I know... it sucks! In germany they have soft porn on at nights... they have naked women in the tv ads. How nice is that? If only we could smoke pot and get away with it too... that would be great :smile:.


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    #5353878 - 03/01/06 05:13 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

hmmm i think the rampant sexual censorship on television contributes to our sexual delinquencies.

it's not that fun to beat off to a 15 second fake sex scene with NO NUDITY AT ALL that just isn't that explicit.... and you don't really want to beat off when you see all the sluts dressed skimpy, and don't get to see their goods...

all it does is make you really really want to have sex, because you see all these beautiful women, but they won't let you see them naked.... so then you go out and see all the girls dressing to conform to TV's slutty standards and you're like FINALLY SEX

so you go fuck them.

I mean. It's obvious TV and media make girls dress the way they do... and its obvious that its all about sex and dressing slutty.... but television never gives you RELEASE from sexual desire, it only builds sexual desire up to an intolerable level where you are never completely satisfied because you don't get to see that hardcore porn and shit.

it basically creates sex into being a forbidden fruit, which guarantees that society will have an extreme fixation and addiction to it.


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    #5357661 - 03/02/06 04:08 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Very good qoute :thumbup:


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    #5358305 - 03/02/06 06:49 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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God, television.... It reminds me of that one Futurama episode, where it says at the bottom in the beginning "For cheap laser eye surgery, sit as close to screen as possible."





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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Phluck]
    #5359568 - 03/02/06 11:15 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Television isn't so bad, but if you don't watch it you can act like you're smarter than everyone. As long as you're not stupid enough to roast yourself on a barbeque after watching Jackass you should be fine. Charles Dickens was a commercial author, writing for money, and I don't see anyone saying that his work lacks artistic merit.

Even those commercials for hairspray and hamburgers you see, those are the real art of today. The average person hates them all, and thinks they're all just mindless garbage, but the funny thing is, the average person thinks that they are ahead of the game in thinking this. They honestly believe everyone else out there is all "commercials are awesome!", but they're really all thinking exactly the same thing, and they're still eating Big Macs. Really though, commercials are changing the world.



"I didn't laugh at that because it was a reference to a television show, and I don't watch that garbage, it is intellectually bankrupt. My only source of entertainment is eighteenth century literature."

"No wonder you're so boring."




It's ironic, isn't it?

Each to his own medium. If you want to be a writer, you're not going to see the flow of words in television, just fast blurs of images designed to fit the miniscule attention span of the average American citizen.

If you want to be entertained and lose time, then television is perfect, but some people do this too often to be productive. You can only lose so much time before your brain starts to retrogress.

Commercials are effective, though I believe it's more that simple exposure to the product in a well-wrapped format creates more comfort with that product. Humans like the known and dislike the unknown, so even if your commercial is stupid as hell, like the vast majority of them out there, at least they're getting to know you. Same with politicians. Not that this isn't dragging the world into monopolized shit, but hey, those who complain are usually just the losers.


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