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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #2064100 - 11/02/03 02:37 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

The reason for me saying 
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People want to be told what to do, people want to be told what to feel.





is because people have learned how to be helpless. And in my own personal defintion and "beliefs" about "intelligence" is the ability to push through and critically analyze what goes on around you.

Maybe you word it as a conspiracy problem.... regardless, i agree, people are looking for means of control, its natural, animals do it, its what keeps them alive. But with the evolution of our society, I would think that if enough people had enough education and experiences and people to raise them and guide them in the "right" direction, we wouldnt be worrying about these issues. People would know to filter what they here, and gain an objective view point of it before commiting themselves fully to it. Why do people believe that they have to get a job to get a car, to drive to work, to drive to the store, to eat, to get up and go back to work and do the same thing again? First of all its a part of progress, but away from its pure function, its what people use to gain control over their life. Because in todays world, if you dont do that, you are "out of the loop".

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BerZerKer!!! We do not NEED a controlling government, we simply HAVE a controlling government. That we "need" a government, is what the brainfucking is ALLLLLL ABOUT!!!




I agree!  :oogle:  Can i stop telling you i agree? Cool. Im sorry if i seem a little "distorted". Anyway... What i was trying to say is that people believe they need a controlling environment, they have been "dumbed" down, "fizzled" out... whatever you want to call it. its like kind of in Brave New World, where everything doesnt seem to hold any real value, and its rather cold and sterile and produced, and because things function so well, and because the citizens have been led to let things be done for them, they stop caring about things, hence they become lazy, and un intelligent. They surrender to ignorance as an easy means of dealing with the "system" or more properly defined our Society, Whatever anyone wants to call the world we live in today. There are so many problems, so many issues that face us at every moment, if we were to think about how much they affect us it sends us into depression. So hence people are stuck to what i call a dualistic existence. On one hand they are faced with coming to grips with the troubles of their trivial lives so they can sustain some sort of life, and on the other hand they have to deal with the emotional/psychological issues associated with these Problems. What better way to reach out to millions upon millions of people and feed them an "opiate" to help them relax? I cant say for myself that someoone has purposely done this for some sort of evil against the human race, or the Christians or the Jews, i dont have a clue, thats way to speculative. I just see it as a production of things.... These are the things people have created for themselves! because these problems are so immense to deal with, people find it hard to even begin to come to grips with these issues and hence solve these problems. We are in what it would seem a global slump, if it were prosperous and healthy do you think we would be worrying so much about how we hate our jobs, or how much we hate the ignorance we see everyday and who has to suffer? No, we wouldnt. Because we would be outside, enjoying the life we have, the people we have around us and the earth given to us, isntead of polluting it, and living in harmony. But that is a very far off place and some people never think we will get there. Who is to say we cant come to grips in our own life? I dont know the answer to that question. Only the individual can ask his/her self what is best for them. aAfter all we are all individuals and we have our individual Rights. Whether people will decide that they need to work together and prosper through using intelligence, and a proper way of working with others and the natural environment is something that will take time. People are after all like you said still stuck into thinking that the simpsons is the best thing, and its going to be on in another 24 hours. Until people are freed from that they wont understand what it means to think about uniting with other people, or solving real world issues. Am i guilty of being trivial, being lazy, being ignorant, being selfish, being elitist at times, being an asshole, being perverted, being sinister, yes, i would be lying if i said that i had not done those things, or that i am not capable of them. But i try to make the best decisions i can, and i care about understanding things, and trying to Do something Contstructive to build a "difference" to the world we have now. 


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2064171 - 11/02/03 03:30 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I agree too. Most people have atrophy of the brain. Perhaps if every physical need were not at peoples fingertips, people might use their brains more. The "system" has purchased a lot of souls, to get them out of the way of the plan for global mastery. The state of conciousness in these people is frightening. Take that "Matrix" movie, forget about the part about machines growing human beings in pods, and focus on the part about how a framework for thinking has been thrust upon us, and that shit is all too true. We might not be connected literally with cables and feeding tubes, but we are connected just the same. Thorough brainwashing, not simply by pre-selection of choice, but by framework itself. Not to say there isn't any pre-selection of choice going on, there is much. Just look at all the "choose this" and "choose that" advertising out there pertaining to drugs, lifestyle, and such. I can't wait for the "Get up and get out of bed" commercials to begin airing.  :lol: But, far more sinister, subtile, and less noticed, is the fact that an entire framework of thinking is being thrust upon us. Not just "what to think" anymore, but how, when, where and why to think as well. Example..how they always spout off with their "just say no to drugs" crap. As if we should all know WHY we should say no. When people realize that they do not know WHY they should do this, they just feel emberassed for not knowing. Especially when it is never mentioned WHY to not do drugs, these brainwash victims simply imagine themselves as idiots for not recognizing the obvious. Thus even further reinforcing their percieved need for guidance. Fact is that the drug crusaders hate when you question "why" should one abstain. This exposes the fundamental truth, that we have God given freedom of choice, (or free will), and there's not a fucking thing they can do about it. There are already "illegal thoughts". Don't believe me? Just try telling a judge or a cop about how much you enjoy drugs and see how they just laugh and tell you about how everyone is entitled to their own opinions.(read sarcasm). I believe that LSD will free minds from this bondage, and I therefore implore any of you who read this, and who are capable of it, to re-introduce massive quantities of LSD back into the world at cheaper than expensive prices. It's very much worth a continuing effort, as much has yet to be done. Thank you, and peace. 


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #2064379 - 11/02/03 07:24 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I still wish this was about opium instead... :frown:

Yeah, television has its advantages and its disadvantages. Its ups, its downs. This is how the Universe works. This applies to everything. An arguement starts on one side, the other side chimes in, and it goes back and forth. The one who really understands, he sees both points of view and sees how they both apply, and he stands in the middle.

But yeah. I wish this was about opium.
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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2064574 - 11/02/03 11:21 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

your exclimation points are scrolling the fuck outta the screen...most of em can be removed
without losing any pissed off-ed-ness (or whatever the fuck you'd call that)

we have bold/italics tags for a reason...learn how to use em


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Mystical_Craven]
    #2064596 - 11/02/03 11:40 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I Pm-ed him about it, he hasn't been back online yet.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: start25]
    #2064863 - 11/02/03 02:09 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

"How can you compare formulating a world in your head, and active engagement in deciphering language, to a box flashing pictures at you?"

In order to understand the fictional universe of a television show, your mind has to create a model of it inside, it has to recreate what it has been shown in order to process it. Saying you can't have in depth thought about television is like saying you can't ponder the room you're standing in.

"That takes work, you may not believe so, and there may not be any scientific study measuring the activity of the brain while reading a book verses watching a box flash an image at you, but from my own personal experience, I have come to believe that it undermines the ability to imagine and think."

This has absolutely nothing to do with beliefs, it's about evidence. There have actually been studies that show the brain uses more power while reading, but this doesn't mean that it is somehow better for you, or that television has a negative effect. Your brain isn't using much power while jogging, but that hardly means anything.

"It has already been proven that children/people in general exposed to violence in the media has harmful effects- reduced sensitivity, more likely to act aggressive, and more problems coping with anger or emotions."

Actually, here's my biggest problem with the media: they don't know how to do stories about scientific studies. Every average Joe thinks things like this have been proven, when there's really just a correlation being shown. All of the kids that I know in elementary school who were allowed to watch horror movies were the ones who smelled like pee and got four Snickers bars and a Fruit Rollup for lunch. Is it the fact that these kids are watching violent media that they are being violent, or is it the fact that they have bad parents who can't raise them properly and let them watch and eat whatever they want.
Also, if kids are being exposed to more and more violent imagery these days, why aren't more kids becoming violent criminals? This is just some more scare tactic bullshit that has been sold to you through the mainstream media.

"It's also already been proven that pornography and images of women being demeaned significantly changes the perspective of men toward women- their objectification leads men to crave more sex, and also leads them to believe that this is what women really want."

There's a lot of porn that demeans women out there, but not all of it, and I certainly haven't seen any porn on television. I'd like to see the study you're referring to, because I'm pretty sure you're just assuming it exists without looking it up. Men want to have sex with scantily clad women, that's why they put them on television.


"I think there comes a point when you must ask yourself why television is polluted with so much crap. Not just sex and violence, but a hollow media failing to report anything remotely incriminating towards the superstructure."

Actually, even major media outlets like CNN do make significant efforts to report both sides of the story, even if they don't do it in the best possible way. I'd say CNN is far less biased than any "alternative news" website out there, which will only report information that makes the government or big business look like evil slavemasters.

"There are countless books out citing the false fear the media likes to stir up in the masses, so after considering all this, is it so far fetched that media, especially television programming, may be designed to keep us diverted and dim. Really, just uses a little common sense here, won't you even concede that this is a possibility?"

That's an enormous leap in logic. The media stirs up fear because they get ratings for it, so they can sell you crap. They don't care if you're diverted and dim or not, just as long as you're giving them money. Hell, if you get smart enough, maybe they'll hire you so you can help them sell more crap.

"but maybe it is time for us to grow out of these cycles"

Well, first off, since television started, violence and crime has not been on the rise, no matter how much the media makes you think it is. The sexual revolution happened, people are learning that sex is not some evil thing we need to get away from, sex is wonderful, and we should be free to be open about it. Women are no longer men's posessions for them to fuck, hell, until the fifties most people didn't even know women could have orgasms. Women's lives have been improving in leaps and bounds since television came around, and while they're probably not directly related, you can't claim television is somehow holding them back.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Phluck]
    #2065647 - 11/02/03 06:44 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

This is going to be my last post here because a) this is getting lame and b) we see things too differently to keep going back and forth like this. You seem to find everything innocuous, and therefore you construct your entire argument around whether or not your friends in elementary school exhibited any negative effects, and your own personal beliefs about childhood development and the human psyche. Then, ironically, you accuse me of fabricating studies, and using solely my own (what you insinuate are warped, silly, media-driven and outlandish) issues with television, while much of your argument is just the same. So, this will be it.

&#8220;In order to understand the fictional universe of a television show, your mind has to create a model of it inside, it has to recreate what it has been shown in order to process it. Saying you can't have in depth thought about television is like saying you can't ponder the room you're standing in.&#8221;

This argument is so silly, but anyways, here we go again, let&#8217;s see how you will reweave this one.

I don&#8217;t have to create an image of a room I stand in my mind consciously, because when I&#8217;m standing in it, it takes about a second for my mind to record it without thinking about it, it is just&#8230;there. When I see a setting or learn about a world on television, I&#8217;m presented with a picture of the world that my mind doesn&#8217;t think about at all, just records. I don&#8217;t have to construct anything, most of the time everything you need to understand the show or movie is presented for you, therefore you create absolutely nothing, and use absolutely zero brain power. You just wait for the next image to come around.

&#8220;This has absolutely nothing to do with beliefs, it's about evidence. There have actually been studies that show the brain uses more power while reading, but this doesn't mean that it is somehow better for you, or that television has a negative effect. Your brain isn't using much power while jogging, but that hardly means anything.&#8221;

Dude, you have been giving your own beliefs through this whole argument too, and you just strengthened my argument by supplementing it with a study, more then you can say for your own argument that Television is benign.

There is a difference when you are jogging versus sitting around watching television. First of all, I think a lot about everything while I&#8217;m walking, jogging or doing some solitary exercise- that&#8217;s why I love doing them, I clear me head of all the issues I&#8217;m dealing with or thinking. But in case you are one of the rare people that completely ignores all thought, you are still shutting your mind off and taking everything in, releasing endorphins, not filling it with 2 hours of images sitting on your ass stagnant- unless of course you are going to tell me that most people work out while watching television, and that you release just as many endorphins.

My own beliefs, sure, they are my own beliefs, just like yours are your own, and apparently just as strong as mine. I did an experiment on myself for 4 months. I did not watch any television (outside of movies I had to watch for class), and I found that I was able to concentrate for longer periods, and made breakthroughs in thought with deep meditative periods. Now while this is not any sanctioned study, while this is only one person revealing his or her own subjective situation with hundreds of variables, I still find that it is a prevalent contributor to my views on television and its negative effects. Again, I&#8217;m not claiming this single experiment alone proves television is bad, in fact, I never even said that television was inherently bad, I always said that its place in our society is bad for the mass population.

&#8220;Actually, here's my biggest problem with the media: they don't know how to do stories about scientific studies. Every average Joe thinks things like this have been proven, when there's really just a correlation being shown. All of the kids that I know in elementary school who were allowed to watch horror movies were the ones who smelled like pee and got four Snickers bars and a Fruit Rollup for lunch. Is it the fact that these kids are watching violent media that they are being violent, or is it the fact that they have bad parents who can't raise them properly and let them watch and eat whatever they want.
Also, if kids are being exposed to more and more violent imagery these days, why aren't more kids becoming violent criminals? This is just some more scare tactic bullshit that has been sold to you through the mainstream media.&#8221;

Oh please, don&#8217;t lecture me about media spin and the inflation of stories. Maybe if you read a psychology book you may have something to contribute to this issue, otherwise, as you love to accuse me of, you have provided no proof other than your observances of a few children in your own elementary school. There are countless studies that back up exactly what I said. And crime has risen since the advent of television and its descent in programming, maybe you are so desensitized to violence you yourself do not even notice the attitudes and actions of those around you and in your country. But you know what, I&#8217;m not even saying that television is the cause of the rise in violence, there are many other factors that are the cause, I&#8217;m really just trying to say that it makes for a worse off population, and does, albeit not in large numbers, cause more crime (with its current use).

Now since I&#8217;m dealing with someone that loves to spin their argument around and back to the start in five different ways, I&#8217;m just going to reiterate this again: television is not the root or cause of violent behavior nor is exposure to violence going to cause the mass population to turn into gun toting gangsters. However, it does affect the sensitivity to violence and its acceptance in our society. It can influence children regardless of whether or not their parents are their telling them what is right or wrong, and it IS sold to the youth of the country.

&#8220;There's a lot of porn that demeans women out there, but not all of it, and I certainly haven't seen any porn on television.&#8221;

Really, again, maybe you&#8217;re too desensitized. While they may not be showing a man stick his penis into the vagina, there is an incredible amount of sexually explicit material on television, often geared towards the teenage population, which rubs off on even younger children.

&#8220;I'd like to see the study you're referring to, because I'm pretty sure you're just assuming it exists without looking it up.&#8221;

This is common knowledge among people that have studied social psychology, not my fault you do not know it. Maybe you should do some research on your own without proclaiming superiority of argument just because you want to make me run out and search every facet of my argument that you do not &#8220;believe.&#8221;

&#8220;Men want to have sex with scantily clad women, that's why they put them on television.&#8221;

Really? I don&#8217;t. The chances that a show with scantily clad women is actually redeeming is low enough on its own, aside from the fact that it does not belong on an instrument that reaches so many people and youngsters. If I wanted to see the female body objectified, I think we are getting it enough from the Internet and cinemax. But that isn&#8217;t even my problem, if a woman wants to take money for showing her body, that is fine, I just don&#8217;t want it bombarded at children and the masses. Obviously, I have biological urges, but just because it&#8217;s &#8220;instinct&#8221; does not mean that it is right.

&#8220;Actually, even major media outlets like CNN do make significant efforts to report both sides of the story, even if they don't do it in the best possible way.&#8221;

You probably do not even understand what I was trying to say if this is your response. I&#8217;m not talking about exposing the public to different viewpoints- sounds like you&#8217;re still subscribing to the Dem/Rep game in which there is only two sides to everything. I&#8217;m talking about reporting real news that does not uphold the &#8220;superstructure.&#8221; You may think this society is great, free, and making progress, but others that bother looking to a place besides CNN for news now know the truth.

&#8220;I'd say CNN is far less biased than any "alternative news" website out there, which will only report information that makes the government or big business look like evil slavemasters.&#8221;

Uh, this is not at all the case. This statement actually makes me laugh. Do you think alternative news sources are only liberal, and only aimed at saving wilderness and ending the free market. I actually consider myself a republican, but I go through both news sources of liberal origin and conservative on my way to finding an opinion. Government is overbearing and turning us into dependent slaves, even though you&#8217;re happy with your donuts and SUV, others out there actually want to grow as a species in the name of true progress, not overbearing institutions controlling the flow of information.

&#8220;That's an enormous leap in logic. The media stirs up fear because they get ratings for it, so they can sell you crap. They don't care if you're diverted and dim or not, just as long as you're giving them money. Hell, if you get smart enough, maybe they'll hire you so you can help them sell more crap.&#8221;

I did not say this was the sole cause of my statement that the media wants to keep us dim and diverted, but it inflates stories to invoke fear. Maybe you &#8220;believe&#8221; that it is all harmless ploys for advertising, but I see patterns here. &#8220;Be afraid of this and that, you need the government and state to protect you and help you.&#8221; Or maybe you are intelligent enough to look beyond that fear? Well that&#8217;s good, but the rest of the masses are not ready.

&#8220;Well, first off, since television started, violence and crime has not been on the rise, no matter how much the media makes you think it is. The sexual revolution happened, people are learning that sex is not some evil thing we need to get away from, sex is wonderful, and we should be free to be open about it. Women are no longer men's posessions for them to fuck, hell, until the fifties most people didn't even know women could have orgasms. Women's lives have been improving in leaps and bounds since television came around, and while they're probably not directly related, you can't claim television is somehow holding them back.&#8221;

Uh, when did I say television is holding women back? Huh, when? I said that it&#8217;s time for us to grow out of cycles of instant physical gratification and anger. Sex can be a beautiful thing. It is not a beautiful thing when 15-year-old girls are on their way to the abortion clinic. When 13 year olds are walking around in hot pants to imitate Brittany Spears, or when teenagers are going in for STD tests. And while anybody can go out and have as much sex as they want, really I don&#8217;t care- fuck your brains out, the truth is that promoting sex as much as this is just leading to the detachment between sex and love, responsibility and commitment. I cannot believe you can sit there and say that television does not pander sex and violence to children, and that it isn&#8217;t changing the attitudes of children.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: start25]
    #2065760 - 11/02/03 07:38 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Well, since you've peppered your post with accusations of me "spinning" my arguments around without actually pointing out where I've done this, and then conveniently backed out of any need to stand behind what you've said by saying that this whole argument is too silly for you to be involved in, I'll keep my post short.

"I don't have to create an image of a room I stand in my mind consciously, because when I'm standing in it, it takes about a second for my mind to record it without thinking about it, it is just there. When I see a setting or learn about a world on television, I'm presented with a picture of the world that my mind doesn't think about at all, just records. I don't have to construct anything, most of the time everything you need to understand the show or movie is presented for you, therefore you create absolutely nothing, and use absolutely zero brain power. You just wait for the next image to come around. "

Well, I certainly don't have time to go into details about all of the different associations your brain has to make to understand the nature of the room you're in, but that is completely irrelevant anyways. The amount of brain power it takes to understand a television show may be less than the amount it takes to understand the written word, but this has nothing whatsoever to do with your ability to think critically about it.

"And crime has risen since the advent of television and its descent in programming, maybe you are so desensitized to violence you yourself do not even notice the attitudes and actions of those around you and in your country."

Evidence, please. Here, I did a quick internet search and found this: http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/4524A092E30E4486CA2569DE00256331

Hardly a great resource, but if you do the math it shows that the rates are pretty much the same at the start of the century as at the end of the century.

"Sex can be a beautiful thing. It is not a beautiful thing when 15-year-old girls are on their way to the abortion clinic. When 13 year olds are walking around in hot pants to imitate Brittany Spears, or when teenagers are going in for STD tests."

Well, perhaps you can explain to me then, why is it that the United States has the highest teen pregnancy rate in the first world, while Scandinavian countries with far more explicit sex being featured on television have some of the lowest?

Despite the old world attitudes, sex without love can be perfectly healthy, as long as it is practiced safely.

Does television use sex and violence to sell itself? Of course it does. Does it desenstize children to images of violence and sexuality? Probably. Is it causing them to have more sex or commit more crimes? Well, it doesn't appear to be.

"I said that it's time for us to grow out of cycles of instant physical gratification and anger."

Maybe it's time we grew out of eating and shitting as well.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Phluck]
    #2066002 - 11/02/03 09:06 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Holy shit, I just meant to post a k00l quote by McKenna!  :shocked:

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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Adamist]
    #2066015 - 11/02/03 09:09 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I better get more 5 shroom ratings for my extremely thought-provoking and stimulating posts..  :kiss: 


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Adamist]
    #2066738 - 11/03/03 02:02 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Instead you got a lot of people going off! Lucky for U! :smile2:


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Phluck]
    #2067279 - 11/03/03 07:01 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Well, perhaps you can explain to me then, why is it that the United States has the highest teen pregnancy rate in the first world, while Scandinavian countries with far more explicit sex being featured on television have some of the lowest?




God, how I love Norwegian television... once there was a Discovery channel program on about the scientific difficulties of making an unrestricting bra or something, and it started out with all these topless girls jogging in the woods... bouncing up and down, up.. and down... up.. and down.....

I'm also proud of how much Ali G gets to say the word fuck on his program! :grin:
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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2067486 - 11/03/03 10:05 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

hehe

We've got cussin' and boobs on Canadian television. Americans only get it if they've got cable.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Phluck]
    #2068179 - 11/03/03 04:29 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I know... it sucks! In germany they have soft porn on at nights... they have naked women in the tv ads. How nice is that? If only we could smoke pot and get away with it too... that would be great :smile:.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Zero7a1]
    #5353878 - 03/01/06 05:13 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

hmmm i think the rampant sexual censorship on television contributes to our sexual delinquencies.

it's not that fun to beat off to a 15 second fake sex scene with NO NUDITY AT ALL that just isn't that explicit.... and you don't really want to beat off when you see all the sluts dressed skimpy, and don't get to see their goods...

all it does is make you really really want to have sex, because you see all these beautiful women, but they won't let you see them naked.... so then you go out and see all the girls dressing to conform to TV's slutty standards and you're like FINALLY SEX

so you go fuck them.

I mean. It's obvious TV and media make girls dress the way they do... and its obvious that its all about sex and dressing slutty.... but television never gives you RELEASE from sexual desire, it only builds sexual desire up to an intolerable level where you are never completely satisfied because you don't get to see that hardcore porn and shit.

it basically creates sex into being a forbidden fruit, which guarantees that society will have an extreme fixation and addiction to it.


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Adamist]
    #5357661 - 03/02/06 04:08 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Very good qoute :thumbup:


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5358305 - 03/02/06 06:49 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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God, television.... It reminds me of that one Futurama episode, where it says at the bottom in the beginning "For cheap laser eye surgery, sit as close to screen as possible."





Silly that a tv show is quoted when mocking the device, but very true


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Re: Tell-a-vision Programming! [Re: Phluck]
    #5359568 - 03/02/06 11:15 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Television isn't so bad, but if you don't watch it you can act like you're smarter than everyone. As long as you're not stupid enough to roast yourself on a barbeque after watching Jackass you should be fine. Charles Dickens was a commercial author, writing for money, and I don't see anyone saying that his work lacks artistic merit.

Even those commercials for hairspray and hamburgers you see, those are the real art of today. The average person hates them all, and thinks they're all just mindless garbage, but the funny thing is, the average person thinks that they are ahead of the game in thinking this. They honestly believe everyone else out there is all "commercials are awesome!", but they're really all thinking exactly the same thing, and they're still eating Big Macs. Really though, commercials are changing the world.



"I didn't laugh at that because it was a reference to a television show, and I don't watch that garbage, it is intellectually bankrupt. My only source of entertainment is eighteenth century literature."

"No wonder you're so boring."




It's ironic, isn't it?

Each to his own medium. If you want to be a writer, you're not going to see the flow of words in television, just fast blurs of images designed to fit the miniscule attention span of the average American citizen.

If you want to be entertained and lose time, then television is perfect, but some people do this too often to be productive. You can only lose so much time before your brain starts to retrogress.

Commercials are effective, though I believe it's more that simple exposure to the product in a well-wrapped format creates more comfort with that product. Humans like the known and dislike the unknown, so even if your commercial is stupid as hell, like the vast majority of them out there, at least they're getting to know you. Same with politicians. Not that this isn't dragging the world into monopolized shit, but hey, those who complain are usually just the losers.


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